Wtf happened with Brissett deal?

[rochrist]

It was bad quarterbacking. I’m not comparing it to elite I’m comparing it to competent.


Haha. Bottom 3 in almost everything and you have him better than half the QBs?
Please, please, please be the 14-17 that we’re worse than him. This should be funny.


It’s nit acceptable anywhere.
Except your mind.


The results were bad. Very bad.


But he looked like a bad qb. 30th in scoring, 31st in passing. 58% complete which was down to 54% as the season word on and teams had take. Those are terrible numbers.


He was a major reason they were 4-12. Everyone sucked isn’t an example of how he played well.


Again you can’t list a thing he did well. You just make excuses.



This is simply not a true statement.


So now you are arguing they played Brissett because they wanted to lose?

You have responded to “tell me what he did well” with zero examples of him doing anything well.
Do you have any?

And please give me that list of 15-17 teams who had worse QBs. Please explain why you think they were worse also, so I can laugh even harder.

FYI
Joe Flacco 9-7 9th in scoring 64.1% complete 18 TDS led offense to 395 points
Brissett 4-11 30th in scoring 58.8% complete
13 tds led offense to 263 points

Please explain to me how the guy who put 132 more points MORE THAN 50% MORE on the board competed 64% to under 59% and won 9 games vs 4 was worse?

And Flacco is kinda the bench mark of suck!

 

[Coolade2]

Agree.
I mean we are talking about things like drafting players where not only a high percentage flop, but very few picks ever turn out to be the best player that was in the board.
We are talking about competing against 31 other teams for free agents, for keeping your own players, not to mention gameplanning, play calling and cutting one player over another when they are very close. Some people love to spend their time shooting fish in a barrell crying about all the bad or less than perfect decision and act as if the standard is they should get every one right.

I tend to look at it differently. If they generally make better decisions than anyone else, then why am I crying about the ones they get wrong? Moreso, if the thinking is sound why complain about the decision? I know that I or no one on this board, or even in the nfl, would do a better job making decisions overall than the patriots braintrust. So what is the point of obsessing over ones they get wrong?

Yeah.. discussion comes off as criticism or even condescension..lol. it's annoying. Especially talk radio making money off it. Yeah felgah... You woulda kept Jimmy and traded Brady.. you're so smaht.. . It's so easy to chat about the outcome of trades .or draft picks. The hard part is doing it in real time like belichick... it's really hard. The only real outcome is how'd ya do last year. ? Supah bowl? Oh ..good job.

 

[Coolade2]

It was bad quarterbacking. I’m not comparing it to elite I’m comparing it to competent.


Haha. Bottom 3 in almost everything and you have him better than half the QBs?
Please, please, please be the 14-17 that we’re worse than him. This should be funny.


It’s nit acceptable anywhere.
Except your mind.


The results were bad. Very bad.


But he looked like a bad qb. 30th in scoring, 31st in passing. 58% complete which was down to 54% as the season word on and teams had take. Those are terrible numbers.


He was a major reason they were 4-12. Everyone sucked isn’t an example of how he played well.


Again you can’t list a thing he did well. You just make excuses.



This is simply not a true statement.


So now you are arguing they played Brissett because they wanted to lose?

You have responded to “tell me what he did well” with zero examples of him doing anything well.
Do you have any?

And please give me that list of 15-17 teams who had worse QBs. Please explain why you think they were worse also, so I can laugh even harder.

FYI
Joe Flacco 9-7 9th in scoring 64.1% complete 18 TDS led offense to 395 points
Brissett 4-11 30th in scoring 58.8% complete
13 tds led offense to 263 points

Please explain to me how the guy who put 132 more points MORE THAN 50% MORE on the board competed 64% to under 59% and won 9 games vs 4 was worse?

Comprehensive post but I still like Brissett. I watched most of his game last week. Game manager..! Underwhelming but conservative. Lots of check downs. Some nice throws.

Great how he shed sacks a couple times. Overall average numbers but you really need to see him run a real offense. Not sure how good he can process the entire thing. The question in his second year is can he build on the good aspects into a better QB that wins games.. (kinda like JG did..?) Hmm...

 

[Ring 6]

Comprehensive post but I still like Brissett. I watched most of his game last week. Game manager..! Underwhelming but conservative. Lots of check downs. Some nice throws.

Great how he shed sacks a couple times. Overall average numbers but you really need to see him run a real offense. Not sure how good he can process the entire thing. The question in his second year is can he build on the good aspects into a better QB that wins games.. (kinda like JG did..?) Hmm...

The numbers are not anywhere near average though, they are bottom of the barrell.
I’m still trying to find the good aspects and game manager is just another way of saying he can’t put points on the board.

 

[ralmat55]

It was bad quarterbacking. I’m not comparing it to elite I’m comparing it to competent.


Haha. Bottom 3 in almost everything and you have him better than half the QBs?
Please, please, please be the 14-17 that we’re worse than him. This should be funny.


It’s nit acceptable anywhere.
Except your mind.


The results were bad. Very bad.


But he looked like a bad qb. 30th in scoring, 31st in passing. 58% complete which was down to 54% as the season word on and teams had take. Those are terrible numbers.


He was a major reason they were 4-12. Everyone sucked isn’t an example of how he played well.


Again you can’t list a thing he did well. You just make excuses.



This is simply not a true statement.


So now you are arguing they played Brissett because they wanted to lose?

You have responded to “tell me what he did well” with zero examples of him doing anything well.
Do you have any?

And please give me that list of 15-17 teams who had worse QBs. Please explain why you think they were worse also, so I can laugh even harder.

FYI
Joe Flacco 9-7 9th in scoring 64.1% complete 18 TDS led offense to 395 points
Brissett 4-11 30th in scoring 58.8% complete
13 tds led offense to 263 points

Please explain to me how the guy who put 132 more points MORE THAN 50% MORE on the board competed 64% to under 59% and won 9 games vs 4 was worse?

Using your rationale that bad coaching and bad teammates are irrelevant and since Brissett only won 3 games and his numbers sucked thus Brissett sucks, you unwittingly just made the argument that your Almighty Hero has had nothing to do with the Patriots run of success. Coaching and teammates don’t matter you said, so the Pats winning with great offensive stats is all to Brady’s credit, right?

 

[IcyPatriot]

Using your rationale that bad coaching and bad teammates are irrelevant and since Brissett only won 3 games and his numbers sucked thus Brissett sucks, you unwittingly just made the argument that your Almighty Hero has had nothing to do with the Patriots run of success. Coaching and teammates don’t matter you said, so the Pats winning with great offensive stats is all to Brady’s credit, right?

Now you did it ......

 

[Coolade2]

The numbers are not anywhere near average though, they are bottom of the barrell.
I’m still trying to find the good aspects and game manager is just another way of saying he can’t put points on the board.

Surprised you are so down on Brissett. Remember Brady winning games 12-0 or 16-13?.. game manager means win games by avoiding mistakes, throwing to backs, moving the ball so Adam vinitieri can kick field goals... Indy has that ..lol

 

[supafly]

Surprised you are so down on Brissett. Remember Brady winning games 12-0 or 16-13?.. game manager means win games by avoiding mistakes, throwing to backs, moving the ball so Adam vinitieri can kick field goals... Indy has that ..lol

Jacoby Brissett was 4-11 last season, had a 58.8% completion rate, and threw a total of 13 touchdowns in 15 games. I can appreciate the idea that people think he’s going to be alright, but I don’t know that I necessarily follow their logic.

Is it reasonable to assume that many, if not most backup QBs around the league may have led their teams to a few/handful of wins throughout the season?

 

[Joker]

Binkyism is a league wide disease amongst fans

 

[Ring 6]

Using your rationale that bad coaching and bad teammates are irrelevant and since Brissett only won 3 games and his numbers sucked thus Brissett sucks,

That’s not my rationale at all. My rationale is that Brissett played poorly and is a major reason the team was bad, and those are lame excuses for his poor play.

you unwittingly just made the argument that your Almighty Hero has had nothing to do with the Patriots run of success. Coaching and teammates don’t matter you said, so the Pats winning with great offensive stats is all to Brady’s credit, right?

Sorry buddy but that is just a stupid comment, and isn’t even close to what I said.
Drop the Belichick hate, it’s making you silly.

 

[Coolade2]

Jacoby Brissett was 4-11 last season, had a 58.8% completion rate, and threw a total of 13 touchdowns in 15 games. I can appreciate the idea that people think he’s going to be alright, but I don’t know that I necessarily follow their logic.

Is it reasonable to assume that many, if not most backup QBs around the league may have led their teams to a few/handful of wins throughout the season?

Game manager types rely on a good defense also.. we shall see. The whole idea is about potential and development of young QBs. Building team around them etc.

As fans we can watch these ex-pats (JG, JB) build on their foundations in Patriots system., Including Brady as leader by example. I think it's cool to do this and compare them. Better than watching them holding clipboard..lol. as long as people can accept the trades were inevitable... Or at least done and over with..

 

[Ring 6]

Surprised you are so down on Brissett. Remember Brady winning games 12-0 or 16-13?..

Did Brissett win?
It Brady’s first season the patriots were 11-3 then 3-0 in the playoffs and had the #6 scoring offense. Brissett was 4-11 and #30

game manager means win games by avoiding mistakes, throwing to backs, moving the ball so Adam vinitieri can kick field goals... Indy has that ..lol

No they don’t. They were THIRTIETH in scoring.
And Brissett didn’t throw to running backs either. The RBs caught a total of 59 passes all year an extremely low number.

The only thing they have in common is they play the sand position.
Your argument is ostensibly every QB is good because Tom Brady.

 

[Coolade2]

Did Brissett win?
It Brady’s first season the patriots were 11-3 then 3-0 in the playoffs and had the #6 scoring offense. Brissett was 4-11 and #30




No they don’t. They were THIRTIETH in scoring.
And Brissett didn’t throw to running backs either. The RBs caught a total of 59 passes all year an extremely low number.

The only thing they have in common is they play the sand position.
Your argument is ostensibly every QB is good because Tom Brady.

Nope .. my argument is that Brissett will develop into better QB like Brady did , partially because Brady showed him how.. along with Patriots coaches. The rest is his size, mobility , decent arm ... And hopefully intelligence. We shall see..

 

[Ring 6]

Nope .. my argument is that Brissett will develop into better QB like Brady did , partially because Brady showed him how.. along with Patriots coaches. The rest is his size, mobility , decent arm ... And hopefully intelligence. We shall see..

I’m not talking about what you hope I’m talking about the player and how he played.
He is inaccurate, doesn’t read defenses particularly well, and struggles to make positive plays and sustain drives.
Comparing him to Brady is ludicrous.

I mean I can argue that Jordan Richards is going to become a great safety because Belichick and McCourty taught him how, but that would be dumb.

 

[Simpelton]

Using your rationale that bad coaching and bad teammates are irrelevant and since Brissett only won 3 games and his numbers sucked thus Brissett sucks, you unwittingly just made the argument that your Almighty Hero has had nothing to do with the Patriots run of success. Coaching and teammates don’t matter you said, so the Pats winning with great offensive stats is all to Brady’s credit, right?

What's more, if any decent quarterback is supposed to win 9-12 games with a mediocre to awful roster, doesn't that just absolutely diminish what Brady has accomplished as an elite game manager and his ability to make the players around him far better than they are, by making this a thing fans should reasonably expect to take for granted from any quarterback they happen to have playing?

I mean if this is a normal expectation, then Brady is lot less special for being able to accomplish it. Wouldn't you say?

 

[Ring 6]

What's more, if any decent quarterback is supposed to win 9-12 games with a mediocre to awful roster, doesn't that just absolutely diminish what Brady has accomplished as an elite game manager and his ability to make the players around him far better than they are, by making this a thing fans should reasonably expect to take for granted from any quarterback they happen to have playing?

I mean if this is a normal expectation, then Brady is lot less special for being able to accomplish it. Wouldn't you say?

You are strawmanning Brissett isn’t very good into he is supposed to win 9-12 games and be Brady. Hell he wasn’t even tyrod Taylor .

 

[Simpelton]

Jacoby Brissett was 4-11 last season, had a 58.8% completion rate, and threw a total of 13 touchdowns in 15 games. I can appreciate the idea that people think he’s going to be alright, but I don’t know that I necessarily follow their logic.

Is it reasonable to assume that many, if not most backup QBs around the league may have led their teams to a few/handful of wins throughout the season?

If Jacoby Brissett had an ordinary roster and accomplished that, I'd agree with you.

Tom Brady is elite, Jimmy Garoppolo is elite. These guys can take crap and spin it into gold by a combination of talent and leadership and making the team believe that they are wizards who can do anything.

Jacoby Brissett was never cut out of that same cloth. Expectations should not be on the same level. He is NOT always going to be able to take a terrible roster and win playoff games with it. That's just not his skillset.

Let me put it this way: Who on that Colts roster made themselves a reliable target for Brissett? TY Hilton and who else?

What did the Colts running game look like? A geriatric Frank Gore and a couple young guys who aren't consistent yet, if they ever will be.

As for the offensive line -- getting sacked over 50 freaking times in one season tells you all you need to know there.

Defense? There was some talent but also some gaping holes. The secondary wasn't terrible but they had no ability to generate any kind of consistent pressure on the quarterback.

A nonelite quarterback needs some help from his roster and coaching staff. There was none to be had for Brissett in Indianapolis.

With what he had to work with, he did alright. At the very least he minimized turnovers (7 turnovers in 15 games isn't bad at all) got a half decent yardage without much offensive support, and managed to stay on the field for the whole season. Under the circumstances, I'll take that.

Especially because I very strongly suspect he was held back by the coaching staff in several winnable situations in order to perpetuate the tank job they were doing. I can't prove it, but they had motive, opportunity, and a suspiciously prolific ability to piss away 4th quarter leads

 

[Simpelton]

You are strawmanning Brissett isn’t very good into he is supposed to win 9-12 games and be Brady. Hell he wasn’t even tyrod Taylor .

What was your expectations of Brissett going to the Colts and starting every game? How many games should he have won, how many yards and TDs should he have thrown for?

 

[Ring 6]

What was your expectations of Brissett going to the Colts and starting every game? How many games should he have won, how many yards and TDs should he have thrown for?

I am judging his play.
If he was an average QB he should have his offense running near the middle of the pack, not a the bottom.

 

[Ring 6]

If Jacoby Brissett had an ordinary roster and accomplished that, I'd agree with you.

Tom Brady is elite, Jimmy Garoppolo is elite. These guys can take crap and spin it into gold by a combination of talent and leadership and making the team believe that they are wizards who can do anything.

Jacoby Brissett was never cut out of that same cloth. Expectations should not be on the same level. He is NOT always going to be able to take a terrible roster and win playoff games with it. That's just not his skillset.

Let me put it this way: Who on that Colts roster made themselves a reliable target for Brissett? TY Hilton and who else?

What did the Colts running game look like? A geriatric Frank Gore and a couple young guys who aren't consistent yet, if they ever will be.

As for the offensive line -- getting sacked over 50 freaking times in one season tells you all you need to know there.

Defense? There was some talent but also some gaping holes. The secondary wasn't terrible but they had no ability to generate any kind of consistent pressure on the quarterback.

A nonelite quarterback needs some help from his roster and coaching staff. There was none to be had for Brissett in Indianapolis.

With what he had to work with, he did alright. At the very least he minimized turnovers (7 turnovers in 15 games isn't bad at all) got a half decent yardage without much offensive support, and managed to stay on the field for the whole season. Under the circumstances, I'll take that.

Especially because I very strongly suspect he was held back by the coaching staff in several winnable situations in order to perpetuate the tank job they were doing. I can't prove it, but they had motive, opportunity, and a suspiciously prolific ability to piss away 4th quarter leads

You are just making things up now.
He had 15 turnovers. Fumbles are turnovers.

The colts lost 3 games when they had a lead in the 4th quarter.
In those 3
Game 1) they lost because he threw a pick 6
Game 2) Brissett was 1/6 for 6 yards in 3 drives and had 1 first down in the 4th quarter
Game 3) Brissett was 3/7 for 17 yards and zero first downs in the 4th quarter

So a) the colts did NOT blow a lot of 4th quarter leads, and b) Brissett was a big reason they lost the ones they did.