OT: Bears crumbling, paving way for Jimmy G?

[patsinthesnow]

There's a difference between a running QB who can't hit 60% of his passes and a pocket QB who's hitting 70% of his passes.

Jimmy G's 6 quarter tape is nothing short of amazing especially considering Gronk didn't play.

The Cardinals D is #1 in yards as well as top 5 in many passing categories. The poise he showed to lead a game winning 4th quarter drive vs. them was awesome. He then proceeded to tear what appears to be a decent Dolphins defense to shreds.

Jimmy G may have been the MVP of the league if he played all 16 games. If teams don't want to pay for a QB with elite traits (release/accuracy) and some elite QB play on film then their loss.

Kizer, Trubinsky, and Watson can't sniff Garoppolo's jock as QB prospects. In fact I probably wouldn't be quick to trade Brissett for any of them. This QB class is horrible.


I don't care how much of a homer it makes me but I really believe Jimmy G is a top 10 QB and the best QB under 25 years old. We'll keep him and deal with the toughest decision in franchise history in the 2018 offseason if teams won't pay a premium.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Jimmy G's the real deal. I got a feeling the pats might regret trading this guy if they do. I really like his field vision. I would ask for a first round pick or two second round picks

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Jimmy G's 6 quarter tape is nothing short of amazing especially considering Gronk didn't play.

The Cardinals D is #1 in yards as well as top 5 in many passing categories. The poise he showed to lead a game winning 4th quarter drive vs. them was awesome. He then proceeded to tear what appears to be a decent Dolphins defense to shreds.

Jimmy G may have been the MVP of the league if he played all 16 games. If teams don't want to pay for a QB with elite traits (release/accuracy) and some elite QB play on film then their loss.

Kizer, Trubinsky, and Watson can't sniff Garoppolo's jock as QB prospects. In fact I probably wouldn't be quick to trade Brissett for any of them. This QB class is horrible.


I don't care how much of a homer it makes me but I really believe Jimmy G is a top 10 QB and the best QB under 25 years old. We'll keep him and deal with the toughest decision in franchise history in the 2018 offseason if teams won't pay a premium.

I agree. I think all those QBs ain't better than jimmy.

 

[Love The Drake]

Keep him
I dont want to see 2019 when we are brushing the dirt off of Jay Cutler and have Jeff Fisher as a head coach.

Shudders.

What makes a ton of sense is if The Bears are smart and grab Macdaniels and Caserio then Belichick trades Jimmy to Chicago and Josh snaps up Blount and Danny A he can seemlessly install his offense.
I hope all of Josh Nick and Jimmy stay.

 

[pazrul72]

I understand all of this but there is not enough tape on Garappollo to proof that he is that good. Now fortunately the opposite is also true meaning that there is no tape showing big issues but I think people are getting carried away a bit with his stats line when the most important trait for a QB (apart from competency) is to be consistent.

If the Pats wanna put him on the block they will market the **** out of his performance while all potential trade partners will emphasize that he only played 1.5 games in total.

We will see but I wouldn't be surprised if the returns will once again underwhelm a lot of people here.

My opinion of Grop has nothing to do with stat lines as it's a small sample against not great competition it's the throws I saw him make and his command of the offense. That 3rd and 15 throw in the 4th against Arizona was as big boy a completion as you will find in the NFL. He doesn't lock on to receivers often going to his second or third read. Mobile enough to be a threat but is constantly looking downfield. I am seriously disappointed he did not come out of the draft 2-3 years later because he has a lot of the rare skills you need to be a franchise QB and he would be fun to watch wearing the flying Elvis for the next 10 years. Consolation prize being we still have the GOAT for the next 2-5 years and I am all in for making the team around him as strong as possible for that time. Can you imagine getting an all pro caliber back behind Brady, what that will do for his shelf life? How unstoppable this offense will be? I think swapping firsts for Jimmy could make that happen

 

[rochrist]

Jimmy G's the real deal. I got a feeling the pats might regret trading this guy if they do. I really like his field vision. I would ask for a first round pick or two second round picks

That's my nightmare. We trade him and he's a top 5 QB for the next 10 years.

 

[rochrist]

For people dead set against trading Garoppolo, just remember back to Sunday and remember how the QB who was dubbed as the future of NFL just three years ago looked as the starter in San Fran. And people were calling him that after a full year that ended in a Super Bowl appearance and not just six quarters.

The difference is, Newton never had the qualities elite QBs require. He's a freak of nature, but in terms of release and accuracy (and football intelligence), I'd rate him way behind JG.

 

[meatface]

Not if you want this team to go thru the dark ages post brady

Jimmy G isnt going to stay here and backup Brady just because you want him to.

 

[meatface]

The difference is, Newton never had the qualities elite QBs require. He's a freak of nature, but in terms of release and accuracy (and football intelligence), I'd rate him way behind JG.

just to be clear, you are saying Jimmy G is better than Cam Newton, based on Jimmy's 2 starts? He hasnt even played 8 quarters as a starter, **** he didnt play 6 full quarters as a starter

 

[Ring 6]

That's my nightmare. We trade him and he's a top 5 QB for the next 10 years.

If you trade him it becomes about who takes his place as the next QB (as well as what you get).
The idea that trading a guy who could become good is a nightmare is wrong. Who cares what his new team does, unless they do it to us?

 

[luuked]

My opinion of Grop has nothing to do with stat lines as it's a small sample against not great competition it's the throws I saw him make and his command of the offense. That 3rd and 15 throw in the 4th against Arizona was as big boy a completion as you will find in the NFL. He doesn't lock on to receivers often going to his second or third read. Mobile enough to be a threat but is constantly looking downfield. I am seriously disappointed he did not come out of the draft 2-3 years later because he has a lot of the rare skills you need to be a franchise QB and he would be fun to watch wearing the flying Elvis for the next 10 years.

I certainly respect your opinion because mine is not far away from that. However, I have seen many rookie QB start out red-hot only to be brought back down to earth after opponents have figured them out. Similarly, we have not seen how Jimmy deals with real adversity. The game against Arizona was tough but it was never a "comeback" situation. Mechanically I agree he appears to be sound.

We will see..

Consolation prize being we still have the GOAT for the next 2-5 years and I am all in for making the team around him as strong as possible for that time. Can you imagine getting an all pro caliber back behind Brady, what that will do for his shelf life? How unstoppable this offense will be? I think swapping firsts for Jimmy could make that happen

This is a conversation for a different place I think but to be honest I'd invest the potential draft picks form a JG trade into upgrading the trenches. If anything the Dallas OL has shown how much this helps young QBs to develop because it takes pressure of them on many levels. But that's a different conversation altogether.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I was impressed with his short work. I think other teams could wait till he becomes a free agent. IMO he's better then all these qbs in the 2017 draft.

 

[patsinthesnow]

My opinion of Grop has nothing to do with stat lines as it's a small sample against not great competition it's the throws I saw him make and his command of the offense. That 3rd and 15 throw in the 4th against Arizona was as big boy a completion as you will find in the NFL. He doesn't lock on to receivers often going to his second or third read. Mobile enough to be a threat but is constantly looking downfield. I am seriously disappointed he did not come out of the draft 2-3 years later because he has a lot of the rare skills you need to be a franchise QB and he would be fun to watch wearing the flying Elvis for the next 10 years. Consolation prize being we still have the GOAT for the next 2-5 years and I am all in for making the team around him as strong as possible for that time. Can you imagine getting an all pro caliber back behind Brady, what that will do for his shelf life? How unstoppable this offense will be? I think swapping firsts for Jimmy could make that happen

I like what you posted but to be fair to Jimmy G the Dolphins are currently 6-4 with a defense 14th in yards, 15th in points, and 8th in qbr. He threw three TDs in 18 minutes. Luck's had two games his entire career with a qbr higher than Garoppolo did vs. Miami.

 

[pazrul72]

I certainly respect your opinion because mine is not far away from that. However, I have seen many rookie QB start out red-hot only to be brought back down to earth after opponents have figured them out. Similarly, we have not seen how Jimmy deals with real adversity. The game against Arizona was tough but it was never a "comeback" situation. Mechanically I agree he appears to be sound.

We will see..



This is a conversation for a different place I think but to be honest I'd invest the potential draft picks form a JG trade into upgrading the trenches. If anything the Dallas OL has shown how much this helps young QBs to develop because it takes pressure of them on many levels. But that's a different conversation altogether.

Fair enough cuz there have been loads of examples of QB's getting hot and playing at an all pro level for short periods of time. The name is slipping my mind but Josh McDonalds first year in Denver had a guy throwing 3 td's a game with no picks for the first 6 weeks. Then the wheels came off and Josh got fired. I am looking at trade value though and QB's have historically been over valued and gotten insane blockbuster deals. Matt Flynn had one monster game and look at that trade. Wow my brain is not working today....san Diego had some no name backup they traded to Seattle for a high second pick a couple years ago before finding Wilson. It's not exactly the same due to the longer contract and lower age but look what was given up for RGIII or Mariota. All I am saying is it's not insane THIS year due to the utter crap in the draft to think some desperate team won't think that Jimmy is a better use of their lottery ticket then over drafting a flawed rookie. Now your point that it's a small sample and Jimmy getting injuried makes it less likely is legit. If he had lit it up for 4 games I think the pats would be looking at a first and change and what that and change is would depend on finding 2-3 desperate teams to bid against each other. That IMO is most likely no longer on the table as durability questions knock the price tag down. Plenty of guys who looked great but can't stay on the field *cough* Bradford *cough* around the league too. If I was the GM my starting price for Grop is a top 15 pick anything under that I am perfectly content to have a quality backup for my soon to be 40 year old starter.

Your right that's a whole nother conversation and yeah everything starts in the trenches. I haven't done too much research into this years draft class but I have heard there are 2-3 elite backs coming out so that's why I said it. I certainly would not complain with a stud tackle or monster DL to pair with Brown.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I hate peeple whom ca'nt spell, and, dont have good grandma. Its ridickulus. And Nate Soldier is my favorite player.


Brady's going nowhere. Sadly, Jimmy G must go. Will the Bears' #3 pick be the G spot? I'd take it. And I think I'd do it if I were the Bears.

Not bad compared to some of the stuff I see on Facebook

 

[pazrul72]

I like what you posted but to be fair to Jimmy G the Dolphins are currently 6-4 with a defense 14th in yards, 15th in points, and 8th in qbr. He threw three TDs in 18 minutes. Luck's had two games his entire career with a qbr higher than Garoppolo did vs. Miami.

They have certainly improved and seem to be the main competition in the AFCeast right now but at the time they were viewed as total garbage. Going to Luuked point they had started to figure him out a little before he got hurt and I would have been very interested to see how he responded to that in the second half. If he had figured out them figuring him out I believe we would be having a very different conversation about how much Jimmy is worth

 

[Deus Irae]

The difference is, Newton never had the qualities elite QBs require. He's a freak of nature, but in terms of release and accuracy (and football intelligence), I'd rate him way behind JG.

Newton is the Panthers QB. The QB being discussed, in the post you quoted, is Kaepernick.

just to be clear, you are saying Jimmy G is better than Cam Newton, based on Jimmy's 2 starts? He hasnt even played 8 quarters as a starter, **** he didnt play 6 full quarters as a starter

Yeah, Rochrist went crazy on his post, getting the QB wrong and then blowing the analysis of Newton. That sort of thing happens to all of us, eventually.

 

[Rob0729]

The difference is, Newton never had the qualities elite QBs require. He's a freak of nature, but in terms of release and accuracy (and football intelligence), I'd rate him way behind JG.

You mean Kaepernick. Because I was talking about Kaepernick.

But we don't know if Garoppolo has the qualities of an elite QB either. How can we from such a small sample size? We still haven't seen a team game plan against him to exploit his weaknesses. His two biggest weaknesses (at least of what we know of) are his height and his propensity to hold onto the ball too long when he doesn't get rid of the ball really quick. In the first two games this year, both defenses gave his receivers a clean release off the line and didn't flood the center of the field to make his passing lanes muddled.

Until I see Garoppolo play long enough for teams to get a book on him and actually game plan around him, I ain't buying the hype on the guy. We have seen this story too many times.

Even in the Miami game, Miami started to change up what they did on defense a little bit and Garoppolo was a mixed bag in his last 3 drives. In his last three drives, he completed three of nine passes for 39 yards with a sack. Was that an aberration or was that a sign that teams were going to figure him out? Who knows? But we can't gleam much more from his play before those three drives.

 

[rochrist]

just to be clear, you are saying Jimmy G is better than Cam Newton, based on Jimmy's 2 starts? He hasnt even played 8 quarters as a starter, **** he didnt play 6 full quarters as a starter

I'd be quite willing to bet that he WILL be better than Newton, yeah.

 

[rochrist]

Newton is the Panthers QB. The QB being discussed, in the post you quoted, is Kaepernick.



Yeah, Rochrist went crazy on his post, getting the QB wrong and then blowing the analysis of Newton. That sort of thing happens to all of us, eventually.

Yes, I missed that it was about SF. Certainly if I were building a team I'd rather have JG than Kaepernick.

I don't see what's wrong with saying that Newton isn't very accurate. He isn't. He struggles to get to a 60 percent completion rate, which is pretty much the floor for modern NFL QBs.