Discussion in 'NFL Football Forum' started by sb1, Dec 18, 2019.
That is exactly what I said.
Please let us never forget this:
As I’ve pointed out, Simms is an extreme idiot but still has the same general dumb “all-time” list as most people, including Florio, whereby they put a couple of pre-1980s QBs at around #s 9-10 to make it seem like they’ve actually researched it and it’s all-encompassing. Bradshaw over Staubach...lol
All these guys we are watching now, just wait in 20 years how they’ll get washed away as statistical fears keep rising. The lists will go like this:
Best Player who played in 2020s-2030s
All Players who played in the 2020s-2030s
2 of Manning/Brees/Favre/Marino/Elway. The nod the “football history” showing they go way back to make these lists, while clearly knowing nothing about these QBs
You are just as ridiculous as Sims. LOL at Manning and Marino in your top 4, especially Marino.
Unitas and Staubach kicks their ass
I love Marino, but hes a fringe top 10 guy at best.
I feel like Marino gets more credit than deserved mainly because his career started on fire. He probably had the best first 5 years of any QB in history and was MVP in year 2 with a historic season. Problem with Marino is that he had peaked by age 26 and was never quite as dominant again. He was 8-10 in the post season and had few signature wins. Him and Montana were the Manning/Brady of their day for a while as Marino initially had the stats while Montana had the wins but once Marino's numbers started to deteriorate and Montana kept winning that argument ended for most. Great player, clearly a 1st ballot HOFer just does not deserve to be in discussions of best QBs ever in my opinion.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but Elway should remain on the list.
Who was the best receiver Elway ever had? None stand out.
The one year Elway was hurt, the Broncos won four games. He completely carried that team until TD.
Elway was clutch and had no chance in the Super Bowls he lost. His team wasn't close to good enough.
Elway should be in the top 5. He dragged a bunch of bums to the postseason for years and when they finally got him a running game they got over the hump.
My top 5 would be:
Sure...I had Elway on both lists. My last post was referring to the comical formula people use for all-time lists and the absurd recency bias. Elway seems to have a huge love/hate factor on these rankings, more so than any other QB.
Elway is an interesting case. Was generally considered the 3rd best QB of his generation behind Montana and Marino. Did not put up great stats but was known for coming up huge in big moments (not always accurate as evidenced by first 3 Super Bowl blowouts) Did not play with a ton of talent on offense until late in his career but most of the Super Bowl teams were strong defensively. He was a winner and had a ton of signature late game moments so I have him in my top 10 (but closer to the bottom than top)
Thats a more accurate list than most.
He doesnt get enough credit for dragging those 80s Broncos teams to the Super Bowl.
Brees and Marino are the most overrated quarterbacks of all time. Outside of this forum, I routinely see both of them in people’s top 5
I haven't updated my list in about 2 seasons. Here is my current on off the top of my head. It only includes QBs who played in the SB era as any time before that it is way too hard to talk about. The game was so different and little film survives.
The only changes i've made is with 2 more seasons I moved Brees and Rodgers up. This drop Elway and Peyton Manning a bit.
The only guys on my list I feel unsure about are Starr and Elway. I don't how if I should move them up or down or what. They just have certain issues that make it hard for me to pin them down compared to how i feel about the other guys. I could be talked into putting Elway over Rodgers. Being talked into putting him over Brees would be a little harder. The difference being Brees would do what he needed to win push come to shove. I don't think Rodgers feels that way. He wants to play his style and won't deviate from it. I don't see myself ever moving Rodgers higher unless he learns to be less selfish.
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