The 2017 NFL Draft, Day One Game-Day Thread

[Nunchucks]

It is clear as day what BB's thinking was in terms of why he did not trade Jimmy.

1. If TB12 goes down, he doesn't think Brisset is ready or can lead the team to the SB. He thinks Jimmy has the chance. He is not Bill Polian. He puts a tremendous amount of value on risk assurance
2. He has determined Jimmy is a top 5 NFL QB prospect and the offers he received did not meet that value standard.
3. He is willing to let the season play out and pillage CLE in 2018. They might already have a deal in place for all we know.

The only one that makes sense is number 3 or Jimmy will be the starter for this team sooner rather than later. Having a top 5 QB and letting him go to FA is a huge blunder.

Backup QBs rarely see the field. You don't waste a first round pick on a backup QB, because a first round pick should be a starter and hopefully an impact player.

 

[Nunchucks]

Do you think having Mallet as the sole backup was a desirable situation? Because if not, then I'm glad they're doing something different.

Whether it was desirable or not, it went on for a number of years.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

It is clear as day what BB's thinking was in terms of why he did not trade Jimmy.

1. If TB12 goes down, he doesn't think Brisset is ready or can lead the team to the SB. He thinks Jimmy has the chance. He is not Bill Polian. He puts a tremendous amount of value on risk assurance
2. He has determined Jimmy is a top 5 NFL QB prospect and the offers he received did not meet that value standard.
3. He is willing to let the season play out and pillage CLE in 2018. They might already have a deal in place for all we know.

Or.....[perish the thought]...Belichick will move on from Brady in 2018. He is as detached a decisionmaker that I've ever seen, and I wouldn't be surprised one bit at this. Of course I hope Brady stays a patriot for life. I'd rather see brady retire after next season than go to another team.

 

[patchick]

Whether it was desirable or not, it went on for a number of years.

So did having no talent at safety. Again, if that's not a good thing, then having done it is not an argument for doing it again.

 

[Nunchucks]

So did having no talent at safety. Again, if that's not a good thing, then having done it is not an argument for doing it again.

Well, which is it? Belichick was foolish for keeping Mallet as the main backup for 3 years or is he being foolish now keeping Jimmy instead of getting an impact player?

 

[RobertWeathers]

The only one that makes sense is number 3 or Jimmy will be the starter for this team sooner rather than later. Having a top 5 QB and letting him go to FA is a huge blunder.

Backup QBs rarely see the field. You don't waste a first round pick on a backup QB, because a first round pick should be a starter and hopefully an impact player.

Backup QBs see the field A LOT. The fact of the matter is this team has had one of the most durable QBs in league history.

Who said BB will let him walk as a FA in 2018? You are basically saying as a GM BB is an incompetent buffoon which he is nothing of the sort.

You keep backups if you think they are top 5 QBs and your current QB is 40.

Hes simply letting it play out.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I don't get the hate on this board for jimmy G. He won't be this and he won't be that. How the hell you know?! Brady will be our QB but if loyko was right about what they offered for jimmy G then i don't get why he
wasn't traded.

I don't think anyone is hating on Jimmy, I think there are some that just want the Pats to get max value for him because that's what he's worth... teams were trading up in the first round with multiple 1st rounders and other picks for college players who haven't taken a single snap in the NFL

Jimmy being on the roster has a lot of value. He's a great backup to Brady should the unthinkable happen and could keep this championship caliber team in contention

They could still franchise Jimmy then trade him for a 2nd or 1st rounder to recoup some value (ala Matt Cassel)

Then there is the group that would like to swallow the hard jagged pill next year of trading Brady and turning the franchise over to the young buck


All of these opinions and options are valid and a strong argument could be made for each.. But I don't think anyone is hating on Jimmy.... some are just pointing out that he only has 6 quarters of real game experience (not counting mop up time for Brady).. granted those were 6 amazing quarters of QB play, but a limited sample size to be sold on him as a superstar.. remember Matt Flynn tearing the Pats up a few years ago for 6 touchdowns filling in for Rodgers and had a good string of games to close out the season... turned that into a decent contract with Seattle and was garbage ever since

 

[RobertWeathers]

Or.....[perish the thought]...Belichick will move on from Brady in 2018. He is as detached a decisionmaker that I've ever seen, and I wouldn't be surprised one bit at this. Of course I hope Brady stays a patriot for life. I'd rather see brady retire after next season than go to another team.

I've given up on stating that in this forum. People don't want to hear it and I'm sick and tired of getting **** for it.

Fact of the matter is exactly what you just said. If TB12 slips one iota or experiences an injury in which BB is not convinced he can come back from 100% its move over rover and let Jimmy take over.

BB is shrewd as shrewd can be.

 

[Nunchucks]

I've given up on stating that in this forum. People don't want to hear it and I'm sick and tired of getting **** for it.

Fact of the matter is exactly what you just said. If TB12 slips one iota or experiences and injury in which BB is not convinced he can come back from 100% its move over rover and let Jimmy take over.

BB is shrewd as shrewd can be.

I agree that this is probably part of his thinking, but if Belichick believes Brady is on the brink of being done...he should trade him and start the Jimmy era.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

It strikes me that I keep coming across these two opinions:

1. The Browns can wheel and deal all they want, but without a legit QB they have nothing. Nada.

2. The Patriots were foolish not to trade/must not have had offers for Garoppolo, because now they'll get no value from him. Nada.

Anybody else think those are mutually contradictory? If no roster is any good without a legit QB, then without Garoppolo the Patriots have painstakingly assembled a top-to-bottom Superbowl caliber roster -- with every joint in the body of the NFL's oldest player as a single point of failure to render it all worthless.

It's not so hard for me to believe that the Pats DID receive an offer of a 1st + 2nd, and said no based on his value to them in 2017.

Regarding points of failure that could derail Ring 6, I see the probability of losing one or more of the 5 OL starters approaching 1 vs the probability of a Brady injury being far less. So not having one or more playoff quality subs available for inevitable OL injuries is the far bigger risk. Folks are too focused on the glamor position. Where did the Patriots struggle the most last season? Anyone else remember Brady being hammered in the playoffs? vs Atlanta? and what happened to his backup?

OL play vs playoff caliber teams and lack of strong across the line depth is the big risk for 2017 given today's roster.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree that this is probably part of his thinking, but if Belichick believes Brady is on the brink of being done...he should trade him and start the Jimmy era.

BB is on record as saying its very difficult to judge when an older player is "done". Sometimes its a gradual decline and you can coax a couple more years out of them. Sometimes they fall off a cliff. You just don't know.

Clearly with TB12 he is completely satisfied with his level of play.

I think the latter is what he is dealing with in TB12.....and hes hedging his bets with Jimmy. Hes letting it play out.

The wild card here is when does BB decide to cash in his chips with TB12 and decide to play at another blackjack table with Jimmy.

 

[Nunchucks]

BB is on record as saying its very difficult to judge when an older player is "done". Sometimes its a gradual decline and you can coax a couple more years out of them. Sometimes they fall off a cliff. You just don't know.

Clearly with TB12 he is completely satisfied with his level of play.

I think the latter is what he is dealing with in TB12.....and hes hedging his bets with Jimmy. Hes letting it play out.

The wild card here is when does BB decide to cash in his chips with TB12 and decide to play at another blackjack table with Jimmy.

That is why I couched my statement with the condition that Jimmy is starting for the Patriots at some point. If he is just a backup and then gets franchised and traded for a 2nd round pick, that will be disappointing

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I agree that this is probably part of his thinking, but if Belichick believes Brady is on the brink of being done...he should trade him and start the Jimmy era.

I've had a feeling all along that Belichick is loading up for brady to win No. 6 next year and then move on from him in 2018. Last night's not trading of JG has made me more a believer. I really hope I am wrong since I would love to see brady stay here until he's 45.

Despite having an aging HOF QB, if you feel you have the next Aaron Rodgers sitting on the bench, you have to move on. I'm not saying JG is the next Rodgers, but Belichick would have a much better feeling about this. Perhaps this is his thinking. He shocked us before with Lawyer Malloy, Moss, Law, Seymour, etc.

 

[Tony2046]

Lol how is that possible? Did they think the Niners were trading the pick away to someone who wanted Trubisky or were going to take him themselves?

That's what I just heard on PFT. The Bears felt that there might have been competition.

 

[Tony2046]

Backup QBs see the field A LOT. The fact of the matter is this team has had one of the most durable QBs in league history.

Who said BB will let him walk as a FA in 2018? You are basically saying as a GM BB is an incompetent buffoon which he is nothing of the sort.

You keep backups if you think they are top 5 QBs and your current QB is 40.

Hes simply letting it play out.

Exactly. Keeping JG does not mean a decision has been made about Brady it just means he's keeping JG for another year.

 

[long distance]

Oh ********.

All the QBs in this draft suck except maybe Watson, and he's hardly a sure thing. Drafting one of them in the first round would be irresponsible.

Stock up talent this year, tank, and draft a QB next year when there will be some actual good ones. Run Osweiler out there. Who cares? They're not going to win this year anyway.

What they do have are the makings of a halfway decent young defense, especially if they can find a position for Peppers to play.

This is exactly the attitude that has them where they are.

Entering competition for Darnold a year early?
Prefer competing for the win every single week.
Losing is a bad habit. Wears on players.

 

[Brady_Moss]

Bold Prediction: the Patriots move into the 2nd round to get Obi Melifonwu!

 

[patchick]

Regarding points of failure that could derail Ring 6, I see the probability of losing one or more of the 5 OL starters approaching 1 vs the probability of a Brady injury being far less. So not having one or more playoff quality subs available for inevitable OL injuries is the far bigger risk. Folks are too focused on the glamor position. Where did the Patriots struggle the most last season? Anyone else remember Brady being hammered in the playoffs? vs Atlanta? and what happened to his backup?

OL play vs playoff caliber teams and lack of strong across the line depth is the big risk for 2017 given today's roster.

I think that's a very fair statement, and in another thread OL depth was the consensus #1 need heading into the draft. And yet...if they had traded Jimmy for a 1st-round pick, I can't imagine that pick would have been an o-lineman. The value wasn't there.

 

[resdubwhite]

Oh I so want to be online when BBC makes his customerythromycin WTF pick tonight.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That is why I couched my statement with the condition that Jimmy is starting for the Patriots at some point. If he is just a backup and then gets franchised and traded for a 2nd round pick, that will be disappointing

I agree. On the surface dealing Jimmy for a 2nd rounder would appear to be a firesale. I think its premature that would be the compensation he would fetch. Market conditions may change.

CLE has a lot of draft capital in 2018. I'm sure there will be other teams who need a QB. Regardless of the franchise tag I think they'll haul in some decent picks for him....or TB12.

I still think it's good risk management for BB to hang on to Jimmy in 2017. Even with TB12s iron man track record.