The 2017 NFL Draft, Day One Game-Day Thread

[fightingirish595]

I understand they got 3 good players Sup. But their lack of a QB will cause them the same kind of frustration that Houston fans currently deal with after they accumulated great talent over a few years. It might be an improved frustration that what they are used now that they have better talent, but frustration nevertheless bcause they didn't get their QB, and they aren't going to find one that will help them in the next few years in the later rounds.

I guess it should go under the file, "penny wise and pound fooolish". They could They could have wound up with pretty much 2 of the three guys they currently got PLUS a QB ready to take over an offense. Now they can use all those draft picks in picking QB's every few rounds in hopes they hit lightning in a bottle, when someone was ready to hand them that bottle for just a few cents on the dollar (relatively)

They did the smart thing and didn't reach for a qb.

 

[Galeb]

Methinks the peeps criticizing the Brown's first round moves are seeing it through their Patsfan glasses. They simply can't get over the haul they think the Browns should have given the Pats for Jimmy. Maybe they tried and the Pats said no? Considering how bad the QB class is this year, the Browns were smart not to waste capital on QB in round 1. Who knows, they could still trade for Jimmy this year or next.

 

[long distance]

Winners: SF
#2 = two top 5 players of this Draft they loved + 3 additional mid round picks.

Losers: CLE
explained above.
+ going in FA & Draft with 100M+ cap space and #1 + #12 picks and coming away without the only thing you desperately need and matters all .. is actually quite an achievement even for CLE standards. And irresponsible to all CLE players.

Respect: CHI
going all-in for developmental QB (ignoring draftnicks and mediots) despite just investing in new starting QB and despite other roster needs . is a sign of a serious franchise that has self-confidence and respect for itself. Responsible to the past, the future and the current roster.

Best single pick value: WAS (Allen)
#1 player in my book at 17 . if shoulders don't stop him that's some man they're getting

Saddest pick: CIN (Ross)
__

Most of the picks seemed like Twilight zone. Feel a lot of 1st rounder remorse coming in the next couple of years.

AFC east with a solid Day 1. Jamal Adams is a soldier (and a leader) any team can wish for.

 

[farn]

Peppers : I'm not convinced. The failed test is alarming. The not playing an "hour before a bowl game" is even more troubling if true. Not having a defined position can be ok if you have someone like BB in charge, but do we think Hue will make the right choices ?

 

[TommyD4207]

Losers: CLE
explained above.
+ going in FA & Draft with 100M+ cap space and #1 + #12 picks and coming away without the only thing you desperately need and matters all .. is actually quite an achievement even for CLE standards. And irresponsible to all CLE players.

Oh ********.

All the QBs in this draft suck except maybe Watson, and he's hardly a sure thing. Drafting one of them in the first round would be irresponsible.

Stock up talent this year, tank, and draft a QB next year when there will be some actual good ones. Run Osweiler out there. Who cares? They're not going to win this year anyway.

What they do have are the makings of a halfway decent young defense, especially if they can find a position for Peppers to play.

 

[Bill Lee]

What did Butler do to get on BB's **** list? There's this perception that he's expendable, but I'd rather have him on the team.

Butler is not on BB's **** list. He's an RFA, and BB is just leveraging the team's rights. Butler is getting exactly what he deserves, exactly what the CBA says he's entitled to. It's his own fault for developing expectations of getting a free agent payday when he's not a free agent.

 

[Ring 6]

I understand they got 3 good players Sup. But their lack of a QB will cause them the same kind of frustration that Houston fans currently deal with after they accumulated great talent over a few years. It might be an improved frustration that what they are used now that they have better talent, but frustration nevertheless bcause they didn't get their QB, and they aren't going to find one that will help them in the next few years in the later rounds.

I guess it should go under the file, "penny wise and pound fooolish". They could They could have wound up with pretty much 2 of the three guys they currently got PLUS a QB ready to take over an offense. Now they can use all those draft picks in picking QB's every few rounds in hopes they hit lightning in a bottle, when someone was ready to hand them that bottle for just a few cents on the dollar (relatively)

There wasn't a QB worth drafting.

 

[Kontradiction]

For the Browns, Garrett was the obvious pick and Njoku was a very good pick. Peppers was a head scratcher. I don't know where the hell he would line up at. I would have taken Taco Charlton there and developed a nasty combo of DE's to improve the pass rush. Conley was an excellent pick for the Raiders, unfortunately. I didn't think there was any shot of him falling to the Pats, though.

 

[fightingirish595]

Peppers : I'm not convinced. The failed test is alarming. The not playing an "hour before a bowl game" is even more troubling if true. Not having a defined position can be ok if you have someone like BB in charge, but do we think Hue will make the right choices ?

He doesn't have a position because Of capability. He was asked not to have one. If the browns give him a chance and put him somewhere, he will be fine, he's athletic enough and skilled enough to play corner in the NFL, in my opinion. But he'd be good at safety, I think

 

[mosslost]

JG is 10x more ready than the guys drafted tonight. He demonstrated in live regular season action that he's a playa, and he's also been around the best coaches and mentor for 3 years and has 2 rings. He can definitely step in tomorrow and lead, he's not a question mark like the draftees. NE just didn't have him on the trading block, as reported by Schefter, which is hard for us to believe but it was true. BB wants him on the team this year, he likes the luxury of having a proven starter as his backup QB.

No BB wanted QB insurance for next year, and it was important enough to him to want something significant. I don't think anyone offered even one first for him. Second round picks were his ceiling.

 

[patchick]

It strikes me that I keep coming across these two opinions:

1. The Browns can wheel and deal all they want, but without a legit QB they have nothing. Nada.

2. The Patriots were foolish not to trade/must not have had offers for Garoppolo, because now they'll get no value from him. Nada.

Anybody else think those are mutually contradictory? If no roster is any good without a legit QB, then without Garoppolo the Patriots have painstakingly assembled a top-to-bottom Superbowl caliber roster -- with every joint in the body of the NFL's oldest player as a single point of failure to render it all worthless.

It's not so hard for me to believe that the Pats DID receive an offer of a 1st + 2nd, and said no based on his value to them in 2017.

 

[AQPE]

Accuracy and good decision making are the 2 most important skills a QB can have.

This x 1,000,000,000; it amazes me how much running ability seems overrated for a QB (see Manuel, E.J.), and I think "arm talent" can be a real double-edged sword also (see Cutler, Jay).

I wasn't surprised to see all 3 QBs go early - I actually predicted it in a thread on the Draft Forum - but like I think just about everyone else I am just stunned at the price Chicago and KC paid for the guys they got. I think what happened with Wentz last year influenced the thinking - as I recall people were saying he was going to be a long-term project also. I think they will both really regret these moves. Regarding Watson, I actually think more of his chances than I do of either of the other two guys, but I'm with Ken, I think BOB has his work cut out for him working with Watson and in the end I don't see it working out.

Looking at the ridiculous payments for Trubisky and Mahomes, I get the frustration people have about Jimmy G. being kept here, but I'm in the camp of it showing why when you have someone that you think could actually be a successful replacement for Brady, you keep him.

 

[Froob]

At the end of the day, the draft is a crap shoot just like buying sports memorabilia from Eli Manning.

 

[Froob]

The crazy trade, imo, was Chicago moving up 1 spot from 3rd overall to 2nd to draft Trubisky.

The 49ers in exchange got the 3rd overall and the Bears 67th, 111th and a 3rd round pick next year.

Lol how is that possible? Did they think the Niners were trading the pick away to someone who wanted Trubisky or were going to take him themselves?

 

[Nunchucks]

No BB wanted QB insurance for next year, and it was important enough to him to want something significant. I don't think anyone offered even one first for him. Second round picks were his ceiling.

Widely reported that the Browns offered number 12. Look what was given up for rookie QBs....Backup quarterbacks are not worth more to your roster than 1st round picks.

Unless Jimmy is starting next year or franchised and starts the year after, this was a mistake.

 

[RobertWeathers]

At the end of the day, the draft is a crap shoot just like buying sports memorabilia from Eli Manning.

Well, at least some of the players drafted will eventually become legit NFLers.

There is nothing legit about Eli memorabilia.

 

[Nunchucks]

It strikes me that I keep coming across these two opinions:

1. The Browns can wheel and deal all they want, but without a legit QB they have nothing. Nada.

2. The Patriots were foolish not to trade/must not have had offers for Garoppolo, because now they'll get no value from him. Nada.

Anybody else think those are mutually contradictory? If no roster is any good without a legit QB, then without Garoppolo the Patriots have painstakingly assembled a top-to-bottom Superbowl caliber roster -- with every joint in the body of the NFL's oldest player as a single point of failure to render it all worthless.

It's not so hard for me to believe that the Pats DID receive an offer of a 1st + 2nd, and said no based on his value to them in 2017.

They managed to go into seasons with a single backup QB named Mallet....I don't see why it is much different this year.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Uh . . . They won't. Jimmy walks for nothing next year.

They franchised Cassel and got a 2nd for him, they can easily do the same with Jimmy.. if they decide to trade him at all

 

[RobertWeathers]

Widely reported that the Browns offered number 12. Look what was given up for rookie QBs....Backup quarterbacks are not worth more to your roster than 1st round picks.

Unless Jimmy is starting next year or franchised and starts the year after, this was a mistake.

It is clear as day what BB's thinking was in terms of why he did not trade Jimmy.

1. If TB12 goes down, he doesn't think Brisset is ready or can lead the team to the SB. He thinks Jimmy has the chance. He is not Bill Polian. He puts a tremendous amount of value on risk assurance
2. He has determined Jimmy is a top 5 NFL QB prospect and the offers he received did not meet that value standard.
3. He is willing to let the season play out and pillage CLE in 2018. They might already have a deal in place for all we know.

 

[patchick]

They managed to go into seasons with a single backup QB named Mallet....I don't see why it is much different this year.

Do you think having Mallet as the sole backup was a desirable situation? Because if not, then I'm glad they're doing something different.

Edit: plus, time flies but Brady is a full 5 years older now. And having a starting-caliber backup isn't usually an option.