Dolphins to hire OL coach Dave DeGuglielmo

[Nehalem]

No he wasn't.

In 2014 he benefited from a veteran line and Brady jelling at the right time.

In 2015 no question they had a ton of injuries but he clearly did not have Stork or the kids ready for that DEN game.

Brady is on pace to be sacked 13 times more in 2017 than 2015. And unlike 2015 Stork doesn't have play LT.

 

[Ring 6]

I can see Brady having opportunity to catch that (when not scanning the field/defence), but Googs has to take blame over Belichick and McDaniels. Part of the reason people are expected to "do your job" is so other people can do theirs. In delegating work you have to trust people, mainly because it takes away from your own efficiencies in your tasks if you are second guessing the work of the delegated person, and then double checking that work, etc. Googs' job was the line. He had one job.

All in all, lots of blame to go around for that. WhyTF Andrew's picked that day to start head-bobbing is beyond me.

The OL coach doesnt call the snap count.
The head bob was DESIGNED. It was the silent snap trigger. It was not the problem. The snap count was.

 

[Ring 6]

That's one example of Googs crappy coaching

The head bob had nothing to do with the OL coach.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Brady is on pace to be sacked 13 times more in 2017 than 2015. And unlike 2015 Stork doesn't have play LT.

Yep and this is not 2015

 

[RobertWeathers]

The head bob had nothing to do with the OL coach.

I disagree. If a coach isn't monitoring his player's fundamentals and tendencies hes not doing his job.

 

[goheels22002]

Googs did a decent job here with a good offensive line. The major issues with him were the lack of alternative signal calls once the defense figured out what they were going to do, and the accusation that he didn't correct "tells" in both formation and technique that tipped off defenders about where they were going to go. The 2014 line was tough and executed in the hurry up offense very well. Exhibit A is the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl against the Seahawks.

Did I write "Seahawks?" Guess I better post this:

 

[Ring 6]

No it hasn't. What are you talking about.

I'll do it again.
When you run a play in football there is a snap count. Audibly it's the number of "huts".
I'm sure you are familiar with Peyton Manning using OMAHA. That is a TRIGGER. Since Manning did so much presnap barking OMAHA became "down set" so the knew The next sound equaled hut 1, hut 2,etc.

A silent snap count would the same way. You can't do anything audibly so a TRIGGER is chosen. It can be a head bob which is common. IE center raises his head = OMAHA. I've seen teams have the g slap the c leg.
In the huddle you call the snap count. The hut 1, hut 2,etc cadence is fine silently by all players. This way they have the advantage of knowing the snap count.

If in fact storks head bob was tipping the snap the problem wasn't the head bob. The head bob had to happen. The problem would be that every play was called "on 1". (People have watched the tape and confirmed that didn't happen and it's fake news bye)
But if it did the fault is with who was calling the snap count, and that is certainly not the OL coach.

If Peyton Manning called every play in 1 after OMAHA and defenses figured it out that would be the OL caches fault as much as this issue would be. In other words, not at all.

 

[Ring 6]

I disagree. If a coach isn't monitoring his player's fundamentals and tendencies hes not doing his job.

The head bob was what the coaching staff chose as the TRIGGER.
How is the OL coach responsible for the snap count? His plaster being the trigger does not make it his fault is the use the same snap count every play.

How do you think a silent snap count works?

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

This is terrible news. He's going to give them inside info on our linemen! Gems like:

"Every day I would tell these guys, seriously guys, block really hard today. And sometimes they would! But usually they wouldn't. Take advantage of that!"

And don't forget the classic, "Bob your head right before you snap the ball"

 

[RobertWeathers]

The head bob was what the coaching staff chose as the TRIGGER.
How is the OL coach responsible for the snap count? His plaster being the trigger does not make it his fault is the use the same snap count every play.

How do you think a silent snap count works?

Its not the head-bob per se. Its the timing after Tom lifts his leg then the head bob, then the count then the hike.

The point is there was a major gaffe in changing it up and Googs is part of the blame.

Maybe BB and Tom deserve some share in the blame but this and other reasons are why Googs sucks.

 

[Ring 6]

Its not the head-bob per se. Its the timing after Tom lifts his leg then the head bob, then the count then the hike.

The point is there was a major gaffe in changing it up and Googs is part of the blame.

Maybe BB and Tom deserve some share in the blame but this and other reasons are why Googs sucks.

The head bob is the trigger. Brady lifting his leg can't be the trigger because most of the players cannot see it.

I could accept that every offensive coach shares the blame be ausecyhry are a staff but the OL coach had no greater blame than anyone else.

The OC would be the most responsible with the QB almost equal because he is calling the play and snap count on the huddle and the HC because he's the HC.
The Wr, RB, TE, QB coach and OL coach would all be equally responsible just because they are offensive coaches and it's an offense issue.

 

[Gumby]

The head bob is the trigger. Brady lifting his leg can't be the trigger because most of the players cannot see it.

I could accept that every offensive coach shares the blame be ausecyhry are a staff but the OL coach had no greater blame than anyone else.

The OC would be the most responsible with the QB almost equal because he is calling the play and snap count on the huddle and the HC because he's the HC.
The Wr, RB, TE, QB coach and OL coach would all be equally responsible just because they are offensive coaches and it's an offense issue.

Andy, You are arguing that one specific part of the process wasn't the TELL, but not admitting the RESULT nor the FAILURE.

I'll give you that the head bob SHOULD NOT BE always the synchronizing point in time for the snap.

But at the end of the day, Von Miller and much of the Den DL were CORRECTLY ANTICIPATING the snap. (RESULT). Whether that was because Stork snapped directly after bobbing, or the RT looked [at the opposing DL ] immediately on 1-counts and slowly on 2/3-counts; just DOESNT MATTER TO ME. What does matter is that the OL coach FAILED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS and then FIX IT.

NEPs were once famous for ingame/half adjustments. Not that day and that was his part.

And at the end of the day BB has never FIRED guys you would consider successful. They got promoted away, retired, or stayed. GOOGs left WITHOUT A JOB IN HAND. To me, I call that FIRED. So I think BB agrees he was a bad coach (or at least not good 'here').

 

[Ring 6]

Andy, You are arguing that one specific part of the process wasn't the TELL, but not admitting the RESULT nor the FAILURE.

I'll give you that the head bob SHOULD NOT BE always the synchronizing point in time for the snap.

But at the end of the day, Von Miller and much of the Den DL were CORRECTLY ANTICIPATING the snap. (RESULT). Whether that was because Stork snapped directly after bobbing, or the RT looked immediately on 1-counts and slowly on 2/3-counts; just DOESNT MATTER TO ME. What does matter is that the OL coach FAILED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS and then FIX IT.

NEPs were once famous for ingame/half adjustments. Not that day and that was his part.

And at the end of the day BB has never FIRED guys you would consider successful. They got promoted away, retired, or stayed. GOOGs left WITHOUT A JOB IN HAND. To me, I call that FIRED. So I think BB agrees he was a bad coach (or at least not good 'here').

I am saying anyone who blames the snap count on the OL coach doesn't understand how a silent count works.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The head bob is the trigger. Brady lifting his leg can't be the trigger because most of the players cannot see it.

I could accept that every offensive coach shares the blame be ausecyhry are a staff but the OL coach had no greater blame than anyone else.

The OC would be the most responsible with the QB almost equal because he is calling the play and snap count on the huddle and the HC because he's the HC.
The Wr, RB, TE, QB coach and OL coach would all be equally responsible just because they are offensive coaches and it's an offense issue.

Of course the head bob is the trigger. The counts and behavior of the other OLs was the problem.

 

[Ring 6]

Of course the head bob is the trigger. The counts and behavior of the other OLs was the problem.

Thr count is not the OL coaches responsibility.

Not sure what this behavior of other OLs you are adding on here means.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Well, Foerster took the idea of a "line" coach in a completely new direction.

So, the bar is fairly low in Miami for his successor. I guess it depends to some degree on which DeGuglielmo shows up...the 2014 version or the 2015 version.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Only concern I have is his knowledge of the offensive philosophy that the Patriots employ..

His skills as an Oline coach make me smile tho

I doubt there's much he brings knowledge-wise about the o-line that they can't get from the tapes,

 

[neuronet]

I disagree. If a coach isn't monitoring his player's fundamentals and tendencies hes not doing his job.

And typically if BB is happy with how you are doing...you don't get fired.

 

[Froob]

If what Matt Light said was true and that the Denver's Defense keyed off of Storks head bobbing how in the hell did that continue all game? That's my only knock on Googs.

Bill deserves a lot of flack too for how that season went down, the coaching staff blew it that year. Followed it up with a hell of a job the next season.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Thr count is not the OL coaches responsibility.

Not sure what this behavior of other OLs you are adding on here means.

The coach is partially responsible for ensuring his player's success on the field.

Making sure the players are prepared is one aspect of it.

BB can't do everything, but is responsible...which is why he fired him.

Seeing that Tom has been a QB in the NFL since the Stone Age, I'm pretty sure he knew what to do.

The rest of the line did not.

Thats on Googs