Cap Implications of Keeping Brady AND Garoppolo

[zydecochris]

Really? You think those are his only options? Retire or get divorced?

I think their marriage is strong enough that they can survive a disagreement, especially one rooted in her love for him and his well being.

That is a fair point, but I would argue something like this rises above a simple disagreement like whether to move to a bigger house. And, although we as outside observers don't really know, the fact that to outside appearances the marriage appears strong is exactly the point. When you are in a strong marriage you at least pay close attention to the wishes of your wife and kids, particularly if it is health related (and obviously Brady is SUPER health conscious). He has been pounded and slammed to the ground for sixteen years now. Of course his wife, and likely other family members, are worried about post concussive syndrome, and Gisele has made this point publicly. I would be surprised if Brady is completely blowing off these health related concerns from his family, and as possibly the smartest NFL player ever (who thrives on research) I expect Brady has researched the subject and is concerned himself, he doesn't want to be a burden on his family in 25 years. My opinion is that he won't play more than 1-3 years, even if he is at the top of his game. Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Yet ironically you throw personal insults at me for my opinion.

I throw personal insults at you primarily because you're a rock-brained tool who thinks that only you have the right answer to anything.
And because when people ask you direct questions that challenge your opinions you are too cowardly to answer them.
And because you are too cowardly or insecure to ever admit it when you're wrong. (Got to see lots of that in the many Malcolm Butler threads.)
And because because you're either stupid enough or disingenuous enough to constantly mischaracterize what other posters say.
(And that's even before taking into account your thinking that making a rape joke (oh sorry, a "punishment" joke) about Brady's wife is funny, which is a new low even for you.)

 

[goheels22002]

I can't believe how "fans" on this board are selling out Tom Brady. It's disgusting.

Brady's going to turn 40 on August 3, 2017. Nobody's selling him out. It is what it is.

 

[Ring 6]

I throw personal insults at you primarily because you're a rock-brained tool who thinks that only you have the right answer to anything.

No you throw personal insults because you are a weak minded person who can't stand an anonymous person disagreeing with them on a message board so rather than discuss the issue you insult the messenger.

And because when people ask you direct questions that challenge your opinions you are too cowardly to answer them.

I answer every direct question asked. You did not ask a direct question you asked a hypothetical that was itrelevant to the discussion. You asked to make decision as if you knew information not available at the time if the decision. I proceeded to answer the entire actual situation rather than a pointless hypothetical. Ask a real question you get a real answer.

And because you are too cowardly or insecure to ever admit it when you're wrong. (Got to see lots of that in the many Malcolm Butler threads.)

I will gladly admit when I am wrong. I am sure I am wrong often because I offer many opinions about how I think things will turn out. You seem to think that I am supposed "admit" my prediction us wrong before there is a result.
That is ignorant.
Feel free to find anything you can show I was wrong about and if I was I will gladly admit it.

And because because you're either stupid enough or disingenuous enough to constantly mischaracterize what other posters say.

I never do that actually. Never. You don't know what you are talking about.

(And that's even before taking into account your thinking that making a rape joke (oh sorry, a "punishment" joke) about Brady's wife is funny, which is a new low even for you.)

Oh now it was a rape joke lol.
Grow a sense of humor. It was a harmless joke.
I'm now supposed to apologize making a joke that included a sexual innuendo about a woman who did a scene in a movie where she groped and felt up another woman while a bunch of men looked on and drooled?
She herself would clearly not have been offended by my joke because she herself made a more provocative one.
But by all means go ahead and be a prudish little guy.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady's going to turn 40 on August 3, 2017. Nobody's selling him out. It is what it is.

And he is he best QB in the NFL who must people feel us about to lead this team to its 2rd championship in 4 years yet must fans are willing to cast him aside to not lose an unproven backup.
That is selling him out.

 

[Ring 6]

That is a fair point, but I would argue something like this rises above a simple disagreement like whether to move to a bigger house. And, although we as outside observers don't really know, the fact that to outside appearances the marriage appears strong is exactly the point. When you are in a strong marriage you at least pay close attention to the wishes of your wife and kids, particularly if it is health related (and obviously Brady is SUPER health conscious). He has been pounded and slammed to the ground for sixteen years now. Of course his wife, and likely other family members, are worried about post concussive syndrome, and Gisele has made this point publicly. I would be surprised if Brady is completely blowing off these health related concerns from his family, and as possibly the smartest NFL player ever (who thrives on research) I expect Brady has researched the subject and is concerned himself, he doesn't want to be a burden on his family in 25 years. My opinion is that he won't play more than 1-3 years, even if he is at the top of his. Game. Just my 2 cents worth.

It's amazing to me that people operate in a manner that makes them think the first time they hear about a private issue publicly is the first time it ever happened.
Why wouldn't you understand that they have discussed the dangers of football ever since the day they met it at least the day they considered.
Why would you think that there is a change in their relationship or plan on addressing this simply because she said it in an interview.
People are acting like OMG she brought up concussions now Tom is going to have to answer to her about football being risky and she will make him retire.
If that were the case he would have retired 5 years ago.

 

[Joker]

yes, she's known all along these fifteen years...the point is it's NOW, going into THIS season, that she's delineated exactly how she feels and revealed her worries over further concussions for her husband. He did NOT retort, downplay, pooh pooh or otherwise minimize her NATIONALLY TELEVISED concerns.

It is quite possible, given the recent public body language by both people in a high profile marriage, that there has been a plan or agreement that THIS be his final year. He can always say, after going out on top, "oh I wanted to play another five years and I could have done it BUT, my family comes first. If my wife is worried about our future and that of our children, THAT is my number 1 concern that supercedes playing more seasons in the NFL". This easily lets him go out a winner, gold plates his image as a family man, and implicitly reinforces the fears of damage done from concussive episodes on an NFL field.

People in THIS strata of society where the air is certainly rarified, they DON'T just blindly go on national TV and blurt out fears for their future because of NFL concussion issues. That appearance was planned well in advance. These two are extremely intelligent, certainly media savvy celebrities. Everything they do is planned, strategic and Giselle is proven mastermind when it comes to public image.

What I'm saying is, I think they may be a well thought out exit plan for this season, and we're watching the machinations as the year progresses. Life post Brady is a certainty after 16 seasons in the NFL. Belichick will still be coach, as will the system. Jimmy G may be the future,may not but with him and Brissett they at least have talent they believe they can develop. This franchise has always been the outlier since BB took over. If Brady leaves after this season I will celebrate and praise these past 16 years he gave us, but I'm not going to be heartbroken that the Pats are moving forward. The fact is, I'm sorta excited to see what the future holds for our Pats. I'm going to die someday, and on that day I will die a Patriots fan.

This being said, I hope TB plays until he's FIFTY.

 

[ivanvamp]

Boy it's been a real joy to watch this thread, designed to talk about the cap implications for the Patriots if they decided they wanted to try to keep JG and Brady into 2018 (or maybe beyond), devolve into....this.

 

[Ring 6]

yes, she's known all along these fifteen years...the point is it's NOW, going into THIS season, that she's delineated exactly how she feels and revealed her worries over further concussions for her husband. He did NOT retort, downplay, pooh pooh or otherwise minimize her NATIONALLY TELEVISED concerns.

Just because you first heard something about it now doesn't mean anything has changed between them.

Why in the world would he respond to her comments in an interview?
His agent did however respond that he was not diagnosed with a concussion. Who do you suppose directed him to say that?

It is quite possible, given the recent public body language by both people in a high profile marriage, that there has been a plan or agreement that THIS be his final year. He can always say, after going out on top, "oh I wanted to play another five years and I could have done it BUT, my family comes first. If my wife is worried about our future and that of our children, THAT is my number 1 concern that supercedes playing more seasons in the NFL". This easily lets him go out a winner, gold plates his image as a family man, and implicitly reinforces the fears of damage done from concussive episodes on an NFL field.

You are shoveling ten pounds of manure into a five pound bag.
You have created an entirely made up story to make everything Brady has ever said a phone lie in order to find meaning in his wife's words.
What we have:
Brady says he wants to play at least 5 more years.
Brady acknowledges that his wife would like him to retire but he will not.
Brady's wife says concussions worry her. (As if they didn't for the last 10 years).
Seems status quo to me.

People in THIS strata of society where the air is certainly rarified, they DON'T just blindly go on national TV and blurt out fears for their future because of NFL concussion issues. That appearance was planned well in advance.

You have nothing to base that on.

These two are extremely intelligent, certainly media savvy celebrities. Everything they do is planned, strategic and Giselle is proven mastermind when it comes to public image.

It is not mutually exclusive for Brady's wife to be worried about concussions and Brady to continue to play football. Otherwise he would have retired years ago. Or are you saying she just learned about concussions?

What I'm saying is, I think they may be a well thought out exit plan for this season, and we're watching the machinations as the year progresses. Life post Brady is a certainty after 16 seasons in the NFL. Belichick will still be coach, as will the system. Jimmy G may be the future,may not but with him and Brissett they at least have talent they believe they can develop. This franchise has always been the outlier since BB took over. If Brady leaves after this season I will celebrate and praise these past 16 years he gave us, but I'm not going to be heartbroken that the Pats are moving forward. The fact is, I'm sorta excited to see what the future holds for our Pats. I'm going to die someday, and on that day I will die a Patriots fan.

This being said, I hope TB plays until he's FIFTY.

Your last sentence should have been your only

 

[Joker]

Sorry my opinion offends you so much. It shouldn't but whatever gets you through whatever it is you're going through is fine with me. Time will reveal reality one way or the other. I can wait without all the histrionics, after all this isn't an opinion contest with far reaching implications but merely a message board to bounce ideas off each other...or so I thought.

 

[mgteich]

I suggest that this thread be made a sticky, so that we post on it until the day JAG or Brady leave.

 

[Joker]

sort of a pre-emptive solution to the possible thread proliferation ala "Deflategate"? I agree...sticky it

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Presently we know very much what we have in TFB, until we don't. We do not know how quickly the decline comes, or when it comes. 5 years from now is his idea of it. We'll see whether there are any management moves that signal that they agree that 45 is a good back-of-the-envelope figure for that time.

Here are some things that might be being said that we don't know about (now or in the near future).

"Tommy when they say 'when' will you just accept it? It is time, meu amor..."
or,
"Nice job with the concussion thing, G, that'll keep 'em guessing..."
or,
"Damn, you just had to say that, didn't you..."

"You're my Steve Young but you need to be patient"
or
"Nice 6 quarters, what else you got?"
or
"I'd like to say that didn't suck... try it again. You're Brian Hoyer, you really want to be Brian Hoyer?"

"Better a year early than a year late, game it out, Ernie. Tell me when to pull that trigger."

"Screw 'em, Don, if they want me after pulling this garappollo stuff, make 'em pay. I said I'd play until I was 45, I didn't say I'd play cheap."

And about a million other things behind various closed doors.

I agree it's a nice 52 man roster. I also know that this "they must carry exactly the best 52 we can winnow this team down to b/c Brady must have the best X years humanly possible" viewpoint is one of our viewpoints, not BB's.

We'll all watch and see what happens. To me, I have no stake in it. I don't even know whether BB buys the Garappollo hype. Hell, to hear him tell it sometimes, he barely buys the GOAT "hype." He stays humble, or talks that way, and he expects even TFB to stay humble and when there comes a day when he's competing for the job, to compete for the job.

And nobody's giving us the answers we want until the team is ready to announce those answers.

I'm solidly in the "I have no idea of the answer" camp. To them, JG might just be another backup, but one that it looked like they could get some draft picks for. The whole "not letting go unless the price is astronomical" thing might have been the world's biggest bluff, that the league, en masse, just called.

But if it's not a bluff, the explanation is that the Pats think he's something special.

I see the argument progressing to "super special in your early 40s but who knows for how long vs. maybe special in young 20s, and who knows how special." Predictable conversation under these circumstances.

We'll see as the years pass which part of our assumptions approximated reality. For now, I like our chances in 2017 You know, we're on to Kansas City and all that.

 

[supafly]

Boy it's been a real joy to watch this thread, designed to talk about the cap implications for the Patriots if they decided they wanted to try to keep JG and Brady into 2018 (or maybe beyond), devolve into....this.

First off, kudos for attempting to start a thread on an important topic. The fact remains that while it's very unlikely to happen, there are options available to revisit the situation after 1-2 more years.

We've already seen Belichick pass on a high draft pick to revisit things prior to the 2018 season, and they will most certainly carry over a nice chunk of money into next year (an idea that was shot down by a vocal member of this thread many times), which will continue to allow them excellent flexibility as it pertains to the cap.

Attempting to predict the specifics may be an exercise in futility though, as no one knows for sure and everyone will have a different opinion. That won't stop daily pissing matches from occurring just the same as they did prior to the draft.

 

[ivanvamp]

First off, kudos for attempting to start a thread on an important topic. The fact remains that while it's very unlikely to happen, there are options available to revisit the situation after 1-2 more years.

We've already seen Belichick pass on a high draft pick to revisit things prior to the 2018 season, and they will most certainly carry over a nice chunk of money into next year (an idea that was shot down by a vocal member of this thread many times), which will continue to allow them excellent flexibility as it pertains to the cap.

Attempting to predict the specifics may be an exercise in futility though, as no one knows for sure and everyone will have a different opinion. That won't stop daily pissing matches from occurring just the same as they did prior to the draft.

Thanks. And yeah, no doubt. I just wanted ONE FRIGGING THREAD where we could actually talk about how it might be possible for the Patriots to keep both TB and JG for a few more years together, and what the financial and roster ramifications would likely be in such a scenario. Given that BB has NOT traded JG (he may still, but he hasn't yet), clearly the idea of him wanting to keep both is at least a POSSIBILITY.

All I wanted was to have a nice conversation about THAT.

But no, some folks just weren't fine with that.

 

[Ring 6]

Sorry my opinion offends you so much. It shouldn't but whatever gets you through whatever it is you're going through is fine with me. Time will reveal reality one way or the other. I can wait without all the histrionics, after all this isn't an opinion contest with far reaching implications but merely a message board to bounce ideas off each other...or so I thought.

It doesn't offend me I just find it contrived, based in wild conjecture and incorrect.

 

[Ring 6]

Boy it's been a real joy to watch this thread, designed to talk about the cap implications for the Patriots if they decided they wanted to try to keep JG and Brady into 2018 (or maybe beyond), devolve into....this.

Boo hoo. I'm sorry your idea of a thread, one that commanded to eliminate some of the most important aspects of the issue turned into the aspects people actually wanted to talk about and no one wanted to play under your rules.
Happens sometimes. Buck up.

 

[IllegalContact]

No you throw personal insults because you are a weak minded person who can't stand an anonymous person disagreeing with them on a message board so rather than discuss the issue you insult the messenger.



I answer every direct question asked. You did not ask a direct question you asked a hypothetical that was itrelevant to the discussion. You asked to make decision as if you knew information not available at the time if the decision. I proceeded to answer the entire actual situation rather than a pointless hypothetical. Ask a real question you get a real answer.




I will gladly admit when I am wrong. I am sure I am wrong often because I offer many opinions about how I think things will turn out. You seem to think that I am supposed "admit" my prediction us wrong before there is a result.
That is ignorant.
Feel free to find anything you can show I was wrong about and if I was I will gladly admit it.




I never do that actually. Never. You don't know what you are talking about.




Oh now it was a rape joke lol.
Grow a sense of humor. It was a harmless joke.
I'm now supposed to apologize making a joke that included a sexual innuendo about a woman who did a scene in a movie where she groped and felt up another woman while a bunch of men looked on and drooled?
She herself would clearly not have been offended by my joke because she herself made a more provocative one.
But by all means go ahead and be a prudish little guy.

You just need to go over one thread to see you insulting an entire group of people with a particular mindset

Take a step back please.....mind the gap

 

[ivanvamp]

Boo hoo. I'm sorry your idea of a thread, one that commanded to eliminate some of the most important aspects of the issue turned into the aspects people actually wanted to talk about and no one wanted to play under your rules.
Happens sometimes. Buck up.

It happens because people like you just need to say what you want to say instead of respecting what the thread is about.

Yeah it happens. Sadly.

 

[Ring 6]

It happens because people like you just need to say what you want to say instead of respecting what the thread is about.

Yeah it happens. Sadly.

This is a message board. Threads evolve.
People talk about what they want to talk about.
In this case you started a thread that wished to ignore very important factors about the topic and people chose to discuss those factors. Get over it.

Starting a thread doesn't make you exalted ruler of the thread it makes you the person who started the conversation that then goes in whatever direction the people in the community you chose to start it in wish to take it.