Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

[PatsFanInVa]

This is an inane post. Joe thuney will be too old someday, so should we get rid of him now?

No, Andy, your post is inane.

I have never lobbied for getting rid of Brady now. See how that works?

Now then, you agree with me that by 2027, it would very likely to be a bad roster move to carry Tom Brady on the roster, particularly as the starting QB?

 

[Ring 6]

No, Andy, your post is inane.

I'm rubber, you're glue....

I have never lobbied for getting rid of Brady now. See how that works?

Then maybe you could write a non-rambling post and explain what your point is. 3 sentences should do it, and you can just cut out the rest of the attempt to sound intelligent that no one bothers to read.

 

[Simpelton]

I'm rubber, you're glue....


Then maybe you could write a non-rambling post and explain what your point is. 3 sentences should do it, and you can just cut out the rest of the attempt to sound intelligent that no one bothers to read.

If you're not bothering to read his posts, and yet trying to respond, then you've just revealed yourself to be ignorant. Deciding to insult someone else over your own ignorance is a confirmation of the obvious. Especially over ea hypothetical that is not even slightly difficult to comprehend even for a Simpelton like me, but you're deciding not to want to deal with and covering yourself by pretending it's incomprehensible. That makes you not just ignorant but willfully ignorant. The worst kind.

 

[Simpelton]

This is an inane post. Joe thuney will be too old someday, so should we get rid of him now?

The intellectual dishonesty is getting out of hand. NOBODY is saying to get rid of Brady now.

I think the most anyone has made in terms of an argument is getting rid of Brady before we lost an excellent potential replacement (or should I say, a replacement with excellent potential). The idea being maybe moving on after the 2018-2019 season, turn the franchise over to the understudy -- and miss out on maybe 2-3 more years of Brady's career in order to reposition the franchise for his successor, exactly the same way the 49ers did with Joe Montana.

Nobody knows that this sport is a business more than TB12. And every business decision is about meeting a goal. He'll make business decisions that line up with his goals, such as taking a pay cut to maximize BB's roster flexibility and allow him the maximum chance to build a winner. That's good business for both parties.

But Brady knows that the franchise has other goals. One of those goals is to continue to be a valid and prestigious football franchise years after TB12 has gone to pasture. We are first and foremost New England Patriot fans,, we are Tom Brady fans because we are Patriots fans, not the other way around. We know that players last for a set time, and when Brady's time is up, it's up, just like our other former greats, it's the laundry that needs to go on forever. I for one am anxious to ensure that the franchise survives Brady's departure. I see a choice between two metaphorical options, trying to stay in the air too long resulting in a crash, vs taking a carefully controlled landing at a time of our choosing. And I don't like the idea of crashing if we can help it.

We have a backup QB who has every chance of being an acceptable starter and possibly a very good one. And we have an aging quarterback who might or might not still be playing football in 3 years. The math seems obvious. Ride Brady into the ground and crash into the ground with him when the heir is right there with years of understudy experience? Let the heir go and if Brady falls apart prematurely, "figure out" the quarterback position then because that worked so well for the Jets after Joe Namath? Or have a plan and stick to it despite the opportunity to go double or nothing on a guy who's already doubled down several times on longevity being able to stabilize the position for the 3-4 more years it'll take to get the next successor lined up?

Quarterback is not a position you just let happen. Your quarterback defines your franchise, and you do not improvise at quarterback if you don't have to. You PLAN your moves at that position, for years in advance if you can. Especially when you have the luxury of time. A lot of people are seeing the decision to hold onto Garoppolo as a sign that that plan is in motion. And I for one agree that it is time to at least examine what a post-Brady Patriots franchise will look like and how to assemble the best possible Patriots franchise that does not have Tom Brady in it. And I'm sure BB is doing that because that's simple organizational due dilligence. And if that team looks better in 2 years than it does in 5 when Garoppolo is long gone, making some decisions based on that is the opposite of dumb or vindictive. It's just business.

 

[Ring 6]

If you're not bothering to read his posts, and yet trying to respond, then you've just revealed yourself to be ignorant. Deciding to insult someone else over your own ignorance is a confirmation of the obvious. Especially over ea hypothetical that is not even slightly difficult to comprehend even for a Simpelton like me, but you're deciding not to want to deal with and covering yourself by pretending it's incomprehensible. That makes you not just ignorant but willfully ignorant. The worst kind.

There is not a shred of accuracy in anything in this post. You have chosen your screen name wisely.

 

[Simpelton]

There is not a shred of accuracy in anything in you arethis post. You have chosen your screen name wisely.

you are lashing out like a small child put keyboard down and go outside

 

[Ring 6]

The intellectual dishonesty is getting out of hand. NOBODY is saying to get rid of Brady now.

Where did I say that?
There are MANY people who are saying at the point it's either Brady or jimmy, which is about 9 months away that they would prefer to dump Brady even if he plays in 2017 as he played in 2016.
Who do you keep in that scenario?

I think the most anyone has made in terms of an argument is getting rid of Brady before we lost an excellent potential replacement (or should I say, a replacement with excellent potential). The idea being maybe moving on after the 2018-2019 season, turn the franchise over to the understudy -- and miss out on maybe 2-3 more years of Brady's career in order to reposition the franchise for his successor, exactly the same way the 49ers did with Joe Montana.

You don't have that option.
Jimmys contract is up this year.

Nobody knows that this sport is a business more than TB12. And every business decision is about meeting a goal. He'll make business decisions that line up with his goals, such as taking a pay cut to maximize BB's roster flexibility and allow him the maximum chance to build a winner. That's good business for both parties.

That has nothing to do with dumping the GOAT while he is playing at his peak out of some strange fear that the backup whose contract is up could be good in his next team.

But Brady knows that the franchise has other goals.

Huh? I thought there gisl was doing what is best for the team??

One of those goals is to continue to be a valid and prestigious football franchise years after TB12 has gone to pasture.

That goal is not furthered by getting rid of Brady when he can still carry the team to championships.

We are first and foremost New England Patriot fans,, we are Tom Brady fans because we are Patriots fans, not the other way around.

Then why would you want to do what isn't best for the franchise?
BECAUSE I am a patriot fan first I want Brady as my QB as long as he can play at near this level.
I do not care that the correct backup could be good somewhere else because I won't sacrifice the GOAT to find out and there is no certainty at all that he will be any better than whoever the replacement in line happens to be when it is the right time.

We know that players last for a set time, and when Brady's time is up, it's up, just like our other former greats, it's the laundry that needs to go on forever. I for one am anxious to ensure that the franchise survives Brady's departure. I see a choice between two metaphorical options, trying to stay in the air too long resulting in a crash, vs taking a carefully controlled landing at a time of our choosing. And I don't like the idea of crashing if we can help it.

The time is not now and very likely not after this year or even next.

We have a backup QB who has every chance of being an acceptable starter and possibly a very good one. And we have an aging quarterback who might or might not still be playing football in 3 years. The math seems obvious. Ride Brady into the ground and crash into the ground with him when the heir is right there with years of understudy experience? Let the heir go and if Brady falls apart prematurely, "figure out" the quarterback position then because that worked so well for the Jets after Joe Namath? Or have a plan and stick to it despite the opportunity to go double or nothing on a guy who's already doubled down several times on longevity being able to stabilize the position for the 3-4 more years it'll take to get the next successor lined up?

Tom Brady is capable of carrying this team to championships. You get every ounce you can out of that and do not dump him too early because you fear the current backup might be better than the next one.
I will gladly trade a year or 2 step back for an extra championship or 2, but the step back is going to happen any way whether it's JAG or a different replacement.

Quarterback is not a position you just let happen. Your quarterback defines your franchise, and you do not improvise at quarterback if you don't have to. You PLAN your moves at that position, for years in advance if you can. Especially when you have the luxury of time. A lot of people are seeing the decision to hold onto Garoppolo as a sign that that plan is in motion. And I for one agree that it is time to at least examine what a post-Brady Patriots franchise will look like and how to assemble the best possible Patriots franchise that does not have Tom Brady in it. And I'm sure BB is doing that because that's simple organizational due dilligence. And if that team looks better in 2 years than it does in 5 when Garoppolo is long gone, making some decisions based on that is the opposite of dumb or vindictive. It's just business.

No one is saying don't think. You act as if dumping Brady is an intellectual excercise. Thinking it through fur all the reasons you yourself list, QB is important. And THIS QB is one that carries teams to championships.
Common sense is what's best for the franchise is to get every title you can while you have the one man in the history of the league who is the biggest difference between winning titles and not.
To say a thoughtful approach is to dump a guy who creates championships because the unitive backup might be better than the next unproven backup is insane.
You are trading potential championships for difference between one unproven backup or the next.

This is the point of this thread. People like you gave zero real appreciation for the GOAT because you think a guess at who is a better success is more valuable than a longer run if the greatness you have been so privileged to witness.

 

[Ring 6]

you are lashing out like a small child put keyboard down and go outside

No I am analyzing an awful post an telling you what I think of it.
If you are desperate for a pat on the back, post better.

Let's also recognize that you post had no content in it other than you trying to tell me what I think.
You missed by miles.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

at by 2027, it would very likely to be a bad roster move to carry Tom Brady on the roster, particularly as the starting QB

By 2027 TB12 is almost certainly retired. By 2027 JG is also extremely very likely to be retired. I could look up the average length of career for a QB drafted where Jimmy was drafted, but I feel certain that it is a lot less than 13 years.

Brady gives us a better chance to win in the forseeable future, IMO, whether you define "foreseeable future" as 1, 2, 3, 4, or even 5 years. To go beyond 5 years is pretty silly in a league where players last on average about 3 years.

Silly also is the notion that if you let JG "get away" then you are throwing out a guaranteed 10-year window of excellence. I am not claiming that you have made such an argument, but rather that it seems to be a too-common belief here in general.

 

[Simpelton]

By 2027 TB12 is almost certainly retired.

Then you agree that it is fair to discuss and consider plans to replace Tom Brady sometime between now and 2027, correct?

 

[Simpelton]

No I am analyzing an awful post an telling you what I think of it.
If you are desperate for a pat on the back, post better.

Let's also recognize that you post had no content in it other than you trying to tell me what I think.
You missed by miles.

your petulence belies your posturing.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Then you agree that it is fair to discuss and consider plans to replace Tom Brady sometime between now and 2027, correct?

yes,
1) when a decline in QB performance, overall, is evident; and
2) when the magnitude of that decline is sufficient that he is no longer a top 10 QB talent; and
3) when you are very confident that another QB on the roster (or that is attainable) is clearly more a skilled QB

right now we meet zero of those three criteria

 

[Simpelton]

yes,
1) when a decline in QB performance, overall, is evident; and
2) when the magnitude of that decline is sufficient that he is no longer a top 10 QB talent; and
3) when you are very confident that another QB on the roster (or that is attainable) is clearly more a skilled QB

right now we meet zero of those three criteria

So in other words we can only discuss PLANS BEING LAID for moving on from Brady IN THE FUTURE, when it's obvious he's already a dead duck? How does that make ANY sense at all

 

[PatriotsReign]

So in other words we can only discuss PLANS BEING LAID for moving on from Brady IN THE FUTURE, when it's obvious he's already a dead duck? How does that make ANY sense at all

It doesn't...and that's fact, not opinion

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

So in other words we can only discuss PLANS BEING LAID for moving on from Brady IN THE FUTURE, when it's obvious he's already a dead duck? How does that make ANY sense at all

Let's simply not discuss moving on from Brady when he is still, far and away, right now, absolutely and without a doubt, the best QB in the league.

When he's nowhere near a dead duck, but when he seems somewhat average (Andrew Luck level?), then assess your alternatives.

And by all means don't throw away 2-5 Tom Brady seasons for an unproven replacement who may be Steve Young but just as likely may be a Matt Flynn or Brock Osweiler.

 

[Ring 6]

Let's simply not discuss moving on from Brady when he is still, far and away, right now, absolutely and without a doubt, the best QB in the league.

When he's nowhere near a dead duck, but when he seems somewhat average (Andrew Luck level?), then assess your alternatives.

And by all means don't throw away 2-5 Tom Brady seasons for an unproven replacement who may be Steve Young but just as likely may be a Matt Flynn or Brock Osweiler.

But we have to discuss it now because Jimmy.

That's what is so ridiculous about this topic.
People actually think the decision of when to get rid of the GOAT should be based upon the contract status of the backup rather than the current level of play of the GOAT which is best in the NFL.

In other words instead of "preparing" for replacement when he can no longer play at this level people are preparing for dumping him even if he is still the best QB in the NFL because the backups contact is expiring.
The timetable is backwards.

 

[Ring 6]

your petulence belies your posturing.

No your posting is atrocious. I am neither petulant or posturing, you just are making awful posts, then doubling down.

 

[Tony2046]

Then you agree that it is fair to discuss and consider plans to replace Tom Brady sometime between now and 2027, correct?

You misread that post.

 

[Ring 6]

So in other words we can only discuss PLANS BEING LAID for moving on from Brady IN THE FUTURE, when it's obvious he's already a dead duck? How does that make ANY sense at all

If Brady falls apart this year and sucks then he is let go and if they can agree on a contraact jimmy becomes the first attempt at replacing him.

If Brady does not fall apart this year jimmys contract is up, he won't stay as a backup when someone else will pay him more to compete as a starter so he is gone. Then by the end of this year you have a better feel if brisset can be heir apparent it you need to find another.

DONE. That is the discussion and the planning as of now. It's pretty simple actually.

 

[XLIX]

The intellectual dishonesty is getting out of hand. NOBODY is saying to get rid of Brady now.

I think the most anyone has made in terms of an argument is getting rid of Brady before we lost an excellent potential replacement (or should I say, a replacement with excellent potential). The idea being maybe moving on after the 2018-2019 season, turn the franchise over to the understudy -- and miss out on maybe 2-3 more years of Brady's career in order to reposition the franchise for his successor, exactly the same way the 49ers did with Joe Montana.

It is not even remotely analogous to what the 49ers did with Montana/Young.

We have a backup QB who has every chance of being an acceptable starter and possibly a very good one. And we have an aging quarterback who might or might not still be playing football in 3 years. The math seems obvious.

Your math leaves out one very important fact: The Patriots have 1 year to make this decision, and cannot/will not keep them both beyond 2017.