Rewatch Thread: Philly @ NE (Preseason #2)

[PP2]

Both him & Thuney are looking like their selling the run 1st. Almost looks it's designed to just get to the 2nd level.

Brown just just takes a bad path & has a little hitch or we as he's approaching his target.

Not the 1st time he looked lost last night.

One thing to remember when he misses or gets beat it's always gone look worse bc of his size. It'll always stick out bc of his size. Plenty of this on his tape. Good w the bad sorta thing.

He got a lot worse when he ran out of gas in the 2nd half. I'm starting to wonder if that's why we only had to give up a 3rd to get him. Certainly not a good start. And a bit worrisome when you think about how long the season is, for the Patriots.

 

[Oswlek]

In terms of the Dorsett play it seems like Lazar agrees with you @long distance .

But Chatham kinda disagrees.



Honestly think the play was supposed to go inside and thats what Dorsett assumed.

If Dorsett is to be blamed, it is for positioning and pivoting on the wrong foot. (EDIT: Or for not knowing the intended direction of the play). Once that happened, going outside was already busted. The idea that it wasn't a TD because he "danced around" or was "skittish" does not jibe with the video.

 

[long distance]

While the highlight of this clip is Davis sacking the QB, note that #44 does a very nice job picking up the back and turning downfield with him in coverage. Sam is clearly behind the rest of the linebacking corp, but he's an easy mover with upside. Could be a good nickel guy.

Sam played all ST units from start to well into 2nd half so id guess they want to find a way to keep him on 53 not to lose him on waivers. He doesn't look as good as Langi did last year on ST but there is still time left..

 

[long distance]

He got a lot worse when he ran out of gas in the 2nd half. I'm starting to wonder if that's why we only had to give up a 3rd to get him. Certainly not a good start. And a bit worrisome when you think about how long the season is, for the Patriots.

He did not play 2nd half . you probably mean 2Q. Not really true though. He bounced back ok for his last drive. Its overreaction. I doubt Dante & BB would give him the starting job over Wynn if that was the case.. But he will be (or was) featuring on game tape session for sure..

 

[luuked]

He got a lot worse when he ran out of gas in the 2nd half. I'm starting to wonder if that's why we only had to give up a 3rd to get him. Certainly not a good start. And a bit worrisome when you think about how long the season is, for the Patriots.

Conditioning is usually one of the last things I worry about on this team. They get them in shape. But if this really becomes an issue then it sounds like another good reason to have a certain blocking TE around.

 

[PP2]

He had plenty of room to make the block, too much actually. That’s the problem. A 200lb. DB avoiding a 360 lb OL in open space with the choice to pretty much go any direction is the easiest win in the NFL.
Ask yourself this, if that DB were returning an int would brien have been able to lay a finger on him?

The reason I believe he overcommitted is because he takes a terrible angle to block and naturally whiffs.

If he doesn't oversell, he would have been able to go more vertical and Dorsett could have followed in his wake.

 

[PP2]

He did not play 2nd half . you probably mean 2Q. Not really true though. He bounced back ok for his last drive. Its overreaction. I doubt Dante & BB would give him the starting job over Wynn if that was the case.. But he will be (or was) featuring on game tape session for sure..

Yes, you're right. My bad.

 

[long distance]

Yes, you're right. My bad.

Id wait to see him in a competitive game for 60 min. Id actually expect 280 lb (EDIT: 380 lb of course ) tackle to have problems keeping up with competitive high tempo game at some point (and having Wynn backing up and coming in if case may be would be very comforting) but Im sure they know what they have by now and will pace him if necessary.

 

[n1997y]

Id wait to see him in a competitive game for 60 min. Id actually expect 280 lb tackle to have problems keeping up with competitive high tempo game at some point (and having Wynn backing up and coming in if case may be would be very comforting) but Im sure they know what they have by now and will pace him if necessary.

If you are talking about Trent Brown he is listed at 380. But what's a hundred pounds at that level?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Giving up one sack on 76 snaps does not make someones pass protection questionable. I mean is Bradys passing ability questionable when he misses one throw ? He played a pretty good game in the SB as did the entire OL.

Overall he is an average guard when it comes to pass protection and elite when it comes to playing the run.

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[Tony2046]

Average to me means questionable. Why not get a guard that great at run blocking and pass protection? There is nothing wrong at upgrading at certain positions.

You're not going to find a better run blocking guard. And average does not mean questionable. hahaha

 

[long distance]

from the start i felt something Butler like in bringing in Crossen (EDIT: nothing to do with play similarity . something underdog “intangible“) . and this was a nice omen

 

[Love The Drake]

from the start i felt something Butler like in bringing in Crossen . and this was a nice omen

I dont know.
Why not move him to safety.

 

[Love The Drake]

I dont know.
Why not move him to safety.

He has good speed feet can tackle just cant play well when hes not facing the ball.
Why not try him at free safety.

 

[Tony2046]

I dont know.
Why not move him to safety.

I have a feeling this is a "anything to get Richards off the field" angle.

 

[PScottman]

anything to get Richards off the field

That's the new "Do Your Job" t-shirt down at Patriot Place.

 

[patfanken]

Patterson is going to be a weapon. An unconventional one, but him being a threat in those ways adds a dimension to the offense, and will open up other things.
I could see running gronk to the seam and then bringing Patterson underneath on a shallow crosser driving defenses crazy.

I agree. Though the pattern I would love to see him eventually excel at is an old Welker pattern. That's the one where he looks like he's doing a slant or crosser and then turns it up the seam. That pattern got the slow and small Welker behind the secondary on many occasions. Image how effective it could be with a guy of Patterson's size and speed.

 

[Ring 6]

The reason I believe he overcommitted is because he takes a terrible angle to block and naturally whiffs.

If he doesn't oversell, he would have been able to go more vertical and Dorsett could have followed in his wake.

I think it’s semantics. Think about the old drills in high school where a runner and tackler would be 10-15 yards apart in a 10 yard wide tunnel. The big fat DL would never lay a finger on the small shifty RB.
It’s a total mismatch. “Overcommitting” or just being to big to be agile enough to have a good chance to get pads on a small guy in space are pretty much the same thing.
In other words once brown starts moving in one direction he’s just to damn big to change direction in open space to adjust to where the small guy goes. That’s why big men in space are usually moving forward and the runner plays off how the defender commits.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree. Though the pattern I would love to see him eventually excel at is an old Welker pattern. That's the one where he looks like he's doing a slant or crosser and then turns it up the seam. That pattern got the slow and small Welker behind the secondary on many occasions. Image how effective it could be with a guy of Patterson's size and speed.

Totally agree. Especially if/when he starts being effective. “Fill in the blank” and up only works when you ar worried about what comes before the up. Kinda like play action withdraw great when they can’t stop your running game.

 

[jah]

He has good speed feet can tackle just cant play well when hes not facing the ball.
Why not try him at free safety.

Are you going to suggest we move every player to safety until Richards is off the team?