Would you trade Mallett and Amendola to the Texans for the #33 pick in the draft?

[50-yard-line]

The Patriots would make that trade, but I don't think Houston would want any part of it.

No, the Patriots most certainly WOULD NOT make that trade. Houston probably would.

 

[Brady6]

Oh... look..... another Brady6 thread.... getting old.

This post goes good with this one back on 11/15/2013.

Op... How many threads are you going to start?

Two of you last five posts were posts were taking issue with what I do on this site, aside from that you talked about the wind, cost of a hoodie, and your order for vet plates, oh and Breaking Bad. The last thing you should worry about is what I talk about on this board, just because I have ideas and possess the fortitude to present them to others, which apparently you do not have.

 

[Brady6]

do they throw in JJ Watt too?

No it would take a lot more to get Watt, more than we have x2.

 

[Brady6]

NO BB would NEVER make that trade. Accellerating Amendola's deal into dead money, would kill it.

Just because Dumb and Dumber Draftniks want another pick to play with, does not mean BB is stupid too, and would screw up his CAP to end up with 2 fewer players,as well.

The cap would implications could be avoided if they restructured Amendola and pushed some of the guaranteed money into 2015. At the end of the day it comes down to a direction, does the team want to continue to move forward committed to both Edelman and Amendola, and if they prefer Edelman can they pair him and Mallett and get the #33 pick in return. That is value and gives them a committed direction.

The second scenario is also to franchise Edelman as if they did with Cassel in 2009 and then pair him with, Mallett and trade them to the Texans and proceed with Amendola.

I am just looking at options, ways to generate more picks in a deep draft and we have assets that would be sout after by O’Brien, if he selects Clowney then Mallett and a capable slot receiver would be outstanding value for the #33 pick in my opinion. We are giving up a slot receiver that we would likely cut after this season (or Edelman who we would let walk this offseason) and a backup QB who will likely go elsewhere to start after this season, so it is a good deal for us if you look at it from that sense.

 

[50-yard-line]

I am just looking at options, ways to generate more picks in a deep draft

We have an awful lot of players under contract now. One of the reasons we're not way under the cap, as you know, is that we've got essentially a full team in front of us.

I don't know that racking up the picks would be good policy this year. Better trading up to get the guys you really want.

I mean, how many draft picks would we add to the roster? I wish this draft had come last year.

Suppose Armstead is ready to go, Kelly and Wilfork are expected back and Red Bryant comes available...Buchanon seems to have good upside. At that point, you draft 1 DT, tops. Spend the first pick there if Tuitt, Donald, or Hageman are available (and it's one of the guys BB thinks would fit).

Okay, now go draft your tight end with your second pick - ASJ, Fied, or Niklas...one will be there, likely. if more than one is there, trade up from your third pick and use this pick to grab an OL - Su'a'Filo, Bitonio, Zack Martin (push him to Guard), one of the three centers... Get the TE with the other pick.

After that, look for a hidden gold mine. Did Michael Sam drop far enough to be worth a pick? Lyerla (hope not)? Logan Thomas as a TE?

The point is, there really isn't a lot of room to go around on the Pats atm. The Pats are a deep team, and with the front-liners back, with a couple of FA moves and retention, what's the chance that they've got room for more than a few rookies?

 

[Brady6]

We have an awful lot of players under contract now. One of the reasons we're not way under the cap, as you know, is that we've got essentially a full team in front of us.



I don't know that racking up the picks would be good policy this year. Better trading up to get the guys you really want.



I mean, how many draft picks would we add to the roster? I wish this draft had come last year.



Suppose Armstead is ready to go, Kelly and Wilfork are expected back and Red Bryant comes available...Buchanon seems to have good upside. At that point, you draft 1 DT, tops. Spend the first pick there if Tuitt, Donald, or Hageman are available (and it's one of the guys BB thinks would fit).



Okay, now go draft your tight end with your second pick - ASJ, Fied, or Niklas...one will be there, likely. if more than one is there, trade up from your third pick and use this pick to grab an OL - Su'a'Filo, Bitonio, Zack Martin (push him to Guard), one of the three centers... Get the TE with the other pick.



After that, look for a hidden gold mine. Did Michael Sam drop far enough to be worth a pick? Lyerla (hope not)? Logan Thomas as a TE?



The point is, there really isn't a lot of room to go around on the Pats atm. The Pats are a deep team, and with the front-liners back, with a couple of FA moves and retention, what's the chance that they've got room for more than a few rookies?

I hear you, I am just thinking outside the box. I don't think it is our last chance but given Brady's age I view 2014 as our best chance to put one ring on the GOATs finger.

 

[50-yard-line]

I hear you, I am just thinking outside the box. I don't think it is our last chance but given Brady's age I view 2014 as our best chance to put one ring on the GOATs finger.

How many rookies started for Seattle in the Superbowl this year? None.

For Denver? Montee Ball and Sylvester Williams (28th pick).

That's it. There's a reason people are looking for that second year jump - it's because the first year is too fast for most rookies, particularly near the end of the year, when they hit the proverbial wall (playoffs).

It's been said a million times: once you get past the first round, the odds of getting someone who will play in the NFL diminish greatly.

 

[Joker]

How many rookies started for Seattle in the Superbowl this year? None.

For Denver? Montee Ball and Sylvester Williams (28th pick).

That's it. There's a reason people are looking for that second year jump - it's because the first year is too fast for most rookies, particularly near the end of the year, when they hit the proverbial wall (playoffs).

It's been said a million times: once you get past the first round, the odds of getting someone who will play in the NFL diminish greatly.

a very astute post...yet it will be met with the proverbial hands over the ears, tantrum babble from the fantasy geeks that expect every single player picked in the draft to come in and perform at or near All Pro level immediately.

 

[OhExaulted1]

No it would take a lot more to get Watt, more than we have x2.

JJ Watt has about a .01% chance of ever wearing a Patriot uniform. Even if a deal isn't done at the end of the year Houston will franchise him.

 

[varjao]

man forget that #33 pick , it ain't gonna happen.

 

[Froob]

Not happening, how does Mallet go from 3rd round pick to doing nothing for 3 years to being basically a 1st round pick? Not to mention he's entering a contract year and you're going to have to pay him lowering his value even more. 3rd round pick at best. Zero chance Houston gives that up.

 

[strngplyr]

Not happening, how does Mallet go from 3rd round pick to doing nothing for 3 years to being basically a 1st round pick? Not to mention he's entering a contract year and you're going to have to pay him lowering his value even more. 3rd round pick at best. Zero chance Houston gives that up.

Because he's a New England Patriot. Our backups at every position have immense trade value.

You haven't been following this team for too long have you?

 

[primetime]

I did not know that every question we asked had to have a genesis.

What would the Patriots do if Tom Brady was rendered unconscious by a meteorite striking his house

 

[OhExaulted1]

man forget that #33 pick , it ain't gonna happen.

I'll take a 2 if someone coughs it up. HOU, CLE, JAX, MIN and maybe even OAK and TEN all need a signal caller. Anywhere from 33-42. I'm still trying to figure out why no one really mentions any team other than Houston. All this stems from is a Gil Brandt speculation tweet. Why not speculate on the Browns #35 pick? Or Jax @39. Or Minn @40? All the Vikes have is Ponder on their roster.

Bortles, Manziel and Bridgewater all seem like they'll be gone quick, so one of these four top QB needy teams is looking at a pretty poor FA QB market or our guy. He'll get moved, but I wouldn't single out Houston as the only destination.

 

[Sciz]

Not happening, how does Mallet go from 3rd round pick to doing nothing for 3 years to being basically a 1st round pick? Not to mention he's entering a contract year and you're going to have to pay him lowering his value even more. 3rd round pick at best. Zero chance Houston gives that up.

Well if we're talking about Houston, then BO'B saw him in practice every day for his rookie season and Godsey did for all three. They should have an awfully good idea of where he's at right now.

Now if we're talking about a team like Minnesota, then I agree that it'd be hard to make any trade with no real idea of how his value has changed in three years.

 

[supafly]

Bortles, Manziel and Bridgewater all seem like they'll be gone quick, so one of these four top QB needy teams is looking at a pretty poor FA QB market or our guy. He'll get moved, but I wouldn't single out Houston as the only destination.

I think people are singling out HOU as the most obvious destination due to BOB's familiarity with Mallett. Of course, we're also making a huge assumption that BOB actually thinks highly enough of Mallett to give up a top 3 round pick. For all we know, he and Belichick had many conversations about Mallett's limitations and BOB doesn't even see him as any big deal. Not meaning to sound pessimistic, but the thinking goes both ways.

In terms of the free agent QB market this year, there are going to be some other guys who others may deem as worthy enough to get them competition for a starter, or even starting QB caliber play for another year or two. Those players include Michael Vick, Matt Cassel, and Matt Schaub. There are 3 QBs right there that are probably going to attract some attention compared to Ryan Mallett and his unknown potential; especially if you consider the possibility of needing to sign Mallett to a brand new contract blindfolded with nothing to go on.

I think our best chance is obviously with HOU and BOB; otherwise many of the other teams that you mentioned may be more inclined to choose their QB of the future in the draft for a cheap, rookie deal for the next 4-5 yrs. After those choices, the 3 free agent QBs that I listed will likely get some attention as well. I'm not quite as sure that the market is as bad as you see it, but I understand and respect your position regardless. Anything is possible, and we'll find out soon enough.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I hear you, I am just thinking outside the box. I don't think it is our last chance but given Brady's age I view 2014 as our best chance to put one ring on the GOATs finger.

The thing you don't understandi s no you are NOT expanding options. Moving Amendola means his contract is acellerated into this years CAP. Period. You still don't have any additional money to sign Edelmen than you did before, you have less. You simply pissed it away into dead money, and don't have either Amendola nor Edelmen nor Mallett and even less money to do anything about it.

Moving Mallett just commits you to spending a another $ million or 2, just to get back to where you are now, It doesn't expand anything, it narrows the Pats options.

That is why BB would never do that deal.

 

[Luxusdk]

Why is it polls like this are made with a Edelman resign, i for one dont want Edelman back. Brady can make the NeXT White Fellow a 100 catch slot machine, let other teams pay for Edelman and lets take a com pick in return.

This poll is nice because it also makeing sure we getting out of Amendolas contract, only thing there would top it, was plus Arrington aswell

 

[supafly]

Why is it polls like this are made with a Edelman resign, i for one dont want Edelman back. Brady can make the NeXT White Fellow a 100 catch slot machine, let other teams pay for Edelman and lets take a com pick in return.

This poll is nice because it also makeing sure we getting out of Amendolas contract, only thing there would top it, was plus Arrington aswell

Amendola would likely be the one to take over Edelman's role (which was taken over from Amendola originally, when he was injured) if Julian walks. That may allow New England to go after another WR in free agency as well, such as Emmanuel Sanders.

Otherwise, even if Edelman stays on with a new pact, Amendola was likely going to be here for a 2 year minimum anyways for the 2013 and 2014 seasons. When this upcoming season is over about a year or so from now, the Patriots could then ask him to take a pay cut or decide to move on from him with a cap savings, and that's if they aren't satisfied with his production again.

 

[Jackson 2]

What would the Patriots do if Tom Brady was rendered unconscious by a meteorite striking his house

Show him how to cheat his way back to perfect health.