Cap Implications of Keeping Brady AND Garoppolo

[convertedpatsfan]

I struggle to understand how pondering Brady's future if he choked in the SB or citing QBs who declined with no commonalities to Brady is saying the same thing as me saying there is nothing indicating Brady is anywhere near the end.

Giving evidence of the likelihood or decline or inventing an alternative universe where he is a failure would seem unequivicoably to be an attempt to imply the end may be near.

We differ in that I see no evidence the end is near and you are making up incongruent examples to imply the end is near.

If you can't understand that please respond to someone who won't challenge the folly of your approach.
No one is forcing you to defend your position, if you do not want to, do not reply to my posts. But if you want to reply to my posts my responses will be to expect you to defend your position.
Simple as that.

Well, I was wrong about agreeing on one of those two points. I believe that we won't know when the decline will come, while you seem pretty convinced that the decline will not come soon. Which is fine, but then you say I'm implying I know how it ends. Which is strange.

I don't mind if we disagree. I do mind you making up things that I've supposedly said.

You've claimed that I am implying I know how Brady's career will end. Where exactly did I say that? I re-read my last few posts trying to understand, but I don't see it. I don't know how it ends. I've said that numerous times.

Meanwhile you're taking the position that there's no decline whatsoever so there's no end in sight. But we don't know that. We can guess, but my point is we can't know. You bring up Marino's injury, but that could happen to Brady too. I hope not, but again, we don't know.

It could end in training camp. It could end 10 years from now. We don't know.

Let me repeat: we don't know.

Let me repeat again: we (including you) don't know.

You've also claimed I am implying the end of Brady's career is near because of the hypothetical. I just re-read it and I don't see that. The point I was trying to make (which I think almost everyone but you got) was that Brady will now be treated as guilty until proven innocent. If he has a poor game, the stories will come out about the possible decline. It might just be a bad day. It might be the flu. It might be a defensive wrinkle that took some time to figure out. It might be the weather. But it will be treated as the beginning of the end until he has another good game.

The entire narrative of the off-season would have changed from one half of football going differently. It's not fair. But it's how that would have went. That was the point. Brady is on trial now for the crime of old age, and he continues to plead his innocence and win appeal after appeal. But that doesn't stop the prosecutors from continuing to try and get him.

As I said earlier, I don't mind disagreeing. I just would appreciate you not putting words into my mouth on opinions I haven't taken.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The complete anthithesis of the way BB has built this franchise would be to let a large number of starters and role players leave, and not have money to adequately replace them by spending it on a back up QB.

Also, why in the world would garoppolo stay a FIFTH and SIXTH year as a backup when I'm sure he believes he could start on many teams and at least a few of them would give him the chance?

Garoppolo's future in NE hinges on Brady retiring (almost zero chance of that) or falling apart in the next 9 months, going from best in the league to useless.

It's funny to me that the same people who are talking about 19-0 and winning the 3rd SB in 4 years are the same ones trying to ride the GOAT out of town to make sure we hang on to the unproven guy with some potential.

Devil's advocate: All that we have observed in NE is BB's actions with a great QB in his pocket. So if you're playing the "How BB Operates" card, your data points are different. In fact, they harken back more to the 2001 off-season. Just not yet.

I don't know what I will feel about this in 5 years... right now I feel like "thank God our 'how BB operates' algorithm is inherently limited."

Back to the thread...

 

[Ring 6]

Well, I was wrong about agreeing on one of those two points. I believe that we won't know when the decline will come, while you seem pretty convinced that the decline will not come soon. Which is fine, but then you say I'm implying I know how it ends. Which is strange.

I don't mind if we disagree. I do mind you making up things that I've supposedly said.

You've claimed that I am implying I know how Brady's career will end. Where exactly did I say that? I re-read my last few posts trying to understand, but I don't see it. I don't know how it ends. I've said that numerous times.

Implying and saying, by definition, are 2 different things.
If we discuss Tom Brady's future and your end of the discussion is listing past QBs who fell apart at a younger age and creating out of thin air a scenario where he would be near the end if he didn't play the way he played in the SB, (in this case saying he got blown out instead of putting up the greatest performance ever by a SB QB) then you are implying the end is near.

Meanwhile you're taking the position that there's no decline whatsoever so there's no end in sight. But we don't know that. We can guess, but my point is we can't know.

There is no decline and do you understand what IN SIGHT means?

You bring up Marino's injury, but that could happen to Brady too. I hope not, but again, we don't know.

It hasn't. If Brady tears his Achilles during this season then that would be evidence the end is near. But the fact that someone else did once is not.

It could end in training camp. It could end 10 years from now. We don't know.

Exactly so why are you contriving arguments about alternative realities and former QBs?

Let me repeat: we don't know.

Let me repeat again: we (including you) don't know.

Nope. But we do know he is playing as well as ever, is healthy, has no debilitating injury, takes better care of himself than any QB ever, and says he feels less pain between games now than in his 20s. THAT is the evidence to draw speculation on not what happened to other QBs or what people would say in an alternative universe where he played crappy instead of the best ever in the SB.
Think about that for a second. Your are offering an argument that the man who play the greatest QB game in SB history should have his future viewed through they eyes of what people would be saying if he played like Mark Sanchez. That is beyond ridiculous and pointless.

You've also claimed I am implying the end of Brady's career is near because of the hypothetical. I just re-read it and I don't see that. The point I was trying to make (which I think almost everyone but you got) was that Brady will now be treated as guilty until proven innocent.

By who? Not the man in charge.
Fans on this board have already turned in him and you know what that means? Nothing. Well it means patriot fans have less regard and respect for Tom Brady than browns fans had for Bernie Kosar.

If he has a poor game, the stories will come out about the possible decline.

Who cares.

It might just be a bad day. It might be the flu. It might be a defensive wrinkle that took some time to figure out. It might be the weather. But it will be treated as the beginning of the end until he has another good game.

By people who are meaningless.

The entire narrative of the off-season would have changed from one half of football going differently.

Brady EARNED what he did in that game. It's disrespectful to take it away from him and say if he sucked people would view him differently.
Let's talk about how he would be viewed if he had vinny teataverdes career. It's the same thing.

It's not fair. But it's how that would have went.

YOU THINK

That was the point. Brady is on trial now for the crime of old age

Only by the ignorant.

, and he continues to plead his innocence and win appeal after appeal. But that doesn't stop the prosecutors from continuing to try and get him.

Again only the ignorant.

As I said earlier, I don't mind disagreeing. I just would appreciate you not putting words into my mouth on opinions I haven't taken.

I haven't done that. When you at x and it implies y and I point that out it is not putting words in your mouth.

 

[Ring 6]

Devil's advocate: All that we have observed in NE is BB's actions with a great QB in his pocket. So if you're playing the "How BB Operates" card, your data points are different. In fact, they harken back more to the 2001 off-season. Just not yet.

I don't know what I will feel about this in 5 years... right now I feel like "thank God our 'how BB operates' algorithm is inherently limited."

Back to the thread...

He still has a great QB in his pocket.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Implying and saying, by definition, are 2 different things.
If we discuss Tom Brady's future and your end of the discussion is listing past QBs who fell apart at a younger age and creating out of thin air a scenario where he would be near the end if he didn't play the way he played in the SB, (in this case saying he got blown out instead of putting up the greatest performance ever by a SB QB) then you are implying the end is near.



There is no decline and do you understand what IN SIGHT means?




It hasn't. If Brady tears his Achilles during this season then that would be evidence the end is near. But the fact that someone else did once is not.

It could end in training camp. It could end 10 years from now. We don't know.
Exactly so why are you contriving arguments about alternative realities and former QBs?


Nope. But we do know he is playing as well as ever, is healthy, has no debilitating injury, takes better care of himself than any QB ever, and says he feels less pain between games now than in his 20s. THAT is the evidence to draw speculation on not what happened to other QBs or what people would say in an alternative universe where he played crappy instead of the best ever in the SB.
Think about that for a second. Your are offering an argument that the man who play the greatest QB game in SB history should have his future viewed through they eyes of what people would be saying if he played like Mark Sanchez. That is beyond ridiculous and pointless.


By who? Not the man in charge.
Fans on this board have already turned in him and you know what that means? Nothing. Well it means patriot fans have less regard and respect for Tom Brady than browns fans had for Bernie Kosar.




Who cares.


By people who are meaningless.


Brady EARNED what he did in that game. It's disrespectful to take it away from him and say if he sucked people would view him differently.
Let's talk about how he would be viewed if he had vinny teataverdes career. It's the same thing.





YOU THINK




Only by the ignorant.


Again only the ignorant.


I haven't done that. When you at x and it implies y and I point that out it is not putting words in your mouth.

So I haven't actually said what you think I am saying.

Thanks for confirming. I thought I was going crazy.

The points I make are related to other things that you keep thinking imply something else. I'm okay with that because I know what I mean, as do most others.

Feel free to imagine whatever else you want though. I just needed confirmation it was all in your head.

 

[Ring 6]

So I haven't actually said what you think I am saying.

Thanks for confirming. I thought I was going crazy.

The points I make are related to other things that you keep thinking imply something else. I'm okay with that because I know what I mean, as do most others.

Feel free to imagine whatever else you want though. I just needed confirmation it was all in your head.

They imply what they imply.

You said exactly what I think you said but you are choosing to pretend they don't mean what they mean.

let me illustrate.

Is Julian Edelman near the end?

Wes welker played the same position and dropped off the shelf. Troy brown too. Austin collie was even younger.
If Edelman had dropped 5 passes in the SB people would be saying cut him now so it's that close.


If you really think those statements aren't implying Edelman is likely at or near the end (not only the statements but the choice to make them despite the lack of integrity to them) you aren't being honest.

 

[Ring 6]

So I haven't actually said what you think I am saying.

Thanks for confirming. I thought I was going crazy.

The points I make are related to other things that you keep thinking imply something else. I'm okay with that because I know what I mean, as do most others.

Feel free to imagine whatever else you want though. I just needed confirmation it was all in your head.

you chose to create a discussion about a fantasy world where Tom Brady choked in the SB instead of having one about how he had the greatest performance ever by a SB QB.
you did it, so you should own it.

Again, my use of this board is the find things I disagree with and ask the person making the statement to defend it and to defend every statement I make fully.
You do not have to participate in that. If you choose to just go around posting things regarding Brady that have nothing to do with Brady that is your option but you shouldn't reply when I respond because I will expect you to defend your point. You have chosen to run fromnit rather than defend it. Again that is fine but if you are responding to me I will always hold you accountable to defending what I disagree with.
You are free to use the board however you wish so there is no requirement for you to engage with me. I am upfront about how I post so let's not have any confusion here.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

They imply what they imply.

You said exactly what I think you said but you are choosing to pretend they don't mean what they mean.

let me illustrate.

Is Julian Edelman near the end?

Wes welker played the same position and dropped off the shelf. Troy brown too. Austin collie was even younger.
If Edelman had dropped 5 passes in the SB people would be saying cut him now so it's that close.


If you really think those statements aren't implying Edelman is likely at or near the end (not only the statements but the choice to make them despite the lack of integrity to them) you aren't being honest.

you chose to create a discussion about a fantasy world where Tom Brady choked in the SB instead of having one about how he had the greatest performance ever by a SB QB.
you did it, so you should own it.

Again, my use of this board is the find things I disagree with and ask the person making the statement to defend it and to defend every statement I make fully.
You do not have to participate in that. If you choose to just go around posting things regarding Brady that have nothing to do with Brady that is your option but you shouldn't reply when I respond because I will expect you to defend your point. You have chosen to run fromnit rather than defend it. Again that is fine but if you are responding to me I will always hold you accountable to defending what I disagree with.
You are free to use the board however you wish so there is no requirement for you to engage with me. I am upfront about how I post so let's not have any confusion here.

I just wrote a big post but decided it's silly. As the board's self-proclaimed defender, you're asking me to defend something we both admit I haven't said. It's silly.

But on the key point, we both agree that we don't know how it ends with Brady, when or how. You have accused me of otherwise, then gone on to talk about why you don't think it's anytime soon. I've never even done that.

I am literally saying I don't know. It could be this year. It could have already happened. It could be mid-season. It could be next season. It could be next decade. If we accept that we don't know, then we need to accept that all of those are possibilities.

And for that reason (which is true, and we both agree), it makes a ton of sense to keep an insurance policy on hand as long as possibly practical. That's all I'm saying (and have said). Feel free to piece together whatever other assumptions you want to make, but I can't keep commenting on things you're imagining. Any direct quotes I've written, I'm happy to respond to and try to clarify. But no more imaginary stuff.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

He still has a great QB in his pocket.

To be precise, and without hyperbole, the greatest QB ever to play the game. Right now. And actually, one might quibble for a season here and a season there... but if you want to put your money on 1 QB to bring the hardware back, for any given year until he demonstrates otherwise, he's the guy to go with.

Unfortunately, at an unknown point in time, TFB will be the guy who used to be the best guy on the field. This unknown point in time is now far from theoretical. There is an obstacle inevitably approaching. There are presently 7 billion people on Earth, almost 340 million of them in the U.S. Tens of thousands of them have gone through the NFL, thousands at the QB position. Let's forget 40 for a moment, although very very few, if any, have played at a high level after that age. Who's done it at 45?

We were already doing this when he was 35 or 36, saying "...by then he'll be 40!!!... but for the next few years..."

Okay, just cold water for the sake of cold water. I'm not arguing for JG to be the guy. He's shown glimpses of "holy F___ lightning in a bottle twice," and he's also shown us that we could be going "Crap the guy is injured again... omg I miss TFB..."

He's unknown. What's known is he can give you, what, 6 good, poised quarters against NFL defenses (note - at the comparatively lackadaisical pace of early regular season, without much on the line). Or could give you that, assuming no permanent effects from his injury. BB seems to think he's either (1) the heir apparent or (2) worth a very steep price in draft pick terms.

The actual original premise here is interesting: To wit, what can you pull out of your butt to keep the GOAT and the heir apparent given the present cap realities.

I wonder whether somebody without a QB comes to us late in the offseason trading us their 2018 draft or large parts thereof... I doubt it. The point of "neediness" is before/during the draft, and now is the season of hope.

So I dunno, I'm not an expert on these things at your level and I'm not trying to challenge you. It does look, right now, like BB sees something in JG he hasn't seen for a while (e.g., not in Cassel, not in Hoyer, not in Mallett).

Anybody who thinks they see "the next Brady" in any quarterback is a fool. We can all agree on that.

But the day's coming when Brady's not Brady anymore. He gave us an early scare a couple years back. To his credit he once again upped his game. We all know not to bet on TFB being done.

So, shrugging my shoulders. The "keep them both" strategy is doomed to run out one day. But do you dig a bit of a hole to try to keep your options open another year, perhaps another 2?

Imunno.

 

[Ring 6]

I just wrote a big post but decided it's silly. As the board's self-proclaimed defender, you're asking me to defend something we both admit I haven't said. It's silly.

Ok play games.

But on the key point, we both agree that we don't know how it ends with Brady, when or how. You have accused me of otherwise, then gone on to talk about why you don't think it's anytime soon. I've never even done that.

I have not. I have pointed out that you created an argument if made up things and unsupported comparisons that imply they apply to Brady.
You have done that.

I am literally saying I don't know. It could be this year. It could have already happened. It could be mid-season. It could be next season. It could be next decade. If we accept that we don't know, then we need to accept that all of those are possibilities.

You are literally choosing QBs who declined suddenly that have no commonality to Brady. Why? No one would cite QBs who declined quickly if not to use as supporting evidence that applies to the person you are speaking of.
You made up a different outcome to the greatest game played by a QB to use as evidence that he is THIS CLOSE to done.

And for that reason (which is true, and we both agree), it makes a ton of sense to keep an insurance policy on hand as long as possibly practical. That's all I'm saying (and have said). Feel free to piece together whatever other assumptions you want to make, but I can't keep commenting on things you're imagining. Any direct quotes I've written, I'm happy to respond to and try to clarify. But no more imaginary stuff.

I have pointed out your flawed points numerous times. You choose to ignore that and claim that trying to create evidence to support an argument the end is near is your way or saying you have no idea.

Do you agree that those QBs have absolutely no relation to Brady?

Do you agree that making up what a player might have done is he sucked has nothing to do with the player who actually played the greatest game ever by a QB in a SB?

I have no issue with any of your other comments (well beside you need to throw personal jabs but I guess that's who you are) aside from these 2 grotesque errors.

 

[Ring 6]

To be precise, and without hyperbole, the greatest QB ever to play the game. Right now. And actually, one might quibble for a season here and a season there... but if you want to put your money on 1 QB to bring the hardware back, for any given year until he demonstrates otherwise, he's the guy to go with.

Unfortunately, at an unknown point in time, TFB will be the guy who used to be the best guy on the field. This unknown point in time is now far from theoretical. There is an obstacle inevitably approaching. There are presently 7 billion people on Earth, almost 340 million of them in the U.S. Tens of thousands of them have gone through the NFL, thousands at the QB position. Let's forget 40 for a moment, although very very few, if any, have played at a high level after that age. Who's done it at 45?

We were already doing this when he was 35 or 36, saying "...by then he'll be 40!!!... but for the next few years..."

Okay, just cold water for the sake of cold water. I'm not arguing for JG to be the guy. He's shown glimpses of "holy F___ lightning in a bottle twice," and he's also shown us that we could be going "Crap the guy is injured again... omg I miss TFB..."

He's unknown. What's known is he can give you, what, 6 good, poised quarters against NFL defenses (note - at the comparatively lackadaisical pace of early regular season, without much on the line). Or could give you that, assuming no permanent effects from his injury. BB seems to think he's either (1) the heir apparent or (2) worth a very steep price in draft pick terms.

The actual original premise here is interesting: To wit, what can you pull out of your butt to keep the GOAT and the heir apparent given the present cap realities.

I wonder whether somebody without a QB comes to us late in the offseason trading us their 2018 draft or large parts thereof... I doubt it. The point of "neediness" is before/during the draft, and now is the season of hope.

So I dunno, I'm not an expert on these things at your level and I'm not trying to challenge you. It does look, right now, like BB sees something in JG he hasn't seen for a while (e.g., not in Cassel, not in Hoyer, not in Mallett).

Anybody who thinks they see "the next Brady" in any quarterback is a fool. We can all agree on that.

But the day's coming when Brady's not Brady anymore. He gave us an early scare a couple years back. To his credit he once again upped his game. We all know not to bet on TFB being done.

So, shrugging my shoulders. The "keep them both" strategy is doomed to run out one day. But do you dig a bit of a hole to try to keep your options open another year, perhaps another 2?

Imunno.

An applicable saying here is a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Brady is the GOAT.
Brady is at or close to the best he has ever played.
Brady gives us a chance to win the SB with significantly less than the best other 52 players and essentially guaranteed it with the best other 52 (which we may have now btw).
Unless that changes dramatically you simply do not give that away because you stand to lose the backup who might be an ok QB.
2 years of 2016 level Brady plus whoever follows >>>>>>>>>>>>> garoppolos entire career.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

2 years of 2016 level Brady plus whoever follows >>>>>>>>>>>>> garoppolos entire career.

If you're a fan of Brady, sure. If you're a fan of the New England Patriots, not nearly as clear. And if you're Robert Kraft, probably not.

 

[Ring 6]

If you're a fan of Brady, sure. If you're a fan of the New England Patriots, not nearly as clear. And if you're Robert Kraft, probably not.

No.
the difference between Brady and garoppolo for 2 years is greater by far than the difference between garoppolo and the next man up for as long as he would last.

Keeping Brady beyond 2017 is probably the teams only real chance to win more SBs in the near future.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

No.
the difference between Brady and garoppolo for 2 years is greater by far than the difference between garoppolo and the next man up for as long as he would last.

Keeping Brady beyond 2017 is probably the teams only real chance to win more SBs in the near future.

I know it's tough to drill this into your little solipsistic head, but believe it or not, your subjective opinions are not objective truth. You might think that's true, but plenty of others (likely including Kraft) do not.

It all hinges on what Garopollo can do and the odds of it. Let's assume he can be an above-average-to-good starter. Then the post-2017 choice is:
1 or 2, maybe 3 years of Brady, then quite a few years of sucking to average
or
quite a few years of above-average to good

Given those choices, plenty of people (and, I bet, team ownership) would take the second one. Other people (apparently you among them) would rather have a near-term significantly higher chance of winning the SB at the cost of being crappy for quite some time.

There's no right answer, BTW. Comes down to what one wants from rooting for a team. For me, having been a fan since '76, and with the championships already in the bank, I'd rather see the team maximize long-term competitiveness.

 

[zydecochris]

I'm on board with Ken, XLIX and here's my reason why I think this is Brady's last season.
His wife came out in the media and strongly stated she does NOT want to live with a man suffering post concussive syndrome. When she stated as fact he had concussions last season and he stayed silent after her comments, my antennae went up. Then when I look at the Patriots refusing anything for JimmyG, loading up with offensive weapons and the practically gushing effusiveness of BB this offseason, I begin to smell a rat.

I'm thinking this IS Brady's swan song and win or lose, Garrop takes over next season. Occam's razor...it just looks too obvious at this point.

You make a good point Joe. I would like to also point out that one important reason that many players try to hang on is $$$, and I think a case could be made that $$$ is less important to Brady than perhaps any athlete in modern history, except for Pat Tillman. Brady can easily walk away from the $$$.

I don't know if this is Brady's last season or not, but I would bet the farm that concern over post concussive syndrome is a subject frequently discussed in Brady's marriage, Gisele has pretty much confirmed that. Unless Brady gets a divorce (which I don't expect), I would be very surprised if he really tries to play another 5 years, I think those statements of how long he would "like" to play is simply to remove any Favre-type "will he or won't he" retirement drama and headlines.

I guess many don't agree, but I don't see him hanging around after his skills start to decline, and I would be absolutely shocked if he is traded. I don't know if it will be after this season (as you speculate) or the season after, or even the season after, but I expect him to retire (as a Patriot) in the next 1-3 years, with absolutely no advance notice (except to BB). I will absolutely hate that day. However, I would hate even more seeing cognitive decline in him in 25 years (if I were to be so fortunate to still be on this earth).

 

[XLIX]

Given those choices, plenty of people (and, I bet, team ownership) would take the second one. Other people (apparently you among them) would rather have a near-term significantly higher chance of winning the SB at the cost of being crappy for quite some time.

Why are you so sure they will be "crappy for quite some time" is they lose Garoppolo and draft someone else over the next 2-3 years (someone whom none of us have probably even heard of at this point)..?

I have faith they can let Garoppolo go in favor of Brady, and find another QB who will be above-average-to-good.

 

[XLIX]

I don't know if this is Brady's last season or not, but I would bet the farm that concern over post concussive syndrome is a subject frequently discussed in Brady's marriage, Gisele has pretty much confirmed that. Unless Brady gets a divorce (which I don't expect), I would be very surprised if he really tries to play another 5 years,

Really? You think those are his only options? Retire or get divorced?

I think their marriage is strong enough that they can survive a disagreement, especially one rooted in her love for him and his well being.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Why are you so sure they will be "crappy for quite some time" is they lose Garoppolo and draft someone else over the next 2-3 years (someone whom none of us have probably even heard of at this point)..?

I have faith they can let Garoppolo go in favor of Brady, and find another QB who will be above-average-to-good.

Given what's happened with Cassell, Mallett, etc. I don't have that faith.

 

[XLIX]

Given what's happened with Cassell, Mallett, etc. I don't have that faith.

Why not? The one guy on that list who actually got playing time in New England was Matt Cassel and he had a damn decent year. 3,700 yards, 2:1 TD:INT ratio in his first year as a starter. I'd say that qualifies as above-average-to-good. It may not have carried over when he left NE but in the right system, he proved he had talent.

 

[Ring 6]

I know it's tough to drill this into your little solipsistic head, but believe it or not, your subjective opinions are not objective truth. You might think that's true, but plenty of others (likely including Kraft) do not.

Well of course the honorable way to handle disagreement is personal insults.
I have given my opinion. I have not called it fact. In fact I use terms like MORE LIKELY.
And, yes, I explain it and back up why that is my opinion.

Your way of backing up your opinion seems to be saying no one else's is fact. Odd.

It all hinges on what Garopollo can do and the odds of it. Let's assume he can be an above-average-to-good starter. Then the post-2017 choice is:
1 or 2, maybe 3 years of Brady, then quite a few years of sucking to average
or
quite a few years of above-average to good

Given those choices, plenty of people (and, I bet, team ownership) would take the second one.

I disagree and it's a false narrative.
No garoppolo does not equal sucking. There are other QBs.
Again go backward 3 years. If garappolo leaves this year are you saying you would have preferred to dump Brady 3 years ago, 2 years ago, 1 years ago in order to not lose JAG? How many SBs is keeping an unknown QB worth giving up?

Other people (apparently you among them) would rather have a near-term significantly higher chance of winning the SB at the cost of being crappy for quite some time.

Again false narrative. No JAG does not equal suck.
But I agree that if all scenarios possible for the next 10 years I would take the one with the most championships regardless of any other variables.

There's no right answer, BTW.

Yet ironically youvthrow personal insults at me for my opinion.

Comes down to what one wants from rooting for a team. For me, having been a fan since '76, and with the championships already in the bank, I'd rather see the team maximize long-term competitiveness.

Long term competitiveness is not dependent upon JAG.