BB gives the league another key blueprint: vs Mahomes

[DropKickFlutie]

To be fair this is also how to beat Brady as well, and how the Pats lost twice to the Giants....

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[Kdo5]

To be fair this is also how to beat Brady as well, and how the Pats lost twice to the Giants....

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I was drunk for the second game so I don’t entirely recall. Was Brady under heavy pressure that game or did they just miss opportunities and our defense could not get off the field?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I was drunk for the second game so I don’t entirely recall. Was Brady under heavy pressure that game or did they just miss opportunities and our defense could not get off the field?

Rush only 4 and still get pressure, play tight man with 7 defenders covering the field. Happened both games. If that's the way to play Mahomes, basically it's saying the only way to beat him is play unbelievable defense.

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[NYPatsFan]

Rush only 4 and still get pressure, play tight man with 7 defenders covering the field. Happened both games. If that's the way to play Mahomes, basically it's saying the only way to beat him is play unbelievable defense.

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Yes, that's the way to beat Brady or any great passing QB.

 

[SBLIII]

To be fair this is also how to beat Brady as well, and how the Pats lost twice to the Giants....

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so basically you have to play incredible well to beat really, really good QBs.

Nothing new.

It's not a magical system or something by Belichick. You need to have really good football players and lots of them to give a QB like Mahomes fits.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Hurt him, run for 200 yards, and catch him with three of his top four skill position players out? Have fun replicating that.

If the Patriots win again against the Chiefs, it's because they have the best defense in the league (and shaping up to be one of the best in history) with a good offense helmed by a quarterback who can rise to any occasion. That isn't a goddamn blueprint, it's the entire thing Belichick built towards over the last year because he knows Mahomes is special and the Chiefs are who he must shape a team to beat, like the Manning Colts of old.

Amen.
Whenever a new AFC juggernaught emerges BB's strategy is to try to construct a team that is designed to best attack that likely AFCE opponent. Hopefully that purpose built squad achieves its objective and most importantly matches up well vs the impossible to predict NFC SB opponent. That attempted construction may have also worked well vs the Saints had the NFL not spazzed out. Most fortuitously, last year's squad was also near perfect antidote to the LAR opponent, enabling Silencing The Lambs.

 

[neuronet]

It's like when people say the blueprint against the Pats with Brady is to get Brady off his spot by collapsing the pocket. Sure, but do you know how hard that is to pull off? Also, doesn't mean Brady isn't crazy talented. It's just a way to take away the opponent's greatest strength (for Brady, his pocket presence), and force them to beat you without it. That's the Belichick way.

 

[Antdawg]

so basically you have to play incredible well to beat really, really good QBs.

Nothing new.

It's not a magical system or something by Belichick. You need to have really good football players and lots of them to give a QB like Mahomes fits.

I think the key to that game was Belichick taking the Chiefs out of their rhythm just long enough to outgun the Chiefs in the end. 0 points in the 1st half is why the Patriots won that game, because Mahomes was unstoppable in the 2nd half. Chiefs adjusted to unique looks from the Pats, but it was too late. I wouldn't say it was a defensive masterpiece at all. It was just enough to get the win. Brady and the offense won that game.

 

[SBLIII]

I think the key to that game was Belichick taking the Chiefs out of their rhythm just long enough to outgun the Chiefs in the end. 0 points in the 1st half is why the Patriots won that game, because Mahomes was unstoppable in the 2nd half. Chiefs adjusted to unique looks from the Pats, but it was too late. I wouldn't say it was a defensive masterpiece at all. It was just enough to get the win. Brady and the offense won that game.

allowing 31 points in one half is actually pretty incompetent.

 

[Simpelton]

so basically you have to play incredible well to beat really, really good QBs.

Nothing new.

It's not a magical system or something by Belichick. You need to have really good football players and lots of them to give a QB like Mahomes fits.

Who are the great football players on the Colts defense right now? Autry's pretty good, Houston's good, they've got some talent on the secondary, and they've got a whole mess of rookies and second year players with potential, but in terms of dominant talent in its prime right now, I'm not seeing it.

The Colts got a bunch of rookies, second year guys and replacements to execute a good gameplan nearly flawlessly against a great QB. That's impressive.

 

[SBLIII]

Who are the great football players on the Colts defense right now? Autry's pretty good, Houston's good, they've got some talent on the secondary, and they've got a whole mess of rookies and second year players with potential, but in terms of dominant talent in its prime right now, I'm not seeing it.

The Colts got a bunch of rookies, second year guys and replacements to execute a good gameplan nearly flawlessly against a great QB. That's impressive.

Colts played well but nothing fancy really.

Held up well in man coverage against a hobbled Mahomes, a OL that is a mess missing 2 starters, missing Watkins and Hill

 

[Simpelton]

Kelce was on the field, believe it or not. Tyreek Hill is the other guy they were missing.

Also I can't accept the excuse that Mahomes was hurt, because it was the Colts that hurt Mahomes by putting bodies on him. Not saying that you're deliberately going out there trying to injure people, but when you body a guy several times as a result of clean contact, it's certainly satisfying when they limp off the field. Basically I give a ton of credit for the Colts' young DL putting Mahomes in that situation.

Remember, the Colts got to Mahomes' ankle twice, first with the sack by Autry, then when one of his OL gets buttfumbled backwards into his QB. Putting bodies on Mahomes was definiely part of the game plan, and it bore fruit fairly quickly.

 

[SBLIII]

Corrected.

They played really well and you should give them credit for it.

But they didn't follow any blueprint as their isn't one. They covered well and dominated the LOS.

 

[Antdawg]

allowing 31 points in one half is actually pretty incompetent.

Still a great game plan, even with the 2nd half torching. You can't stop them, but you can hope to contain them, which is what the Pats did by blanking them in the 1st half. Not a masterpiece, but still pretty good for doing that at Arrowhead.

 

[tasmlab]

The Pats barely made it to overtime and the Lions lost. The blueprint might need a little refining.

 

[TommyD4207]

Colts played well but nothing fancy really.

Held up well in man coverage against a hobbled Mahomes, a OL that is a mess missing 2 starters, missing Watkins and Hill

The Colts started a practice squad for their secondary. It's not as simple as you're making it.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Hurt him, run for 200 yards, and catch him with three of his top four skill position players out? Have fun replicating that.

If the Patriots win again against the Chiefs, it's because they have the best defense in the league (and shaping up to be one of the best in history) with a good offense helmed by a quarterback who can rise to any occasion. That isn't a goddamn blueprint, it's the entire thing Belichick built towards over the last year because he knows Mahomes is special and the Chiefs are who he must shape a team to beat, like the Manning Colts of old.

Listening to this forum neither Manning nor Mahomes can read a defense?

Blueprint sounds silly but it's absolutely worth noting what your opponents might struggle w. Esp if you see it in other games.
People get too carried away thinking this is why win. Might allow you a little flexibility you might not normally have.
Another thing worth is that it's not just Mahomes that may "struggle" w a certain look but also his OL/weapons etc.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Pats barely made it to overtime and the Lions lost. The blueprint might need a little refining.

The Pats beat the K.C. Mahomes twice last season, and the Lions lost because a Lions RB fumbled the ball when the team was right at the goal line and going for a killer TD. The "Blueprint" has worked fine.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Listening to this forum neither Manning nor Mahomes can read a defense?

Blueprint sounds silly but it's absolutely worth noting what your opponents might struggle w. Esp if you see it in other games.
People get too carried away thinking this is why win. Might allow you a little flexibility you might not normally have.
Another thing worth is that it's not just Mahomes that may "struggle" w a certain look but also his OL/weapons etc.

I had said this offseason that Mahomes couldn’t read a defense, but I think I should clarify that didn’t use the correct words to describe it. He can read a defense and recognize coverages well...there is a difference, though, between being able to read and react to a defense and being able to master and manipulate a defense. I don’t think any second or third year player could possibly have a deep, Brady-like understanding that requires a lot of experience and some failures along the way. I also don’t think it’s a given that a player will get to that level through experience either, as few have reached it.

When Mahomes starts taking various personnel groupings and adapting to schemes, overcoming injured teammates, dealing with major protection issues, and not having a slew of pro bowl skill players, then that would show a lot. Right now, he’s talented hat he can win by playing checkers a lot of the time...and I should also clarify that with his talent level, he’ll still be one of league’s best players with or without that mastery.

Eli is an enigma. The guy scored extremely high on the Wonderlic, basically at Mensa level, so he is very intelligent. He had the physical talent...he just couldn’t put it all together consistently. The only constant in his career was inconsistency. One of the strangest careers.

 

[Vindicate]

I wonder how many threads among other fan sites have popped up like this over the years after Brady gets beaten when his top receiving options were hobbled or out.

The Chiefs are not garbage. They can score like crazy. D isn't good, I mean. You can't just think they're not a threat. We have held these guys to nothing one half, then they come back and score 24 in a single quarter or something.

If anyone knows how the Chiefs can look like garbage one second, then world beaters the next, it's the Patriots. Because we've seen that happen each time we face them.

And because we're known to do that from time to time as well

The blueprint is - do everything right on D. It's like when people say the blueprint to Brady is play perfect man, throw off short routes, and create interior pressure.

Well, yeah. That beats any QB. It's also ridiculously difficult to do for a full game. Especially after halftime adjustments