I try to stay away from agitating you but sometimes you're just so goddyamed condescending it's impossible to lay off.
I apologize for being condescending in this or previous posts. It is not intentional. Perhaps I was frustrated by the perceived condescending nature of Deus' posts I was responding to.
I do think it is funny that you are accusing me of being condensing, considering the tone you generally take with me. Perhaps you react to something going over your head as if the author is being pretentious. Just because I use the term "21 personnel" to make a football point does not mean I consider myself some football Einstein. Recall that when you made a joke I failed to understand I simply asked you about it. I did not view your attempts at humor to be filled with pretension. I don't respond to your posts with things like I missed the "George Carlin" master class.
Joker, will you make an effort to be less rude next time you have a question about something? I have in interest in football strategy and schemes, and I learn what I can and give my input just as anyone else does.
Going 5 wide out of 21 and 12 personnel is a reoccurring method we use to exploit defensive match-ups.
Been watching the NFL for over 60 years, played ball up to college. I have no idea what the eff "21 and 12 personnel" means. This is the first time I've ever heard it used ANYWHERE by anybody related to the NFL, sports stations, blogs, former coaches etc. You say "we" as if YOU are part of the Pats coaching staff. Are you?
Understanding Football Offensive Personnel Packages - Inside The Pylon
Talking about personnel packages in this way is
common on this board. I first heard Jon Gruden discuss personnel packages in this way in a Saints MNF game around 5 years ago. I use it for brevity, not to obscure the point.
Others do the same.
Are you complaining that I refer to the Patriots as "our" team? I refuse to be sorry for this. If it offends you, substitute "the Patriots" for "we". I feel "we scored 37 and they scored 8" is a perfectly fine statement.
IMO, Dion Lewis has not shown the slot-receiver route running capacity of Burkhead or White.
I attend games as well as watch them every Sunday. I've seen Lewis out of the slot two years ago,even with Edelman being the primary slot.Just because he hasn't shown it to you THIS season doesn't mean he cannot perform that function.It means the Pats have two other players that can, giving Lewis more chances at his optimum position...but yeah, just IMO your way out of a pure BS take.
My entire point is contingent on the idea that Lewis is relatively worse in the slot. I attempted to make it clear that this was my impression by saying "IMO", and Dues also thought it was "probably" the case in the post I quoted. I agree that Lewis
might be just as good and this skill is simply under-utilized, but the point I was making presupposes he is not. I was making a point about the importance of WR route running for all of our skill position players.
Let me know if you can think of some particular games from a couple years ago where Dion played in the slot. I am open to that presupposition being wrong. I am quite confident in the point that follows from it however:
You don't call Gronk a WR when he is lined up wide. A player's position is a function of their overall skill-set, not where they are lined up on a given play.
well, this a dyamned if you do/don't proposition on your part. If Gronk is lined up at WR in a five wide set guess what? He IS a WR. So are White and Burkhead NOT RB's but slot receivers instead? Really? You actually believe THIS?
Gronk is a TE because of dual threat skill set. The defense has to respect his run blocking skills. Say we have Burkhead, Develin, Gronk, Cooks, and Dorsett (RB, FB, TE, WR, WR) on the field. All of these players have shown the ability to line up 5 wide formations. The defense might be tempted to bring in extra defensive backs to help defend the pass. Yet their ability to do this is limited by Gronk and Develin's blocking ability. If the defense takes out too many linebackers or linemen for pass defenders, we can punish them in the running game. The defense has to treat him as a TE, not as a WR. Same goes for Devlin as a FB. The offensive personnel grouping limits the possible response of the defense.
Now of course, WRs are still asked to block DBs in the run game. But WRs are not asked to block LBs and DEs consistently like a TE or FB is. I assume you know this, since you also played football.
Finally, referring to players by their traditional position when they are split out wide is quite common. IRRC, Romo commented on how
Manti Te'o was playing too soft on Develin, since Develin was a full back. The distinction between personnel and formation is not new.
White and Burkhead's ability to run slot routes makes them better overall playmakers in a very important sense.
They are very important cogs in the Pats offense, but to denigrate Dion Lewis like you have just done, based on practically nothing is just plain ridiculous. I witnessed the dynamism Dion Lewis brought to this offense 2 years ago. He is back from that horrendous knee injury at last and is BACK to his play making ability.
When I see Lewis making plays in the gyfs below, I will agree with the statement "Burkhead is not a better overall playmaker, on any basis". Until then there
is a basis that Burkhead is better than Lewis. This does not take anything away from Lewis' strengths in other areas.
(This last one is White)
This post of mine gives additional info on why I believe RB's that can go wide is important to our offense.
