The Patriots Should Not Trade Jimmy Garoppolo This Offseason

[conway]

That's the best idea I've heard. You could probably even do it for 2 years and $20 million. Put a lot of it in a signing bonus, that way it's guaranteed. Otherwise, a career ending injury this year would be devastating for JG. (Unlikley for a backup QB, but possible.) That would give him some security, mitigate the cap hit, and give Tom a chance to win 2 more then go riding off into the sunset. That still leaves plenty of room to sign Butler, Hightower, Branch and maybe Bennett and /or Long. I'm guessing Ryan and HArmon are gone regardless.

 

[jimnance]

so youre willing to sacrifice 10 more years of greatness in order to sign 1 or 2 players on defense for 1 year? i look long term, i guess im different than you

yes you are different than me. i live in reality.
10 years of greatness? based on what?i like jg but how about he shows he can stay on the field 1st?
1 or 2 defensive players for one year? that is an absurd statement. M.Butler is a top 5 cb in the nfl and will continue to be for years to come. Hightower is one of the best in the nfl and only 27. w/0 those-the Pats dont win sb li or sb 49. and they wont next year. or the year after.
So youre willing to rule out the Pats as SB contenders for at least the next 2 years.
And if Brady continues his high level for 2 more years and wants to play more -what do you do then? I guess youd tell Tom to take a hike and go with the "great" JG.
cmon man, are you really a jets fan?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Screw it
I'm in for the rest of Brady's career and maybe a couple more seasons if BB keeps coaching
Beyond that, I'm not supporting the corrupt NFL
Trade the JAG while the draft market for QBs sucks & desperate GMs fantasize about his 1 1/2 games before getting injured

Use the draft pick(s) generated by the trade to protect the GOAT and ensure a D that won't fail like in the SBs we lost

 

[IllegalContact]

It's a no brainer.......you can still get something for him after next year

 

[IllegalContact]

Screw it
I'm in for the rest of Brady's career and maybe a couple more seasons if BB keeps coaching
Beyond that, I'm not supporting the corrupt NFL
Trade the JAG while the draft market for QBs sucks & desperate GMs fantasize about his 1 1/2 games before getting injured

Use the draft pick(s) generated by the trade to protect the GOAT and ensure a D that won't fail like in the SBs we lost

that's assuming you can avoid the likes of dominique easley, ras-I dowling, darius butler, ron brace, laurence maroney, chad jackson, bethel johnson, adrian klemm

the Pats have plenty of draft picks AND tons of cap space

 

[billdog3484]

yes you are different than me. i live in reality.
10 years of greatness? based on what?i like jg but how about he shows he can stay on the field 1st?
1 or 2 defensive players for one year? that is an absurd statement. M.Butler is a top 5 cb in the nfl and will continue to be for years to come. Hightower is one of the best in the nfl and only 27. w/0 those-the Pats dont win sb li or sb 49. and they wont next year. or the year after.
So youre willing to rule out the Pats as SB contenders for at least the next 2 years.
And if Brady continues his high level for 2 more years and wants to play more -what do you do then? I guess youd tell Tom to take a hike and go with the "great" JG.
cmon man, are you really a jets fan?

You just dont get it. your premise is we cant be great if we spend 12M per year over 2 years. you exaggerate statements and try to phrase certain things as mutually exclusive of eachother when they are not. further, you make up straw arguments which have no relation to my point in order to try to attempt to prove yours.

 

[Alternator]

You just dont get it. your premise is we cant be great if we spend 12M per year over 2 years. you exaggerate statements and try to phrase certain things as mutually exclusive of eachother when they are not. further, you make up straw arguments which have no relation to my point in order to try to attempt to prove yours.

Unless Jimmy is secretly the second coming of Aaron Hernandez, and the Patriots are covering it up for him, then there's no way he's agreeing to take a Brady-like discount at this point in his career. I think you're suggesting an extension this offseason to add a year to his contract, and make the extension $25m (or whatever is needed to induce him to agree), mostly as a signing bonus to extend the cap hit over two years?

The problem people have with this idea is that there's no reason for Jimmy to agree unless the Patriots wave the right to franchise him - the big money is in a long-term starter's contract. He's still going to walk in two years, and the Patriots will (presumably) reap a third round comp pick when he does, and Brady is still expected to be playing, and we'll still have Jacoby available as a seemingly-good-quality backup.

And you just took a cap hit on Jimmy greater than the cap hit for franchising Butler.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

so youre willing to sacrifice 10 more years of greatness in order to sign 1 or 2 players on defense for 1 year? i look long term, i guess im different than you

I look long term as well in all the positions, but Brady is a special case IMO.. I think he is owed the opportunity to continue defining the record books as a New England Patriot until the wheels fall off..

Jimmy could be really good, but we can also use draft capital to bring young guys in and groom them.. We'll basically have 3 QBs on this roster now until Brady retires.. in the past, we kept 2 QBs most of the time and gained an extra spot out of it

Keep Jacoby and another young QB out of this draft, or next years draft, on the roster competing against each other as you evaluate them.. the winner of the competition gets the starting gig when Brady retires

 

[supafly]

we'll still have Jacoby available as a seemingly-good-quality backup.

The Brissett we saw this year could barely run a very limited offense, so while I'm very optimistic about his potential development, I'm skeptical to automatically assume that he'll be a "seemingly good quality backup" at the NFL level.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Well this is playing directly into BB's hands.

The media are all over the Garoppolo story. His value won't get any higher than this off-season.
If we cash in - we could reap a bounty of draft picks and take guys to help for next year and beyond.

So if a team like the 49ers or Bears offered say their high 2nd round pick this year and their 1st round pick next year for Jimmy G, you wouldn't take it?

 

[convertedpatsfan]

If Brady gets hurt, they're not winning the Super Bowl. Period.

Several teams have won championships with their starting QB missing time because of injury. It just happened last year with the Broncos, who got solid backup play from Brock Osweiler to help them secure HFA before Manning came back.

So it obviously hurts your chances, but it is possible.

 

[Simpelton]

I look long term as well in all the positions, but Brady is a special case IMO.. I think he is owed the opportunity to continue defining the record books as a New England Patriot until the wheels fall off..

Emotionally I agree, rationally speaking I do hope you realize what a departure that would be from the Patriot Way.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Emotionally I agree, rationally speaking I do hope you realize what a departure that would be from the Patriot Way.

I don't think its that much of a departure, the guy would have probably been MVP if not for the bogus suspension.. He's playing the best football of his career, takes incredible care of his body, runs faster than he did 15 years ago and claims he has never felt better...

It is not outrageous to think that he could maintain an elite level of play for another 1-2 years, then maybe fall off to a really good QB with a ton of experience for another 2.. Obviously that is barring any serious injury similar to what Peyton suffered, but short of some catastrophic injury I don't think its that far out in left field to think Brady could go a solid 4 more years at a high level of QB play

Humans continue to live longer and longer.. its believed that it was biologically designed to live about 150 years, but we just destroy it way too quickly.. I'd have to look up the quote, but some have claimed that there is a human living on earth right now that will be the first to live to 150 years old

I doubt Brady is that person haha, but he takes the absolute best care of his body that you possibly can to stay in incredible shape physically, physiologically, mentally, spiritually, etc...

Brett Favre played until he was 43 and he was cut from more of the old school cloth.. hike up your jeans and drink a brewski on the weekend type of player... He was a gunslinger that took absolutely vicious hits throughout his career that really beat him up over time.. Brady is obviously on a way more sophisticated training regiment than Favre was

So just from a physical standpoint, Brady is positioned much better than Favre was... but from a mental perspective, Brady will be approaching 20 years in this offensive system... he knows it more intimately than even some of the coordinators we've had.. the mental part of Brady's game is what will be the most significant factor in ensuring his longevity.. He knows the offense so well, he knows where every single player should be on every single play, against virtually every formation the defense can throw at him.. and he's an absolute technician mechanically.. so this allows him to get rid of the ball in nearly 2 seconds most of the time

I think its realistic enough based on who Brady is and everything he has proven up to this point that I would take him at his word that he'll be giving it everything he's got to play until he's 45.. he's certainly earned it... and in the mean time, keep 2 other young QBs on your roster to develop and compete




I'm just ranting a lot tonight, I like the discussion and I don't think there is a clear right or wrong answer.. I think that you can make a good argument either way on what the Patriots should do.. me personally, I want to see Brady give a middle finger to all his haters for another 5 years.. maybe win another ring.... or *gasp* 2??? Then ride off into the sunset as a mother ****ing legend of all legends lol

It will be fun to see what happens!

 

[Simpelton]

Yeah, but that's not what you said. you said he plays until the wheels fall off... by arguing that it will take awhile for the wheels to run anything but legendarily smoothly. I'm wondering what decision the Patriots might make if the wheels start wobbling a little. Telling me that you hope that won't happen for a long time tells me nothing.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Yeah, but that's not what you said. you said he plays until the wheels fall off... by arguing that it will take awhile for the wheels to run anything but legendarily smoothly. I'm wondering what decision the Patriots might make if the wheels start wobbling a little. Telling me that you hope that won't happen for a long time tells me nothing.

lol yea, I just said I "hope" Brady makes it.. I think I took the time to articulate my thoughts a bit more than that, but if that's how you want to respond I wont waste any more time on you

 

[RIP#40]

maybe im in the minority here. but im willing to eat $20M in cap room for 1 year to have a top notch pro bowl caliber QB for 10 years after

I'm with you.

 

[supafly]

I don't think its that much of a departure, the guy would have probably been MVP if not for the bogus suspension.. He's playing the best football of his career, takes incredible care of his body, runs faster than he did 15 years ago and claims he has never felt better...

It is not outrageous to think that he could maintain an elite level of play for another 1-2 years, then maybe fall off to a really good QB with a ton of experience for another 2.. Obviously that is barring any serious injury similar to what Peyton suffered, but short of some catastrophic injury I don't think its that far out in left field to think Brady could go a solid 4 more years at a high level of QB play

Humans continue to live longer and longer.. its believed that it was biologically designed to live about 150 years, but we just destroy it way too quickly.. I'd have to look up the quote, but some have claimed that there is a human living on earth right now that will be the first to live to 150 years old

I doubt Brady is that person haha, but he takes the absolute best care of his body that you possibly can to stay in incredible shape physically, physiologically, mentally, spiritually, etc...

Brett Favre played until he was 43 and he was cut from more of the old school cloth.. hike up your jeans and drink a brewski on the weekend type of player... He was a gunslinger that took absolutely vicious hits throughout his career that really beat him up over time.. Brady is obviously on a way more sophisticated training regiment than Favre was

So just from a physical standpoint, Brady is positioned much better than Favre was... but from a mental perspective, Brady will be approaching 20 years in this offensive system... he knows it more intimately than even some of the coordinators we've had.. the mental part of Brady's game is what will be the most significant factor in ensuring his longevity.. He knows the offense so well, he knows where every single player should be on every single play, against virtually every formation the defense can throw at him.. and he's an absolute technician mechanically.. so this allows him to get rid of the ball in nearly 2 seconds most of the time

I think its realistic enough based on who Brady is and everything he has proven up to this point that I would take him at his word that he'll be giving it everything he's got to play until he's 45.. he's certainly earned it... and in the mean time, keep 2 other young QBs on your roster to develop and compete




I'm just ranting a lot tonight, I like the discussion and I don't think there is a clear right or wrong answer.. I think that you can make a good argument either way on what the Patriots should do.. me personally, I want to see Brady give a middle finger to all his haters for another 5 years.. maybe win another ring.... or *gasp* 2??? Then ride off into the sunset as a mother ****ing legend of all legends lol

It will be fun to see what happens!

You make a quality argument in this post.

 

[jimnance]

You just dont get it. your premise is we cant be great if we spend 12M per year over 2 years. you exaggerate statements and try to phrase certain things as mutually exclusive of eachother when they are not. further, you make up straw arguments which have no relation to my point in order to try to attempt to prove yours.

Dude, just give it up. Your scenarios make zero sense. I didnt even touch on the most compeling reasons to trade JG this offseason, because I and others have done that ad nauseum in other threads. You really dont know what youre talking about so im not really interested in continuing this. Go study with Miguel for a while-get an understanding of Bradys up coming contract status over the next several years,the pats cap, the implications of tagging JG, the upcoming 2017 draft, the teams that need qbs and th available fa qbs. then add in what we know about how BB operates. study hard, come back and thenpost something that makes sense.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

From the other JAG thread...

Stop with the franchise and trade talk next year.
(1) Franchising him ties up our cap during FA until a deal is done. NOT a good idea.
(2) More importantly franchising him makes him immediately cost $$$ to the team signing him. Unlike trading him THIS year on a cheap tryout deal, next year a GM has to bet years of BIG bucks that JAG is a franchise QB. The risk involved will limit the bids...severely. And the draft pick will be markedly lower assuming that someone will even take that huge risk.
So NO.

 

[Simpelton]

Franchising him would sacrifice present trade value to hedge against the future of our own franchise. With an aging quarterback, if the franchise makes that decision I would consider it an acceptable decision.

BB really does need to anticipate at least the possibility that 2017 is the last year for Brady. Even if it isn't, they have to prepare as if it might be, because with older players you just never do quite know.

Do I think that Brissett could take this franchise in a positive direction if Brady took a career ending hit in game 1? He seems like a smart hardworking kid, but my answer to the question is no, probably not. I think we need to give Brissett another year under Brady's wing before making him the primary backup, to let him work on increasing the accuracy of his arm and the speed of his decision making, and that means we need Garoppolo for 1 more season.

Alternatively if do we make a trade, the value we get back had better reflect the fact that we are taking a risk in trading him.