Britt released

[LaterGator]

My apologies. I missed this comment during the course of shuffling between pages.

"Effective moving the offense" (e.g., 1st downs) is significantly different from "replacing Cooks' production". I could see Edelman getting close to 42 1st-downs in 12 games.

I see him getting in the neighborhood of 70 catches and 800 yards for totals. Which on a pro-rated basis is very good.

Every game counts, but his toughness and ability to make big plays down the stretch and in the playoffs are a very significant portion of his contribution.

 

[maineman209]

I see him getting in the neighborhood of 70 catches and 800 yards for totals. Which on a pro-rated basis is very good.

That would be between 90% - 95% of his 2013-2016 average. I'm not counting on that.

I'd guess closer to 60/675 with 35-40 1st downs and 3 TDs in 12 games , which would be more than enough, really.

 

[primetime]

Talking about replacing production is farcical fantasy football stuff anyways. It assumes that there's some constant amount of receptions available, but the actual number of opportunities is in fact a result of the relative talent of the pass catchers. Edelman won't "replace" Cooks because they don't run the same routes. The replacement for Cooks is likely to be a combination of Dorsett and Patterson.

 

[Hyped]

Look at it this way JE was lost for the 2017 whole season. This year it's 4 games. Cooks went to sleep for ~4 games, JE is more reliable with a shi-ton more YAC. DA is gone and Hogan replaces him, both clutch guys who get dinged a bit. Now they need someone to replace Hogan with the 8 games lost ~400 yards 40 catches. ..and Hogan was popped hard vs the Chargers, anyone would have missed time with that.

Who rises up? Patterson is a nice gimmick guy, but that must be metered in. McCarron had a decent catch last week and was PR. Decker has looked uncomfortable. Dorsett has looked good in practice.

I think Dorsett is first man up and McCarron is plan B unless Decker shows marked improvement.

I think Patterson is MORE than just a gimmick guy though...we will see...

 

[TheRainMaker]

Ben Volin on the Colin Cowherd Show:

“Pats should at least look into Dez Bryant”

“WR’s are bad like 2013”.

“Concerned with depth on both sides of the ball”

“Brady made Kraft trade Jimmy G”. He never mentioned the cap had anything to do with it contrary to popular belief on this board.

He was implying the Pats may be upset with Brady now talking retirement sooner than before after him demanding them to trade JAG.

 

[Ring 6]

Ben Volin on the Colin Cowherd Show:

“Pats should at least look into Dez Bryant”

“WR’s are bad like 2013”.

“Concerned with depth on both sides of the ball”

“Brady made Kraft trade Jimmy G”. He never mentioned the cap had anything to do with it contrary to popular belief on this board.

He was implying the Pats may be upset with Brady now talking retirement sooner than before after him demanding them to trade JAG.

Volin

 

[fnordcircle]

When Shannon Sharpe is smarter than some of you

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

When Shannon Sharpe is smarter than some of you

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He had a bad year what does his stats look like before last year?
Also I took the original article that Brady was mad at his self for some less than Brady quality reps.

 

[PatsDeb]

Volin

You forgot this...

 

[TheBeers]

Dez can’t get separation, drops passes, and reportedly isn’t too bright. I just don’t see the fit here.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Talking about replacing production is farcical fantasy football stuff anyways. It assumes that there's some constant amount of receptions available, but the actual number of opportunities is in fact a result of the relative talent of the pass catchers. Edelman won't "replace" Cooks because they don't run the same routes. The replacement for Cooks is likely to be a combination of Dorsett and Patterson.

Look, if I was to go around saying I was King because of some farcical aquatic ritual....

 

[Deus Irae]

Talking about replacing production is farcical fantasy football stuff anyways. It assumes that there's some constant amount of receptions available, but the actual number of opportunities is in fact a result of the relative talent of the pass catchers. Edelman won't "replace" Cooks because they don't run the same routes. The replacement for Cooks is likely to be a combination of Dorsett and Patterson.

Not only that, but it assumes that the remaining players from previous years play to precisely the same level, and the defenses play pretty much exactly the same as they've done in the past. The first is usually wrong, though it can often be within some small range of deviation, and the latter is always wrong.

 

[sean10mm]

Dez Bryant is a head case who contracted a bad case of alligator arms. Dude drops everything now and has since like 2015. Say what you want about Dak, but of his top receivers only Dez has had a garbage catch rate the last 2 years.

They might take him for cheap but expectations should be low.

 

[Ring 6]

That would be between 90% - 95% of his 2013-2016 average. I'm not counting on that.

I'd guess closer to 60/675 with 35-40 1st downs and 3 TDs in 12 games , which would be more than enough, really.

Actually his average for the last 4 years has been 6.5 catches and 69.6 yards per game.
That translates to 78 and 835 over 12 games.
He has been remarkably consistent as well averaging 6.6, 6.6, 6.8 and 6.1 catches and 66,69,77,and 69 yards per game in those 4 years.
I expect he will be right in that vicinity again.

 

[Froob]

Ben Volin on the Colin Cowherd Show:

“Pats should at least look into Dez Bryant”

“WR’s are bad like 2013”.

“Concerned with depth on both sides of the ball”

“Brady made Kraft trade Jimmy G”. He never mentioned the cap had anything to do with it contrary to popular belief on this board.

He was implying the Pats may be upset with Brady now talking retirement sooner than before after him demanding them to trade JAG.

Funny stuff, but the part about 2013 might be right.

 

[patriot1136]

there has to be other vets out there that may be a better fit than Dez

 

[RedSleevesPinkStripes]

there has to be other vets out there that may be a better fit than Dez

I agree, I posted the Dez Pats pic for fun, don't really think it would be a great fit.. I like the thought of bringing Austin Carr back if he becomes available as I was disappointed when he was waived.

 

[Oswlek]

Funny stuff, but the part about 2013 might be right.

Only superficially. Here is a comment I made in another thread.

This comparison [2013] gets bandied about, but it isn't apt, IMO. The biggest problem is that it restricts "receivers" to "wide receivers". Gronk missing the first and last months and the team being blindsided by Hernandez contributed at least as much to the offensive woes as the lack of WR talent. Imagine what circumstances would have to conspire for NE to be trotting out this year's equivalent of Hooman and Matt Mulligan come playoff time.

The gap isn't quite so large at RB, but I'd still take White/Burkhead as receiving backs over Woodhead and Vereen, particularly since Shane hadn't fully developed by that point. And this doesn't include the potential of Michel.

Already the comparison is clearly flawed, but I'd contend that it would be so even if we accept the limited original terms. Here are the receivers that opened 2013:

Edelman, Amendola, Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson

Three rookies, none of which who ended up panning out, Edelman before he was JE11 and Amendola. For the purposes of this discussion, I'll assume Dola didn't get hurt since injuries may happen this year as well.

By comparison, here are the options this year.

Edelman, Hogan, Dorsett, Patterson, Decker, Britt, Berrios, McCarron

Yes, Edelman will be suspended, but for these purposes we'll call that a wash. I think 2013 Amendola has a clear edge on Hogan, but Chis is still a viable receiver who looked to be developing nicely last year before injuring his shoulder. The rest is no comparison. Patterson is viewed as a bust, but he's light years beyond Dobson. Same for Dorsett and Boyce. And Decker/Britt bring at least some level of experience and/or competence to the position. The cliff edge isn't nearly as dramatic, which is important for a team that thrives on mismatches.

All told, if somehow NE loses Gronk and Hollister during the preseason, none of the vets pan out at WR forcing Berrios and McCarron into key roles and Michel's injury lingers all year, leading to an eventual placement on IR, then comparisons to 2013 will be valid. Prior to that, not so much.

 

[LaterGator]

I think Patterson is MORE than just a gimmick guy though...we will see...

That would be nice, I hope you are right.

 

[Froob]

Only superficially. Here is a comment I made in another thread.

Not so sure Patterson is light years beyond took Dobson. Reminds to be seen if Dorsett and Decker will even make the team.