The 2017 NFL Draft, Day One Game-Day Thread

[manxman2601]

What selections they have? Only in 2018. They can't give us nothing right now. They drafted 3 players in round 1 and they can't trade one or two of those guys. Not the nba

We don't need much right now. Have you looked at the roster?

 

[Tony2046]

What selections they have? Only in 2018. They can't give us nothing right now. They drafted 3 players in round 1 and they can't trade one or two of those guys. Not the nba

They have the first pick in the 2nd round and three third round picks. Plus they have two first round picks and multiple second round picks next year.

 

[fightingirish595]

Watson threw for 4600 yards last year and 41 TD, not to mention back-to-back BCS Championship games, including a win against a dynasty in Alabama.

Peterman threw for 2800 yds and 27 TDs, and went 8-5 in the same conference. He led his more-talented Panthers to an amazing 31-24 win against Northwestern. In the Pinstripe Bowl. Whee.

The talent alongside watson compared to peterman is not comparable. hows colt brennan and graham harrell holding up in the pros with their stats. your argument is poor

 

[manxman2601]

I promise you that I didn't read your post before I wrote mine. I swear.

Yours was spot on.

 

[manxman2601]

They have the first pick in the 2nd round and three third round picks. Plus they have two first round picks and multiple second round picks next year.

They traded the first pick in the 2nd when they moved up for Njoku. Still have 52 though.

 

[Peachhead]

Uh . . . They won't. Jimmy walks for nothing next year.

Next year we can franchise him and trade him. Like we did with Cassel. But for a much higher haul I suspect.

Or franchise him while we work out a longer deal. Then he eventually steps in for Brady.

Or worst case scenario: We don't franchise Jimmy G and he walks in free agency. Which means he gets a big money deal. Which means we get a 3rd round comp pick.

Hey, I'm as disappointed as anyone that we didn't get a nice haul for Garoppolo tonight. But if we did I was going to be sweating it with Brissett as our backup/succession plan.

 

[Tony2046]

Yours was spot on.

Thanks Manx. But you're the Guru so writing mine and then reading yours feels similar to taking a test and then seeing the answers.

 

[TommyD4207]

The talent alongside watson compared to peterman is not comparable. hows colt brennan and graham harrell holding up in the pros with their stats. your argument is poor

lol How's Tim Tebow doing? Christian Hackenberg? Danny Kanell? Rex Grossman? How about Tyler Palko, same program, what's he doing these days?

You just compared Deshaun Watson, who was top-3 in the Heisman twice...to Colt Brennan and Graham Harrell, who never did anything ever against anyone.

You've also compared Nathan Peterman, who ran an offense predicated on handing the ball off to James Conner, to Tom Brady AND Joe Montana in just the last two pages. Oh yeah, and Drew Brees. Better than that guy, the best QB in the history of Purdue.

 

[manxman2601]

Thanks Manx. But you're the Guru so writing mine and then reading yours feels similar to taking a test and then seeing the answers.

Too kind.

 

[Tony2046]

They traded the first pick in the 2nd when they moved up for Njoku. Still have 52 though.

Yep you're right.

2017 NFL DRAFT

First round: (3) No. 1, No. 25 (via 2017 draft-day trade with Texans), No. 29 (via 2017 draft-day trade with Packers, in exchange for Nos. 33 and 108).

Second round: (1) No. 52 (via 2016 draft-day trade with Titans).

Third round: (1) No. 65

Fourth round: No pick.

Fifth round: (3) No. 145, No. 175 (via Barkevious Mingo trade with Patriots), No. 181 (compensatory pick).

Sixth round: (2) No. 185, No. 188 (via Brock Osweiler trade with Texans).

Seventh round: No picks.

2018 NFL DRAFT

First round: (2) Own pick, Texans' pick via 2017 draft-day trade.

Second round: (3) Own pick, Eagles' pick via 2016 draft-day trade, Texans' pick via Brock Osweiler trade.

Third round: (1) Own pick.

Fourth round: (2) Own pick, Panthers' pick via Andy Lee trade..

Fifth round: (1) Own pick.

Sixth round: (2) Own pick, Steelers' pick via Justin Gilbert trade.

Seventh round: (1) Own pick.

 

[fightingirish595]

lol How's Tim Tebow doing? Christian Hackenberg? Danny Kanell? Rex Grossman? How about Tyler Palko, same program, what's he doing these days?

You just compared Deshaun Watson, who was top-3 in the Heisman twice...to Colt Brennan and Graham Harrell, who never did anything ever against anyone.

You've also compared Nathan Peterman, who ran an offense predicated on handing the ball off to James Conner, to Tom Brady AND Joe Montana in just the last two pages. Oh yeah, and Drew Brees. Better than that guy, the best QB in the history of Purdue.

Its not worth discussing with you, if you dont understand by now, you wont. Graham Harrell had a damn good season at TTU. I never compared Peterman to those guys, merely used them to point out flaws in your argument, which are gaping. I did the same thing with Harrell and Brennan. If you cant see on tape that Peterman is more accurate than Watson, then Im not sure what your watching. He posesses a lot of the traits you look for in a QB. Oh and again Peterman outplayed him, while surrounded with inferior talent. Kirk cousins handed the ball off a lot, he turned out okay, there are lot of teams that would take him. I try to refrain from saying things like this because I don't want to sound insulting. But I am dumbfounded by your arguments. Im okay with you not liking Peterman, I just think your case against him sucks. Now im done and Im no longer talkimg about this

 

[patfanken]

I just checked the results of the first round. What the Bears did was insanity. The only way John Foxx could have been OK with this move would be if he got a guaranteed 4 year extension to his contract. The Bears and the Pats DO have one thing in comment though. Neither have a first round pick that will be any help to them for the next few years..

Cleveland is such a sad franchise. 2 decent building blocks on defense but its a team that just spent a TON on money on a OL and still won't have a QB behind it.

Accuracy and good decision making are the 2 most important skills a QB can have. I find it hard to believe that Bill OBrien was OK with trading up to draft a QB who has proven he is neither accurate OR a good decision maker. Granted he is off the chart with his intangibles so over the course of 3 or 4 years he has a chance to improve. But it won't be in time to save BOB's job.

Finally, after listening to Weiss earlier this evening I am full convinced we just threw away a lot of talent by not trading JG. I really hope that thos rumors are not true. Either way 2 things will happen at the end of this year. Neither one will make me happy. Either Brady will be playing for another team, or Garappolo will be gome for nothing or next to nothing.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

So much for my Jimmy G to Jax prediction . . .

So . . . Sidney Jones and Alex Anzalone in round 3?

 

[ViperGTS]

So much for my Jimmy G to Jax prediction . . .

So . . . Sidney Jones and Alex Anzalone in round 3?

Sidney Jones would be great in my opinion. Like I said before, if his medicals school check out...and I trust BB and Co, they need to target him. Best player available.

 

[supafly]

Cleveland is such a sad franchise. 2 decent building blocks on defense but its a team that just spent a TON on money on a OL and still won't have a QB behind it.

I'm surprised to read this from you, Ken. In my opinion, this first round was probably some of the best decisions the Cleveland Browns have made in awhile.

They got 3 high quality players:
Garrett
Peppers
Njoku

And still somehow walked away with multiple firsts and seconds next year in the process. In other words, they didn't need to use any of their capital from 2018 (2 firsts, 3 seconds) to select three players who were graded as first round talents.

You're acting as if though the draft is over after one round. It's still quite possible, if not probable, that they find a QB in rounds 2-7 or via trade/pickup.

 

[everlong]

Sorry I have to disagree as well. The Browns and Bills made Patriot like trades and now have two #1's next year to continue to build. They have a dozen holes each. This year's QB draft reeks of 2011 when teams paid way too much for Ponder, Locker and Gabbert. None of those were first round picks. Maybe one of these guys works out. Honestly I'd say Mahomes has the best shot simply because he'll likely sit for at least one year if not two.

 

[patfanken]

I'm surprised to read this from you, Ken. In my opinion, this first round was probably some of the best decisions the Cleveland Browns have made in awhile.

They got 3 high quality players:
Garrett
Peppers
Njoku

And still somehow walked away with multiple firsts and seconds next year in the process. In other words, they didn't need to use any of their capital from 2018 (2 firsts, 3 seconds) to select three players who were graded as first round talents.

You're acting as if though the draft is over after one round. It's still quite possible, if not probable, that they find a QB in rounds 2-7 or via trade/pickup.

I understand they got 3 good players Sup. But their lack of a QB will cause them the same kind of frustration that Houston fans currently deal with after they accumulated great talent over a few years. It might be an improved frustration that what they are used now that they have better talent, but frustration nevertheless bcause they didn't get their QB, and they aren't going to find one that will help them in the next few years in the later rounds.

I guess it should go under the file, "penny wise and pound fooolish". They could They could have wound up with pretty much 2 of the three guys they currently got PLUS a QB ready to take over an offense. Now they can use all those draft picks in picking QB's every few rounds in hopes they hit lightning in a bottle, when someone was ready to hand them that bottle for just a few cents on the dollar (relatively)

 

[supafly]

I understand they got 3 good players Sup. But their lack of a QB will cause them the same kind of frustration that Houston fans currently deal with after they accumulated great talent over a few years. It might be an improved frustration that what they are used now that they have better talent, but frustration nevertheless bcause they didn't get their QB, and they aren't going to find one that will help them in the next few years in the later rounds.

I guess it should go under the file, "penny wise and pound fooolish". They could They could have wound up with pretty much 2 of the three guys they currently got PLUS a QB ready to take over an offense. Now they can use all those draft picks in picking QB's every few rounds in hopes they hit lightning in a bottle, when someone was ready to hand them that bottle for just a few cents on the dollar (relatively)

I hear your concerns, I just think they were in a huge rebuilding mode and took steps to address both the present and future of the team in a very positive way. As you've noted, they obviously still need a QB, but I think they went about things the right way for once.

They still have this draft and a ton of capital next draft, too. Maybe they wait until next year to make a run at the QB of the future. I can't say that I blame them for passing on the QBs in round one.

 

[long distance]

I'm surprised to read this from you, Ken. In my opinion, this first round was probably some of the best decisions the Cleveland Browns have made in awhile.

They got 3 high quality players:
Garrett
Peppers
Njoku

And still somehow walked away with multiple firsts and seconds next year in the process. In other words, they didn't need to use any of their capital from 2018 (2 firsts, 3 seconds) to select three players who were graded as first round talents.

You're acting as if though the draft is over after one round. It's still quite possible, if not probable, that they find a QB in rounds 2-7 or via trade/pickup.

I hear your concerns, I just think they were in a huge rebuilding mode and took steps to address both the present and future of the team in a very positive way. As you've noted, they obviously still need a QB, but I think they went about things the right way for once.

They still have this draft and a ton of capital next draft, too. Maybe they wait until next year to make a run at the QB of the future. I can't say that I blame them for passing on the QBs in round one.

The problem of CLE addressing the future is they are addressing . eternal future.
Thats the best way to never achieve anything.

As far as players they took . I might be the only one . but I wouldn't touch any of them.

Garrett feels like our Collins. Athletic freak but eternal child with not much love for the game. Not a guy you'd go to war with let alone trust him to lead you through it. And #1 overall should go to the general. Have you seen his reaction? It was like, well I guess I do have to go to Cleveland now.. No thanks.

Peppers feels like the Mingo pick. Wouldn't surprise me to see him Pat in 2-3 years time for low round pick used as a situational player. Njoku is a Q himself, but without QB and poor blocking - how productive will he really be . especially when it matters? Its not so easy to improve blocking/run game in a TE as it seems. Look no further than Derby..

Last but not least: they needed leadership, especially on D. They brought three new 1st rounders and no real leader.

(not to mention they used 3 1sts and still have no QB)

 

[maineman209]

Now they can use all those draft picks in picking QB's every few rounds

That may not be a bad strategy with this QB class.

They could spend their #52 on, say, Peterman. If he's not a winner as a rookie, no big deal. He would represent their 4th pick in this draft after getting 3 very good prospects, and they now have plenty of draft ammo in 2018 to make a move for the top QB from a class that's currently projected to be much better.