Brady, Patriots Agree to a 2-Year Extension, What it Means

[Deus Irae]

We seem to be undervaluing a good backup QB with physical skills and experience learning under the system.

On what are you basing this theory?

 

[Gronk]

Agreed, knowing that Brady's been extended is great, and strongly suggests that both sides intend to keep him around for a good while longer, and that Brady-vs.-Garoppolo isn't going to become a thing.. That's awesome, don't mean to undersell that at all. This could just be a cap move to spread out his cap hit over a couple more years. I doubt it, since I believe that he intends to play even past this new contract, but it's a possibility.

On the other side, the possibility's always in play with Brady that they might have executed the most team-friendly deal in the history of the league. Something like two years at vet minimum while his salary over the next couple years is converted to a signing bonus that will be spread out over the life of his total contract, or something crazy like that that makes him even cheaper now and in the future.

I don't think either of those extremes is the case--safe bet that the contract will end up being somewhere in the middle--but I'm really intrigued to see the specifics, because that's what will tell us what the road map is for the next few years.

Someone else (don't recall who, sorry!) made the point in a not-too-distant thread that given Brady's stated desire to play into his 40's, the other part to look at with his contract restructures is the compromise from his side of the deal is that in exchange for not demanding top-dollar QB money, his contracts generally stay 2+ years out with significant dead-money hits that prevent the team from releasing/cutting him the way they have so many other players. So I don't really think there's any scenario in which this deal is any different - it will save them some money on the cap in the short-term, they'll be cutting him a large check, and it will solidify his place as the starter for the length of the deal. Then in 2018 they hopefully are forced do it again because of his back-to-back MVP SB winning seasons. At which point half this board erupts wanting him traded while he still has value.

I think he could potentially be a great even Hall of fame level

That's a little bit overly speculative lol

 

[Kdo5]

We'll see. I think a second is more likely. Remember how everyone thought Hoyer and Mallett were going to fetch a first?

I still don't see why people think Jimmy is destined to be some kind of franchise QB. He has the potential to be a good player but I have yet to see anything from the guy that could wind up with us receiving a high draft pick. The jury is out on the guy until he plays a significant number of regular season games. I'm not convinced by JG, not based on what we've seen of him. He had a great preseason in 2014 but that's really it.

 

[Froob]

I still don't see why people think Jimmy is destined to be some kind of franchise QB. He has the potential to be a good player but I have yet to see anything from the guy that could wind up with us receiving a high draft pick. The jury is out on the guy until he plays a significant number of regular season games. I'm not convinced by JG, not based on what we've seen of him. He had a great preseason in 2014 but that's really it.

Yeah we havent seen that much but, from what I have seen he just seems to have "it." Has great poise. The value probably isn't there yet but I really do think he'll do great things somewhere given the right situation.

 

[Froob]

Someone else (don't recall who, sorry!) made the point in a not-too-distant thread that given Brady's stated desire to play into his 40's, the other part to look at with his contract restructures is the compromise from his side of the deal is that in exchange for not demanding top-dollar QB money, his contracts generally stay 2+ years out with significant dead-money hits that prevent the team from releasing/cutting him the way they have so many other players. So I don't really think there's any scenario in which this deal is any different - it will save them some money on the cap in the short-term, they'll be cutting him a large check, and it will solidify his place as the starter for the length of the deal. Then in 2018 they hopefully are forced do it again because of his back-to-back MVP SB winning seasons. At which point half this board erupts wanting him traded while he still has value.


That's a little bit overly speculative lol

Gotta start somewhere. Like Jae Crowder says it all started in the driveway.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

The Pats wouldn't be able to take a 1st this year anyway, it would just get stolen by the league. Maybe a 2nd and 3rd, although I don't think any other team would be willing to pay that price. Sitting behind Brady didn't make Cassel, Hoyer, or Mallett notably good starters, so I don't think anyone's going to pay a significant premium for the "learned from Brady" factor. Having said that, I do think Garoppolo is significantly more talented than any of those guys that came before him.

I wonder if Dallas would give up their 2nd round pick for him. Jones says Romo is going to be their QB for the next 5 years, but anyone else in this world knows that's more of a fantasy then a reality. Also, if they didn't learn the importance of a quality backup after this season they would be just plain stupid (this is the Cowboys were talking about though) Theres talk about them taking a QB in the first, which would probably be a reach, but considering their roster talent is decent and they're a contender, a 2nd might be worth it.

You can't forget both Romo and Jimmy went to the same school. Just a thought.

 

[Gronk]

Gotta start somewhere. Like Jae Crowder says it all started in the driveway.

I get ya, I just think maybe start with the idea that you think JG could absolutely win a starting job somewhere in the league instead of "if he gets a chance, PROBABLY HOF". Jobs that are realistically 'open' in the sense that if someone traded for him he would start right away are what Houston, Cleveland, Philly, Jets, Rams. Maybe Niners join that group depending on what they do. As HawaiianFan just mentioned Dallas is an intriguing scenario, but in the sense of doing what's best for the 2016 Patriots I don't think they should move him.

I like the guy too, I hope he does get a chance to at least truly compete for a job somewhere someday. I see some of the poise you speak of and I am comfortable in his ability to fill in and spot-start and keep the team reasonably competitive in the event of an injury or suspension. That being said, there is an ocean-sized distance between him appearing to have some good qualities being in that role and doing what Tom did in the AFCCG by keeping them in a game on the road, undermanned, everything going wrong, all while taking a beating most 20-something-year-old QBs wouldn't get up from. Even in defeat, that one goes on the wall for my as evidence of his GOATness.

I guess using TB as the standard is a bit unfair as plenty of successful QBs are nowhere near his level (but you did say HOF...), I just think there is a tendency to overvalue backup/depth players on the home team. (As well as to undervalue some starters, and want them cut every time they're not perfect or a comparable player on another team makes a single dollar less in salary...but that's a different story).

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

If a team is smart they offer a 1st for Jimmy. Sitting behind Brady and maturing he will most likely be ready to start week 1 for teams that need a QB.

Cassell, Hoyer, Mallett....

I don't think sitting behind Brady and maturing is that appealing to other teams anymore

 

[JarOfMayo51]

What does this extension mean?

Well to find the answer to that question, I went over to the Colts board. Apparently the Pats intentionally went with this extension to take the spotlight from Manning's inevitable retirement and to thumb their noses at the league.

I didnt believe it at first, but given the high level of intelligence and credibility of Colts posters over there, I'm sure they know the truth

 

[SalemPats]

Cassell, Hoyer, Mallett....

I don't think sitting behind Brady and maturing is that appealing to other teams anymore

Jimmy is a good prospect, from what we have seen he looks like an accurate, smart QB with mobility. I put him as a way better prospect than those guys

 

[Gronk]

What does this extension mean?

Well to find the answer to that question, I went over to the Colts board. Apparently the Pats intentionally went with this extension to take the spotlight from Manning's inevitable retirement and to thumb their noses at the league.

I didnt believe it at first, but given the high level of intelligence and credibility of Colts posters over there, I'm sure they know the truth

Yeah they sure did drop their nuts in the face of the Manning retirement story

 

[Huckleberry1]

What does this extension mean?

Well to find the answer to that question, I went over to the Colts board. Apparently the Pats intentionally went with this extension to take the spotlight from Manning's inevitable retirement and to thumb their noses at the league.

I didnt believe it at first, but given the high level of intelligence and credibility of Colts posters over there, I'm sure they know the truth

I'm sure they are right, it's about the sex offender not about gaining cap room prior to free agency.

 

[TomPatriot]

If a team is smart they offer a 1st for Jimmy. Sitting behind Brady and maturing he will most likely be ready to start week 1 for teams that need a QB.

What?? JG couldn't beat out a 38 year old sixth round draft choice?

 

[Huckleberry1]

The top of this draft isn't as strong as most years so paying a high price to get into the end if the first round doesn't make much sense to me. If they see a prospect they really like, e.g...Gronk, then they can move into, the top 50 by trading their 2nd and 3rd, and if they need to go higher they could throw in a 3rd in 2017. As things stand right now I would prefer this approach while hanging on to Garrapolo, and unless someone gives them a first round pick I don't see much sense in moving Garrapolo at all because they will get a comp 3rd for him if he moves on in two years As a free agent. I'm not saying they will get a first for him only that they should hold out for one and hang onto him if no one gives it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

What does this extension mean?

Well to find the answer to that question, I went over to the Colts board. Apparently the Pats intentionally went with this extension to take the spotlight from Manning's inevitable retirement and to thumb their noses at the league.

I didnt believe it at first, but given the high level of intelligence and credibility of Colts posters over there, I'm sure they know the truth

So the Pats are pulling a Scott Boras and announce the A-Rod extension the night the Sox win the 2007 WS?

They are a pathetic fan base. Bunch of sh_t-kicking yokels.

 

[Clonamery]

I wonder if Dallas would give up their 2nd round pick for him. Jones says Romo is going to be their QB for the next 5 years, but anyone else in this world knows that's more of a fantasy then a reality. Also, if they didn't learn the importance of a quality backup after this season they would be just plain stupid (this is the Cowboys were talking about though) Theres talk about them taking a QB in the first, which would probably be a reach, but considering their roster talent is decent and they're a contender, a 2nd might be worth it.

You can't forget both Romo and Jimmy went to the same school. Just a thought.

I'd do that deal if Jones makes the Commissioner to give our picks back.

 

[BTTA]

The top of this draft isn't as strong as most years so paying a high price to get into the end if the first round doesn't make much sense to me. If they see a prospect they really like, e.g...Gronk, then they can move into, the top 50 by trading their 2nd and 3rd, and if they need to go higher they could throw in a 3rd in 2017. As things stand right now I would prefer this approach while hanging on to Garrapolo, and unless someone gives them a first round pick I don't see much sense in moving Garrapolo at all because they will get a comp 3rd for him if he moves on in two years As a free agent. I'm not saying they will get a first for him only that they should hold out for one and hang onto him if no one gives it.

Detail: IF JG is worthy of a first, why involve a first round pick at all this year? It will be a higher pick than the Pats', so they'd just lose it as soon as the trade is finalized. It would make more sense to couple a 2nd round pick and a lower pick.

 

[BTTA]

What does this extension mean?

Well to find the answer to that question, I went over to the Colts board. Apparently the Pats intentionally went with this extension to take the spotlight from Manning's inevitable retirement and to thumb their noses at the league.

I didnt believe it at first, but given the high level of intelligence and credibility of Colts posters over there, I'm sure they know the truth

Good Lord, talk about narcissism. They really think that the Pats created all this excellence by paying this kind of attention to the other teams? Someone should inform them that the Pats player personnel people probably barely even registered that Manning is retiring.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Detail: IF JG is worthy of a first, why involve a first round pick at all this year? It will be a higher pick than the Pats', so they'd just lose it as soon as the trade is finalized. It would make more sense to couple a 2nd round pick and a lower pick.

I'm not saying they can get a first for him only that they should hold out for one. To me it doesn't make sense to use a second and spend two- three years grooming him only to trade him for a second. I get your point as to losing the higher first and could only see them trading for the higher pick if we're within 2-3 picks of their original pick at 29, and only then if they were certain to get a prospect they love, which would be almost impossible to do. I would rather they package some picks to move into the top 40 for a prospect they love and then move Garrapolo next year if they get the deal they want.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'd do that deal if Jones makes the Commissioner to give our picks back.

I would rather they tell Jones to go f.ck himself if he calls for Garrapolo and trade him to Philly to spite him.