Just Say No to Revis - Patriots Should Pass

[XLIX]

I have no problem inviting him to camp. Let BB see if last year was the true Darelle Revis at this stage of his career, or if it was a completely unmotivated guy who mailed it in and, if anything, was cool with getting cut because that would enable him to play for $6 million (paid by the NYJ) in 2017 and if he plays well, go get even *more* money elsewhere.

 

[JayNM]

If Revis takes this year off, he will get 6Mil from the Jets. If he signs with someone, they will pay the rest of the amount, up until that point

Revis is known to be financially-thrived, so I doubt he'll want play for less than 6 mil. Since I doubt BB would pay a lot for this version of Revis, this is a non-starter

 

[JetFan79]

If no team is offering him over 6M, why would any team pay him over vet minimum? This is a unique situation because there will not be any type of auction, unless he is looking for an extension. He will play for his team of choice at vet minimum. Why does Revis care who is paying him the remainder of the $6M? You can be darn sure he will use that fact to his advantage with any teams, in terms of negotiating non-monetary issues and perks.

I'm not gonna pretend to be some NFL contract guru, but I'm sure there's something in the contract that takes things like this into account. If they were smart enough to put in the offset clause, I'm sure they figured how other teams would try to work around it.

For example if a team offered a 3 year deal with vet minimum year one and then say 4 million the other two years. It'd probably average out somehow.

I'm hoping his value is around 4 or 5 million to a team. Hell, he was pretty good in 2015 and obviously still has the knowledge. Dude just got lazy and probably disinterested playing for a team lead by a piece of **** QB. Not ideal, but suppose it can happen. If he's motivated, of course he can still be a legit player. Just not worth the 15mil the Jets were on the hook for.

So some team may try to take advantage of the situation. Getting a guy who's market value may be 4 or 5mil for say 3 million per. In which case we'd save that 3mil.

Regardless, at bare minimum we would get the equivalent of the vet minimum back. I think around 1 million. Sign me up for that. Better than nothing.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Only thing in his belly was Shake Shack burgers apparently. He was 240 pounds last year. Very poor conditioning, why would we want an overweight corner who can't cover, and even at safety, not known as a great tackler. No thanks ! Loved Revis when he was here, but he burned bridges when he left, hoping Belichick leaves the bridges burnt.

In all fairness, Shake Shack is ****ing awesome.

The crowd who thinks BB will just accept it, I don't get that. And I can't think of an instance where BB has taken back a player or coach who has talked **** like that. Mangini has publicly apologized multiple times and he's dead to Bill. Dwayne Allen's comments after the game are probably a huge reason he's the first Colt that BB has ever traded for.

So those who think it will be as easy as just signing a deal are naive. They might as well preach about how world peace is so easy and it's no problem to make sure everyone has enough to eat every day and all it takes is a few songs and hand-holding and whatever other ******** exists in their view of the world. I prefer to live in reality.

 

[RobertWeathers]

In all fairness, Shake Shack is ****ing awesome.

The crowd who thinks BB will just accept it, I don't get that. And I can't think of an instance where BB has taken back a player or coach who has talked **** like that. Mangini has publicly apologized multiple times and he's dead to Bill. Dwayne Allen's comments after the game are probably a huge reason he's the first Colt that BB has ever traded for.

So those who think it will be as easy as just signing a deal are naive. They might as well preach about how world peace is so easy and it's no problem to make sure everyone has enough to eat every day and all it takes is a few songs and hand-holding and whatever other ******** exists in their view of the world. I prefer to live in reality.

Revis called him a jerk in 2011 ish and Ty Law called him a liar in 2004. They both played for NE after blasting BB.

BB doesn't give a crap as long as they work hard, respect what the organization is about and do everything it takes to win football games.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Revis called him a jerk in 2011 ish and Ty Law called him a liar in 2004. They both played for NE after blasting BB.

BB doesn't give a crap as long as they work hard, respect what the organization is about and do everything it takes to win football games.

Neither is anywhere near the level of the cheating accusations thrown out by Revis after he left.

Law at least had some respect from BB from the past few years already, so they worked it out for that season even though Law wasn't a key contributor due to injury, then he was released. So I wouldn't say it worked out all that well even for Law.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Neither is anywhere near the level of the cheating accusations thrown out by Revis after he left.

Law at least had some respect from BB from the past few years already, so they worked it out for that season even though Law wasn't a key contributor due to injury, then he was released. So I wouldn't say it worked out all that well even for Law.

Meh.

He comes out and says he didn't understand IGL and he talks away why he thought TB should accept the punishment.

If Revis plays great all is forgotten. Everyone knows he's a gun for hire and will sell his soul to whomever signs his checks

Ty was released because he was owed $12m and would not take a cut and not because BB held grudge.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I say dangle interest at him and put out all these back channel comments that we know he has a lot left in the tank if we were sure that he could publicly appreciate the Patriots dynasty, then mention a ridiculous number, just hypothetically, that could be on the table if he made it clear to fans where he really stood, and also confessed his sin of making up "cheaters" comments to please the likes of JEST fans... and also and also and also... make him make like 3 or 4 public statements, even have a meeting or two with him to make him continue to perform like a condemned man in a Stalinist show trial,

Then no.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Meh.

He comes out and says he didn't understand IGL and he talks away why he thought TB should accept the punishment.

If Revis plays great all is forgotten. Everyone knows he's a gun for hire and will sell his soul to whomever signs his checks

Ty was released because he was owed $12m and would not take a cut and not because BB held grudge.

I agree, there are ways for Revis to come back. But he absolutely has to make some type of public apology, I've said that before, and haven't seen anything close to resembling that. He can't just walk into the locker room and everyone is going to be okay with it.

The Law situation wasn't similar, but I do agree it had more to do with the cap hit than the name calling.

The difference is that Law and Revis (the first time) were critical of the man. I don't think he cares, or rather, he knows it's part of the business.

But I think he cares tremendously when you attack the program, which is what Revis did the second time, what Mangini did, and what Tomlin and ESPN and Sports Illustrated were doing in 2015 when he came out firing after a question about the headsets.

“But I’d just say on, kind of tying this in with a couple things from last week, or earlier in the week, I just think overall it’s kind sad, really, to see some stories written that obviously have an agenda to them with misinformation and anonymous type comments. Writing about warm drinks and trash cans and stuff like that. I mean it’s just, I think it’s a sad commentary and it’s really a very, it’s gone to a pretty low level. It’s sunk pretty deep. First of all I would say that our program here is built on competition and trying to improve every day and trying to work hard. And it’s not built on excuses. And we just try to go to work and improve and find a way to get better.

“This organization has won a lot of games, but particularly in reference to the great teams from ’01, ’03, ’04, back in there and all the great players that played that played on those teams: Ty Law, [Lawyer] Milloy, Otis Smith, Rodney Harrison, [Tedy] Bruschi, [Larry] Izzo, [Willie] McGinest, [Mike] Vrabel. [Anthony] Pleasant, [Richard] Seymour, Matt Light, [Joe] Andruzzi, Steve Neal, [Deion] Branch, Troy Brown, [Tom] Brady, Antowain Smith, Kevin Faulk, Corey Dillon, Lonie Paxton, [Adam] Vinatieri. To take away from what those guys accomplished, what those teams accomplished. How good they were. How many great players we had. How well they played in big games. How they consistently showed up and made big plays and game winning plays. It’s not right. Those guys were great players, and many more. Those are a few of them. And great teams.

“I’m not going to get into a back and forth on it, but that’s the way I feel about it.”

Bill Belichick responds strongly to ESPN, Sports Illustrated and Mike Tomlin

For a guy who doesn't seem to care what the media says or thinks, he clearly had read those pieces and felt the need to address them. And I think he read Revis's comments on the program loud and clear as well.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree, there are ways for Revis to come back. But he absolutely has to make some type of public apology, I've said that before, and haven't seen anything close to resembling that. He can't just walk into the locker room and everyone is going to be okay with it.

The Law situation wasn't similar, but I do agree it had more to do with the cap hit than the name calling.

The difference is that Law and Revis (the first time) were critical of the man. I don't think he cares, or rather, he knows it's part of the business.

But I think he cares tremendously when you attack the program, which is what Revis did the second time, what Mangini did, and what Tomlin and ESPN and Sports Illustrated were doing in 2015 when he came out firing after a question about the headsets.



Bill Belichick responds strongly to ESPN, Sports Illustrated and Mike Tomlin

For a guy who doesn't seem to care what the media says or thinks, he clearly had read those pieces and felt the need to address them. And I think he read Revis's comments on the program loud and clear as well.

Agree on Revis . He MUST say something.

I think BB and Ty hashed it out. He knew what Ty was trying to do.

No question on attacking the program. I think he holds the Tomlins and Polians of the world more accountable and will take them to task in his own way than players.

 

[Patriot Missile]

"And it's not built on excuses."

Clearly in my mind a retort towards Tomlin.

 

[shmessy]

Revis called him a jerk in 2011 ish and Ty Law called him a liar in 2004. They both played for NE after blasting BB.

BB doesn't give a crap as long as they work hard, respect what the organization is about and do everything it takes to win football games.

Nice try.

There is a HUGE difference between him calling BB a jerk and calling saying the Patriots were guilty in Deflategate while Deflategate was still being adjudicated. There is a difference between namecalling and almost literally throwing someone under a bus.

.....and Ty Law never played one snap for the New England Patriots after 2004.


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[RobertWeathers]

Nice try.

There is a HUGE difference between him calling BB a jerk and calling saying the Patriots were guilty in Deflategate while Deflategate was still being adjudicated. There is a difference between namecalling and almost literally throwing someone under a bus.

.....and Ty Law never played one snap for the New England Patriots after 2004.


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Read my other posts. It doesn't matter to BB what the hell a player says as long as once here, they fall in line in the locker and film room and help him win on the field

 

[shmessy]

Meh.

He comes out and says he didn't understand IGL and he talks away why he thought TB should accept the punishment.

You are completely misrepresenting what he said. You know better. It wasn't as innocent as you portray as "Gee, I don't understand science and Brady should just accept the punishment':

Mehta: Jets' Revis has no sympathy for ex-teammate Tom Brady

"...... (The Patriots) have a history of doing stuff. You can't hide that.… Tom was there when they did that stuff in the past."

......"New England's been doing stuff in the past and getting in trouble," Revis said. "When stuff repeatedly happens, then that's it. I don't know what else to tell you. Stuff repeatedly happened through the years. You got SpyGate, you got this and that and everything else. Obviously in those situations in the past, they had the evidence. So they did what they needed to do."


RW, I don't know why you continually want to turn those words - - which ARE in English - - into "Gee, I don't really know the science, Brady should just stand down".

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[shmessy]

Read my other posts. It doesn't matter to BB what the hell a player says as long as once here, they fall in line in the locker and film room and help him win on the field

Once again - - namecalling is not the same as making allegations of cheating.

You keep making the same flawed argument.

Show me ONE player whom BB took on after alleging the Patriots cheated.



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[RobertWeathers]

You are completely misrepresenting what he said. You know better. It wasn't as innocent as you portray as "Gee, I don't understand science and Brady should just accept the punishment':

Mehta: Jets' Revis has no sympathy for ex-teammate Tom Brady

"...... (The Patriots) have a history of doing stuff. You can't hide that.… Tom was there when they did that stuff in the past."

......"New England's been doing stuff in the past and getting in trouble," Revis said. "When stuff repeatedly happens, then that's it. I don't know what else to tell you. Stuff repeatedly happened through the years. You got SpyGate, you got this and that and everything else. Obviously in those situations in the past, they had the evidence. So they did what they needed to do."


RW, I don't know why you continually want to turn those words - - which ARE in English - - into "Gee, I don't really know the science, Brady should just stand down".

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He's was a Jet, "That's what we do"

I can't stand the SOB but my point is that is how he will explain it away IF he comes here

 

[RobertWeathers]

Once again - - namecalling is not the same as making allegations of cheating.

You keep making the same flawed argument.

Show me ONE player whom BB took on after alleging the Patriots cheated.



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That proves nothing. You can easily say those who did accuse the team of Spygate he didn't want anyway.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I'm not gonna pretend to be some NFL contract guru, but I'm sure there's something in the contract that takes things like this into account. If they were smart enough to put in the offset clause, I'm sure they figured how other teams would try to work around it.

For example if a team offered a 3 year deal with vet minimum year one and then say 4 million the other two years. It'd probably average out somehow.

I'm hoping his value is around 4 or 5 million to a team. Hell, he was pretty good in 2015 and obviously still has the knowledge. Dude just got lazy and probably disinterested playing for a team lead by a piece of **** QB. Not ideal, but suppose it can happen. If he's motivated, of course he can still be a legit player. Just not worth the 15mil the Jets were on the hook for.

So some team may try to take advantage of the situation. Getting a guy who's market value may be 4 or 5mil for say 3 million per. In which case we'd save that 3mil.

Regardless, at bare minimum we would get the equivalent of the vet minimum back. I think around 1 million. Sign me up for that. Better than nothing.

It doesn't take a contract guru to understand this. I think you went in the wrong direction with "if they were smart". I'm sure many of the Jets fans were to busy celebrating the "Jets 24, Patriots 0" headlines and didn't read some blurbs about the Patriots and that they would NEVER do a contract like this. And now you know why...

The only way the Jets get out of paying nearly the entire contract while Revis plays somewhere else is if a team were to offer Revis 6.1 million dollars or more and Revis signed that deal. Otherwise, there is no incentive for Revis to take any offer, whether it is $2M or $5.5M, since he will get $6M regardless. That is why Revis's agent already told teams he will play for the veteran's minimum, since it the Jets will foot the rest of the bill, and he is perfectly happy with that, becoming a dirt cheap asset. Revis will make $6M if he decides to sit out the season. If he decides to play, no one will offer him any contract that offsets or diminishes the free funding they are getting from the Jets.

Revis will likely play in the best situation where he can rebound his career in an attempt to cash in one more time next year. And the Jets will pay for it. That's why this deal was so dumb.

Those are the facts. Look them up.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I'm not gonna pretend to be some NFL contract guru, but I'm sure there's something in the contract that takes things like this into account. If they were smart enough to put in the offset clause, I'm sure they figured how other teams would try to work around it.

For example if a team offered a 3 year deal with vet minimum year one and then say 4 million the other two years. It'd probably average out somehow.

I'm hoping his value is around 4 or 5 million to a team. Hell, he was pretty good in 2015 and obviously still has the knowledge. Dude just got lazy and probably disinterested playing for a team lead by a piece of **** QB. Not ideal, but suppose it can happen. If he's motivated, of course he can still be a legit player. Just not worth the 15mil the Jets were on the hook for.

So some team may try to take advantage of the situation. Getting a guy who's market value may be 4 or 5mil for say 3 million per. In which case we'd save that 3mil.

Regardless, at bare minimum we would get the equivalent of the vet minimum back. I think around 1 million. Sign me up for that. Better than nothing.

Let's take a scenario and say the Patriots, Steelers, and Dolphins are all interested in Revis. Would they really "bid" against each other to drive up the price? Let's say the Dolphins won the "auction" at $5M. Now, Stephen Ross would sit down with Revis and ask him to take the veterans minimum from the Dolphins and take the rest of the money from the Jets. Obviously, with the Dolphins being his new team, why would he want to drive them away by insisting that they, not the Jets, pay the $5 they offered him?

But this won't happen, because teams AND Revis understand that this is the endgame and therefore it is a pointless exercise to talk about financials, as no team is signing him to a bigger contract the $6M.

The Jets wrote arguably the riskiest contract in NFL history to sign Revis in 2015. Now we understand why so many league insiders thought the deal was insane. The Jets did not include offset language, hence the guaranteed portion was way above league standards. That's why the Patriots did not match the offer or come close, due to offset clauses which guaranteed around 75% of the total deal. The Jets likely did not foresee this situation in year 3, though, because they are dumb.

 

[JetFan79]

Let's take a scenario and say the Patriots, Steelers, and Dolphins are all interested in Revis. Would they really "bid" against each other to drive up the price? Let's say the Dolphins won the "auction" at $5M. Now, Stephen Ross would sit down with Revis and ask him to take the veterans minimum from the Dolphins and take the rest of the money from the Jets. Obviously, with the Dolphins being his new team, why would he want to drive them away by insisting that they, not the Jets, pay the $5 they offered him?

But this won't happen, because teams AND Revis understand that this is the endgame and therefore it is a pointless exercise to talk about financials, as no team is signing him to a bigger contract the $6M.

The Jets wrote arguably the riskiest contract in NFL history to sign Revis in 2015. Now we understand why so many league insiders thought the deal was insane. The Jets did not include offset language, hence the guaranteed portion was way above league standards. That's why the Patriots did not match the offer or come close, due to offset clauses which guaranteed around 75% of the total deal. The Jets likely did not foresee this situation in year 3, though, because they are dumb.

Again, if the Jets even recover the 1 million vet minimum I'll be happy. That means they will have gotten out of the insanely terrible deal for 5mil. Not ideal, but not anything crazy bad either.

Besides I think there are good odds it'll be more than 1 mil. I see Revis wanting to play more than one more year. So he'll use the fact the Jets owe him 6mil this year to his advantage and tell any potential team to give him a 3 year deal @3 or 4mil per. If 3mil per at 3 years, he'll still make another 3mil from the Jets to average 4mil per. Not bad.

It's a nice bargaining chip for Revis to use. He'd be dumb not to take advantage of it.

Doubt he plays if a team doesn't give him a contract earning over 8 or 9 million.

We'll see soon enough.