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Disagree. Starr << Staubach or Unitas.
That is exactly what I said.
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The point I was making, poorly perhaps (and further, I am certainly not defending Simms' list and have my own augmentations to it) is as follows.
There are two general flavors (IMHO, maybe even more) of what the "Who is the best QBs Ever" type conversation gets at for some people.
Someone could take the physical side of the equation as the more prominent side of it; namely things like big arm, accuracy, mobility etc in a "what attributes build the best QB". From that perspective, I don't think many would put TB very high.
The other side of the coin, which is where I think most people who invest a lot of time in this sport would argue from, is one must weigh things like winning/success, raising the performance of those around you, doing more with less and other less quantitative attributes, where TB shines above all others.
If I were building the "perfect QB" in a lab, there are probably no physical attributes of TB's that I would take to put into the recipe. I would take someone else's legs (Russell Wilson or LJax), someone else's arm (Pat Mahomes) , someone else's physical stature (Cam Newton) . Give me his mind, heart, fire and his "4 o'clock in the morning courage" however.
My point is probably laid out better using two other QBs on his list. Simms' ranks Terry Bradshaw above Roger Staubach; I'd place Roger over Terry, Simms presumably does so because of more titles.
Terry B to me is a modern day Eli Manning with a bit more Kobe Bryant killer instinct in him. Serviceable QB who can make some splash plays but how much of his success was because the Defense he had? Roger was Arod physically with balls to finish/comeback and leadership to boot.
I don't even have Rodgers in my top 5
Anyone that doesn't start with Brady, Manning, Marino and Montana in some kinda order is wacked.
As I’ve pointed out, Simms is an extreme idiot but still has the same general dumb “all-time” list as most people, including Florio, whereby they put a couple of pre-1980s QBs at around #s 9-10 to make it seem like they’ve actually researched it and it’s all-encompassing. Bradshaw over Staubach...lol
All these guys we are watching now, just wait in 20 years how they’ll get washed away as statistical fears keep rising. The lists will go like this:
Players 1-3
Brady
Montana
Best Player who played in 2020s-2030s
Players 4-8
All Players who played in the 2020s-2030s
Players 9-10
2 of Manning/Brees/Favre/Marino/Elway. The nod the “football history” showing they go way back to make these lists, while clearly knowing nothing about these QBs
Elway should be in the top 5. He dragged a bunch of bums to the postseason for years and when they finally got him a running game they got over the hump.I know it's not a popular opinion, but Elway should remain on the list.
Who was the best receiver Elway ever had? None stand out.
The one year Elway was hurt, the Broncos won four games. He completely carried that team until TD.
Elway was clutch and had no chance in the Super Bowls he lost. His team wasn't close to good enough.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but Elway should remain on the list.
Who was the best receiver Elway ever had? None stand out.
The one year Elway was hurt, the Broncos won four games. He completely carried that team until TD.
Elway was clutch and had no chance in the Super Bowls he lost. His team wasn't close to good enough.
Elway should be in the top 5. He dragged a bunch of bums to the postseason for years and when they finally got him a running game they got over the hump.
My top 5 would be:
Brady
Montana
Elway
Unitas
Staubach
Elway is an interesting case. Was generally considered the 3rd best QB of his generation behind Montana and Marino. Did not put up great stats but was known for coming up huge in big moments (not always accurate as evidenced by first 3 Super Bowl blowouts) Did not play with a ton of talent on offense until late in his career but most of the Super Bowl teams were strong defensively. He was a winner and had a ton of signature late game moments so I have him in my top 10 (but closer to the bottom than top)