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And were massively helped out by the referees.. Not that it matters...
Without spoilers let me just say that a certain scene in the first act of the movie will either disturb you for days or you'll watch the entire movie thinking it is goofy. And I'd agree - some % of the movie is absolutely goofy but in a good way that hearkens back to another movie I won't mention for fear of spoiling it.

It's a polarizing movie - I won't lie - but people of a specific stripe seem to find the movie more unnerving than the rest and I can't say more without spoiling what I'm talking about.
 
Sounds like she must have reported this to the police. They must be examining this and hold AB accountable.

Oh wait, she never reported it since there's no case.

I know you're slow. But just because it hasn't been reported YET doesn't mean there is no case.

Seriously.

You post opinions that you claim are "expert" and they are anything but.

You claimed that Brown and Taylor signed NDAs, but have yet to provide a link to back it up.

You have ZERO idea what can be considered witness tampering, intimidation, or stalking. What you fail to acknowledge is that the woman's lawyer sent a letter to the league stating that the texts violated the league's Personal Conduct Policy. This was mentioned by @venecol
 
blah blah blah. Once they pay the salary, I can come back and bump this and say "I told you so".

Except there aren't paying any more salary than they already have. SMH..
 
No. Actually, you didn't link it previously in this thread. Maybe somewhere else, but not here. I went back and double-checked. The only post you have that linked a story was #716 that had a Yahoo link. And no where did it mention anything about a letter from the 2nd woman's lawyer thanking the league. Nor did it mention anything about the negotiations or what led up to Brown walking up to the 2nd woman with just a towel over his balls.

I'm sure everyone would like to see said article. Especially since those sorts of details didn't seem to make it into other reporter's reportings.. Just like no one seems to corroborate the NDA claims made by some..
I did link it in one of the 666 AB threads that is probably residing in the bowels of the mammoth mega thread.
 
I know you're slow. But just because it hasn't been reported YET doesn't mean there is no case.

Seriously.

You post opinions that you claim are "expert" and they are anything but.

You claimed that Brown and Taylor signed NDAs, but have yet to provide a link to back it up.

You have ZERO idea what can be considered witness tampering, intimidation, or stalking. What you fail to acknowledge is that the woman's lawyer sent a letter to the league stating that the texts violated the league's Personal Conduct Policy. This was mentioned by @venecol
Really gross, sloppy weather can be a bit of an equalizer, so that’s not great news, but I don’t think it will matter much either way.
 
Hey DaBruinz,

Since you are saying they told Brown not to text the girls, clearly you are referring to some kind of report you've seen and not just speculating (if you're speculating then it doesn't mean anything). Anyways, I will show you articles that came out telling him to stop after the last texting fiasco, no problem (9/20 - two days after - NFL told Antonio Brown to stop contacting second accuser). I have yet to see a single article or report showing that the NFL/Patriots told him to stop texting before this happened (if they did, why did this report come out after-the-fact at all? why wasn't the report that Brown violated a team agreement to stop texting anyone in his personal life?).

And I'm being genuine here - please show me where this was reported BEFORE the texts (the date of the article/report will confirm it) - I would LOVE to feel better about the decision to release him, that he did actually break a team/NFL rule about how to handle his private/out-of-court personal life, but I am not going to rewrite history to make myself feel better about the release.

Thanks in advance!

There is no report from BEFORE the texts were sent because that's not how reporting works. The Pats didn't know about the Civil Suit issue prior to Brown's signing. What makes you think that Brown told him about all the OTHER civil suits he had pending or the second accusation?

None of the articles say WHEN the Patriots or the League told Brown not to have contact with the 2nd accuser.

Could you cite an instance where the Patriots have given out detailed information about the handling of a player issue? They've never done that to my knowledge. Hell, just look at how they handled the Michael Bennett issue. It's in internal issue. He's suspended. We're on to the Jets..

Seriously, this is a management team that doesn't leave things to chance. Whether it's on the field or off the field. I can guarantee you that as soon as the SI article about Brown hit the internet on Monday that Belichick, Stacey James and the Pats Lawyer were getting Rosenhaus and Brown together for a meeting about it. I guarantee you that they told Brown he needed to be upfront with them regarding ALL the allegations mentioned in the article. I guarantee you that they told Brown and Rosenhaus that the issues needed to be addressed by Brown's attorney immediately and not by Brown since he has a propensity for yammering on social media.

If you want to assume it is speculation to assuage you conscience for supporting Brown, so be it.

Klemko, who wrote the original SI story, also broke the story about Brown's text messages on the 19th.

Exclusive: Accuser Says Antonio Brown Sent ‘Intimidating’ Text Messages

What we know is that Rosenhaus, the League, and the Patriots all received received a letter from the woman's lawyer on Thursday, the 19th, regarding the text messages. What we also know is that the League met with the Woman's lawyer Friday morning to assure her that things were being taken seriously and that they'd already talked to Rosenhaus and Brown.

NFL told Antonio Brown to stop contacting second accuser

Report: Patriots, NFL Have Told Antonio Brown To No Longer Contact Accuser

Antonio Brown Released From Patriots Amid Controversy

Antonio Brown accuser claims Patriots receiver sent 'intimidating' text messages
 
I did link it in one of the 666 AB threads that is probably residing in the bowels of the mammoth mega thread.

That's why I was specific to say "in this thread".

That being said, I did find where the artist's lawyer stated that Brown proceeded to have sex with another woman while the artist was painting. Do you know how big Brown's bedroom is? I don't.



I read the letter and I don't see how you get the following from it:

AB: "Patriots are paying me, they might as well play me"
"For Gods sakes, this painter kept on painting while AB was plowing some girl. After that is when he shows up with the small towel, in his room, probably thinking, well she was cool with me having sex in front of her."

No where in the letter does it say that the artist stayed in the room the entire time that Brown was having sex with another woman. No where does it say that it was after he was done with the one that he approached the artist with the cloth over his genitals.

What IS mentioned is that she's not doing this for money. That she's not trying to get the money he owes for the piece of art he bought at the auction. That she's not even trying to get the one piece of artwork back that Brown asked her to bring to his house. That she wants no monetary compensation because of his sexual assault.
 
Really gross, sloppy weather can be a bit of an equalizer, so that’s not great news, but I don’t think it will matter much either way.
I usually brush first, then floss, then finish it up with some Listerine. There are also times before bed where I’m super tired and I’ll just hit up the mouthwash without flossing. Just don’t say anything to my dentist. Also, I like the purple Listerine since it reminds me of “Barney.”
 
And were massively helped out by the referees.. Not that it matters...

.......aaaannndddd the score was 38-34. The offense wasn’t the problem in that loss!!!

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The Steelers and Raiders boards have AB threads too.

We have our work cut out for us before we catch up to Pittsburghs.
 
That's why I was specific to say "in this thread".

That being said, I did find where the artist's lawyer stated that Brown proceeded to have sex with another woman while the artist was painting. Do you know how big Brown's bedroom is? I don't.



I read the letter and I don't see how you get the following from it:

AB: "Patriots are paying me, they might as well play me"
"For Gods sakes, this painter kept on painting while AB was plowing some girl. After that is when he shows up with the small towel, in his room, probably thinking, well she was cool with me having sex in front of her."

No where in the letter does it say that the artist stayed in the room the entire time that Brown was having sex with another woman. No where does it say that it was after he was done with the one that he approached the artist with the cloth over his genitals.

What IS mentioned is that she's not doing this for money. That she's not trying to get the money he owes for the piece of art he bought at the auction. That she's not even trying to get the one piece of artwork back that Brown asked her to bring to his house. That she wants no monetary compensation because of his sexual assault.

To your question, I got that from tying together both SI stories, and the other article about the stories. In the initial story, the painter says in telling the towel story that she had "witnessed" AB with many women. Then we see the above incident being told by her own attorneys, which ties into what she previously said. From original SI story of 9-16:


She was only there for 2 days. She obviously witnessed AB having sex "before" the towel incident. There was no sexual assault, that is complete and utter nonsense. A man who she knew to be promiscuous and had sex in front of her, stands naked in his own bedroom covering his privates with a towel, is not sexual assault, when the man simply walks away after a brief conversation. She was only interested in having a business relationship with him and probably hoped to get more exposure from her work with him. I feel bad for the painter because she sounded like an interesting person that supported good causes. I doubt this story helps her career with other athletes.
 
AB's lack of self awareness certainly hasn't diminished...

 
AB's lack of self awareness certainly hasn't diminished...



He shouldn’t tweet it but he’s right. He is. That’s what NFL’s announcement to all teams after Patriots cut him has done.
 
He shouldn’t tweet it but he’s right. He is. That’s what NFL’s announcement to all teams after Patriots cut him has done.


No, he is not right. While it might be fair to say he has been effectively blacklisted it is incorrect to say he has been blackballed. The English department at CMU clearly has their work cut out for them.
 
There is no report from BEFORE the texts were sent because that's not how reporting works. The Pats didn't know about the Civil Suit issue prior to Brown's signing. What makes you think that Brown told him about all the OTHER civil suits he had pending or the second accusation?

Bottom line - Brown didn't have to say anything (and didn't think to say anything) about the painter, because there was NEVER any indication to him that there would ever even be an issue there. The civil/extortion suit (which was later dropped) is a completely different scenario to the painter's SI interview. With the extortion case he was dealing with that for a long time, so yes he knew about that, but in this case there was never any discussions with painter, ever, until the SI-smear job. It completely shocked him, it was piling-on, and made things worse when he was trying his hardest to be on the straight and narrow. Poor judgement on his part to send the group text with her included, no doubt, but it was not something that was in the pipeline for him to consider or even inform the Patriots about. He got emotional, and over-reacted.

None of the articles say WHEN the Patriots or the League told Brown not to have contact with the 2nd accuser.

Correct - NONE of the reports indicated that Brown was told to avoid texting anyone in his personal/out-of-court life, until after-the-fact.

Could you cite an instance where the Patriots have given out detailed information about the handling of a player issue? They've never done that to my knowledge. Hell, just look at how they handled the Michael Bennett issue. It's in internal issue. He's suspended. We're on to the Jets..

Sure, but in this case the NFL and Patriots told him in tandem. The NFL does not keep things as close-to-the-vest as the Patriots. At least you are admitting that this is all your opinion, so I hope in the future you will refrain stating that Brown did something they told him not to do - it's just not true, or at the very least, proven or even reported. You are free to your opinion, but should word it in a way that reflects it is only that.

Seriously, this is a management team that doesn't leave things to chance. Whether it's on the field or off the field. I can guarantee you that as soon as the SI article about Brown hit the internet on Monday that Belichick, Stacey James and the Pats Lawyer were getting Rosenhaus and Brown together for a meeting about it. I guarantee you that they told Brown he needed to be upfront with them regarding ALL the allegations mentioned in the article. I guarantee you that they told Brown and Rosenhaus that the issues needed to be addressed by Brown's attorney immediately and not by Brown since he has a propensity for yammering on social media.

You may or may not be correct that Belichick/James/Lawyer were getting a meeting together after the SI article came out, but what is clear if that was going to happen was that the meeting was not going to be about a text he hadn't sent yet. Brown texted the painter, the painter's lawyer contacted the Patriots/NFL, and then the Patriots/NFL told Brown to stop texting the painter. THAT'S what happened, end of story. There was no allegation, the painter wasn't on Brown's radar, and there was nothing for Brown to even consider about her or discuss with the team. In general, he did a lot of douchy things, to a lot of different people. He does not live his day-to-day life expecting a lawsuit from everyone he was a douche too. If the SI-smear-job was never published, Brown would've never stupidly texted the painter, and he'd still be on the team - period.

So again, you can guarantee they were setting up a meeting and asked him to be upfront of what other issues he KNEW was coming, but you can't guarantee that they told him to not text the painter before Brown texted her, because she would have never sent a letter to the Patriots/NFL if he didn't do that. The letter from her Lawyer is what sparked the Patriots/NFL to tell him to leave her alone, and nothing else.

If you want to assume it is speculation to assuage you conscience for supporting Brown, so be it.

Yes, and if you want to assume the Patriots somehow forecasted to Brown not to text this random person before he did, you are free to do that as well, but just don't keep stating it as a fact when there is nothing to correberate your version of events.

NFL told Antonio Brown to stop contacting second accuser

Just in case people aren't reading these articles - all of these came on the day of his release, AFTER the said-text messages. You're even using the report I linked (which clearly shows he was NOT told to stop texting before the texts), as a way to somehow support your position - very amusing!
 
AB's lack of self awareness certainly hasn't diminished...


...but yet some yahoos on this board would welcome him back with open arms.
 
...but yet some yahoos on this board would welcome him back with open arms.

Yep. I would. Again, where are the criminal charges? Nothing on the league investigation either. I like winning. He helps that so....

He needs to get off the internet for sure and he is a somewhat loose cannon but he was done dirty by the Pats, media and fans.
 
Yep. I would. Again, where are the criminal charges? Nothing on the league investigation either. I like winning. He helps that so....

He needs to get off the internet for sure and he is a somewhat loose cannon but he was done dirty by the Pats, media and fans.
I don't consider you a yahoo Viper but the cat is bad news.

Don't want to argue.
 
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