Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

[CutiePie]

hmmmm...lifelong OffTheGrid bachelor?

i have never let my women push me around like that

they always know who wears the pants in the relationship

#alphamale

hey uncle joe.....miss ya

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

Brady's skills and abilities will pass at some point unfortunately. It will probably happen out of nowhere too. its just Father Time

 

[TommyD4207]

I've watched this week as many posters on this board have essentially said they would be fine with getting rid of Brady to keep Garoppolo while others are basically requesting him to retire and get out of JAGs way.

When belichick benched and cut Kosar, who had nothing left, Browns fans wanted to lynch him.

How can it be that less than 4 months after Brady played the greatest SB ever by a QB (after being the best QB in the NFL all season) to win his record 5th SB fans are almost asking Belichick to dump him?

Belichick made absolutely the 100% correct decision when he chose Testaverde over Kosar. He also made the right decision when he chose Brady over Bledsoe.

Fans are inherently stupid, and thank god they don't make roster decisions.

 

[Thelonious]

The above certainly applies to the regular Joe who sits 3 cubicles down in accounting. It does not apply to the greatest QB of all time.

No New Englander of age today will ever say "What was that guy's name?" in reference to Tom Brady.

Not likely, certainly, and my comment is by no means the entire or even likely the central truth of the matter, but how many contemporary fans have very little idea who Steve Grogan was as a player, or even the recently-retired Gino Capelletti, important to the Pats for decades? A sports team has a deeper historical sense than a widget factory, but that which is present will always find ascendency, in time ,over that which is past. As it should. Sic transit gloria mundi.

 

[Tony2046]

Not likely, certainly, and my comment is by no means the entire or even likely the central truth of the matter, but how many contemporary fans have very little idea who Steve Grogan was as a player, or even the recently-retired Gino Capelletti, important to the Pats for decades? A sports team has a deeper historical sense than a widget factory, but that which is present will always find ascendency, in time ,over that which is past. As it should. Sic transit gloria mundi.

I don't care how much lipstick you put on that pig of a point it still remains incorrect.

 

[aluminum seats]

First off, I'm definitely with you in regards to team Brady. Just to get that out of the way.

I don't see quite as many people wanting to run him out of town, though. I see a lot of people saying things like "he's good for another 2-3 years," which is probably a reasonable assessment. Their one and only argument is that it would be better to miss out on a year of Brady than missing out on what they believe is the next franchise QB for many years. My personal stance is that Belichick will obviously do what's best for the team, and that they'll carry a nice chunk of cap space over into next year, which may give them the necessary flexibility to think outside the box and go into unprecedented waters. Yes, it sounds crazy, but Kraft has always had a franchise QB, and Belichick/Adams/JMcD all realize the importance of the position.

In other words, I think consideration could be given to a succession plan. While unlikely, it's not totally out of left field. First we need to get through this year and see what kind of variables are added/subtracted in the scenario. Belichick has already surprised us by turning down high picks (supposedly) for a year of a backup QB, when he's had a bunch of nobodies throughout Brady's career. That would seem a bit odd without the context of a bigger picture, but who knows?

The situation with Bernie Kosar was fueled by the fact that he was a local, hometown hero (about an hour away. We went to the same school district in Boardman), and the fact that Belichick was a brand new unproven coach who many felt had a piss poor attitude. Those two factors played a part, as did the fact that CLE had tasted some actual success for the first time in many years. Even though they had lost all 3 conference championships, people were hopeful and scared of the unknown. An abrasive new coach coming in and taking out the veteran, local hero didn't sit well. That explained some of the pitchforks and torches.

Good post..I do think it's funny that the tone of some posters here compels you to say you like Tom Brady before continuing though. Man.

 

[Ring 6]

You may be "considering" all angles, but many of them outrage you.

Not outrage just deep unequivocal disagreement.

 

[Ring 6]

As often happens your wording makes it difficult to follow you, but if you're saying fans want Belichick to "get rid of Brady" now, you're really just making things up.

My wording is fine and yes, read the board.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Rubbish about the "disloyal" fanbase.

People are processing data points in their own way, recognizing that they have incomplete data.

This notion that because one player is the outlier of all outliers means that emotion trumps reason is absurd. Ask Brady's dad.

I'm not rooting for any outcome other than the one the Pats come up with. I think a good '17 means a mad scramble to make the money work -- they've done it before. If it can be done, and needs to be, perhaps a mad scramble after '18 as well (less likely). But you don't sink the franchise to keep avoiding the tough decision.

At 42 we can blame the Pats for pulling the trigger too early, especially if his season is great... same if somehow, you convince Polo to hold a clipboard one more time in '19, although I don't see that happening. By then, it becomes "all in with Brady."

@AndyJohnson, my heart says keep Brady until the stadiums all crumble to sand. Whether this happens, despite the emotions here, is not ours to know, at least not yet.

Regarding Gisele pillow talk and what big alpha males y'awl are, "Alpha Brady" is either (1) in control of his woman, whom he dragged out by the hair to say he had concussions every year, or (2) married to a relatively strong woman with at least the intelligence to worry about the impact of the game on him.

From there, family life is not known to us. There have been wives of strong men who have had quite a bit of influence on said men's decisions -- not to mention children of strong men.

The fierce competitor at work can always be a very different man at home. Did you guys set up microphones and webcams?

I don't have that knowledge (the home life dynamic.) It must be comforting for those here who do. Any speculation that home life can have no influence is as speculative as speculation that home life has an extreme influence.

I guarantee you that there is no "checkpoint Charlie," where his wife and family's druthers have zero effect, conscious or unconscious. The question isn't whether, it's how much.

Sorry, I know it's all black and white, and your genitals are bigger if you shout to the rooftops what an alpha male you are, but LMAO.

 

[primetime]

I don't care about what's good for the team, because who really knows and it's a pretty boring argument, as evidenced by this impossibly boring thread.

All of you are missing the real reason to prefer Jimmy G over Brady. We should have a tall, strong, handsome Italian stallion at quarterback rather than someone of apelike, degenerate Irish stock.

 

[SacPete1]

I don't really care to get into a comparison with Kosar and Browns fans but I have seen quite a few posts speculating on what they think may happen next year given that JG was not traded this off season. I think the speculation is fair but that's all it really is.

My view is this. I completely disregard the idea that Brady's skills will suddenly diminish because of age or that his next injury if it happens will result in the same or that he will have a more challenging recovery simply because of age.

I look at Manning, Favre and Moon and none of them kept care of themselves like Brady (Moon was in good shape but he even admitted his diet and offseason training was nothing special) and I think this is what defies Father time for Brady. Not to say that it will not rear its head some day but the assumption is that at 40 he can't have much left but this is a man that is healthier than a someone in their early 30's.
I think Brady's desire or priorities in life will ultimately drive his decision to stop playing.

All that being said, I think Brady easily has 5 more excellent years left and as promising as JG has looked in limited action, if he became 75% of the player Brady is, he would be a top 5 QB in the NFL. Brady is far and away the best player at the most important position in football and 5 more years of him would give them the best chance at more championships.

 

[Ring 6]

Belichick made absolutely the 100% correct decision when he chose Testaverde over Kosar. He also made the right decision when he chose Brady over Bledsoe.

Fans are inherently stupid, and thank god they don't make roster decisions.

Of course belichick made the right decision that isn't the point.
The point is that browns fans were distraught at the end of Kosars career while patriot fans are welcoming in and looking forward to the end of Brady.

No one is saying fans should make roster decisions. I am saying it's a sad thing that fans are turning on Brady.

 

[Nunchucks]

This thread is a joke. Belichick will make the decision and we will all live with it. Everybody ages, and when that happens you heal slower, it is harder to get out of bed, you got aches, and you get injured easier. Even people who are in great shape suffer these setbacks.

Better a year early than a year late.

 

[patsfan13]

Of course belichick made the right decision that isn't the point.
The point is that browns fans were distraught at the end of Kosars career while patriot fans are welcoming in and looking forward to the end of Brady.

No one is saying fans should make roster decisions. I am saying it's a sad thing that fans are turning on Brady.

Nonsense, NO ONE that I have seen on ts board "welcomes" the end of Brady's career.

We do try to look at the actions of BB over the past year. We read the tea leaves and speculate about what the actions of the team mean.

We do trust that BB knows more than anybody on the planet football, he doesn't need advice from fans.

Most here are hoping that JG (or JB) can be 75% of what Brady is. That would mean we have another HoF QB going forward. That would be far better than a generation in the wilderness like other teams have experienced (Cowboy's, Steelers, 49er's).

 

[The Boston Patriot]

 

[Ring 6]

Nonsense, NO ONE that I have seen on ts board "welcomes" the end of Brady's career.

We do try to look at the actions of BB over the past year. We read the tea leaves and speculate about what the actions of the team mean.

We do trust that BB knows more than anybody on the planet football, he doesn't need advice from fans.

Most here are hoping that JG (or JB) can be 75% of what Brady is. That would mean we have another HoF QB going forward. That would be far better than a generation in the wilderness like other teams have experienced (Cowboy's, Steelers, 49er's).

Then you aren't reading the board. Have a nice day.

 

[Ring 6]

Better a year early than a year late.

I disagree because we are talking about the GOAT and a year early very likely means a SB less.
The difference between JAG and whoever is not worth throwing a SB away for.

But I'm curious about this statement.
Are you saying that is best for the patriots is get rid of Tom Brady while he can still play at this level so you can avoid having him around the year he breaks down?
If he breaks down THIS YEAR are you saying it would have been better to cut him LAST YEAR?
Cliches are tricky so I want to understand if you really mean that.

 

[Thelonious]

I don't care how much lipstick you put on that pig of a point it still remains incorrect.

Uh huh. You struggle with nuance, I see. The truth is generally more complex than simple minds can grasp: must be frustrating for you.

 

[XLIX]

Not likely, certainly, and my comment is by no means the entire or even likely the central truth of the matter, but how many contemporary fans have very little idea who Steve Grogan was as a player, or even the recently-retired Gino Capelletti, important to the Pats for decades? A sports team has a deeper historical sense than a widget factory, but that which is present will always find ascendency, in time ,over that which is past. As it should. Sic transit gloria mundi.

How many Super Bowls did Steve Grogan and Gino Capelletti win?

 

[Nunchucks]

I disagree because we are talking about the GOAT and a year early very likely means a SB less.
The difference between JAG and whoever is not worth throwing a SB away for.

But I'm curious about this statement.
Are you saying that is best for the patriots is get rid of Tom Brady while he can still play at this level so you can avoid having him around the year he breaks down?
If he breaks down THIS YEAR are you saying it would have been better to cut him LAST YEAR?
Cliches are tricky so I want to understand if you really mean that.

Ifs and buts...last year is over, we have this year and next year.