2014 Draft Needs

[Snake Eyes]

This season, the pats had the most sacks of any bb season with the pats. It isn't a huge need like some make it out to be.

Sacks are only part of the equation. The Saints defense didn't get any sacks in the NFC championship game a few years ago when they beat Favre to a pulp.

Pressuring the QB is what matters.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Sacks are only part of the equation. The Saints defense didn't get any sacks in the NFC championship game a few years ago when they beat him to a pulp.

Pressuring the QB is what matters.

Yeah It is, but usually when you get sacks, you are generating pressure

 

[Snake Eyes]

Yeah It is, but usually when you get sacks, you are generating pressure

Yes, a sack is an instance of pressure but what is the effect that it has?

If the QB gets up from that sack and can work in a relatively clean pocket without issue than it didn't accomplish all that much. You want the pressure to disrupt what the QB wants to do: push the pocket back, collapse it, hurt him, make him fearful of what's to come, get him to react to phantom defenders.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Yes, a sack is an instance of pressure but what is the effect that it has?

If the QB gets up from that sack and can work in a relatively clean pocket without issue than it didn't accomplish all that much. You want the pressure to disrupt what the QB wants to do: push the pocket back, collapse it, hurt him, make him fearful of what's to come, get him to react to phantom defenders.

I guess it is just a difference of interpretation.

 

[kennyb]

There is a huge difference between the words "cut" and "restructure". They do not in any way mean the same thing. Much like Apple and Building do not mean the same thing.


No, the Pats will not be cutting Big Vince. As you have asserted. End of story!
Yes, the Pats may in fact ask Big Vince to restructure. Again though, this is very differnet from being "cut".

Yet I have no clue?

I don't think they're going to "restructure" as in extend him and guarantee his salary. YOu don't guarantee a salary of someone who might never play again, especially when it's 8 million dollars or thereabouts.

But you disagree, we'll see.

I said a "cut" and a "reduce salary to vet min" are almost the same cap wise. And they are next year at least.

Yes, you have no clue because you state definitively what you cannot know. That makes you clueless. I didn't profess to know what they'd do, I made as assumption and stated it as such.

 

[patsinthesnow]

I think I'm fully aboard the 1st round TE bandwagon. I'm counting on BB to sign one of the many CBs in free agency, hopefully Talib. All that really leaves for glaring holes is DT and TE. I feel a TE drafted at picks 24-32 will make a bigger impact than a DT drafted at picks 24-32.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He's in the last year of his contract next year so there are no cap hits to accelerate.l. So you are wrong.

I didn't say he'd be "restructured" if by that you mean have his salary guaranteed and contract extended. I maintain that's exactly what the Pats would not do. I didn't say that is the same as a cut cap wise. Reading comprehension. I said cutting his salary to vet min and giving nltbe incentives is about the same as a cut cap wise. And it is as there's only one year left of bonus amortization to hit.

It is of course my opinion that they will not simply guarantee and extend. They might if they're convinced he's 100% but I think that's unlikely.

So to recap you put words into my mouth "cut is the same as restructure cap wise". Never said that. "Cutting accelerates the unamortized". Yes, but there's only one year left. So cut or not that hit is the same. Extending only spreads out the salary guarateed.

Unamortized is something like 3.6m and New salary is about 8m. That unamortized hit is 3.6m if he's cut extended with guarantee or reduced. There is no acceleration as it's the last year einstein.

Reading comprehension my ass. Your inability to use language is clearly the issue here, and everyone has noted that. Get back to us when you can form a coherent thought and sentence.

 

[kennyb]

Reading comprehension my ass. Your inability to use language is clearly the issue here, and everyone has noted that. Get back to us when you can form a coherent thought and sentence.

My thoughts were entirely coherent. You may not agree but I think they'll either cut Wilfork or cut his salary to vet min level plus incentives which would be NLTBE. The effect cap wise would be the same. That's what I said. Pretty simple. I never said "restructure" as in guarantee his 8M salary. Infact I said that I THOUGHT that was exactly what they would not do.

You are the idiot who said "NO NO NO, CUTTING ACCELERATES ALL UNAMORTIZED CAP HITS, COULDN'T BE MORE DIFFERENT!!!". Well Einstein, that WOULD be true except it's his last year, so there's nothing to accelerate. Learn what you're talking about before you spout off. Wilfork's contract expires NEXT YEAR. NOTHING LEFT TO ACCELERATE.

Give me some more of your diatribes about how Welker is worth 9M a year and the pats should sign him to that or someone else surely will. That was pretty funny.

 

[manxman2601]

Can we cut out the bickering. We don't do that in the draft forum.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Can we cut out the bickering. We don't do that in the draft forum.

One of the reasons I like this forum better. You can give your thoughts and opinions on strengths/weaknesses without being lynched. Even if you're wrong, like I am many times. I like the give and take here much better. Rarely even post on the main forum unless it's talking about the roster or cap. The rest is usually crazy.

 

[captain stone]

Can we cut out the bickering. We don't do that in the draft forum.

We don't? Does that mean that you & Brother Grid have made up, I hope?

 

[manxman2601]

We don't? Does that mean that you & Brother Grid have made up, I hope?

Of course. A purely temporary situation.

 

[manxman2601]

For those thinking about first to third round DTs, just bear in mind that we were in a base defense less than a third of the time this season.

When sub defense is the new 'base' defense - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

 

[ATippett56]

For those thinking about first to third round DTs, just bear in mind that we were in a base defense less than a third of the time this season.

When sub defense is the new 'base' defense - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

For those thinking about first to third round DTs, just bear in mind the New England Patriots were 30th in rush defense and 26th in first downs allowed.

2013 New England Patriots Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[ATippett56]

You forgot Pass-Rusher.

Nope.

Armstead
Buchanan
Bequette

Now if the New England Patriots sign Cordarro Law from the CFL to a future contract:

Report: Patriots Work Out CFL Defensive End Cordarro Law, Who Had 14 Sacks North of the Border | New England Patriots | NESN.com

 

[ATippett56]

For those thinking about first to third round DTs, just bear in mind that we were in a base defense less than a third of the time this season.

When sub defense is the new 'base' defense - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

You missed the boat completely with your argument. If anything, the need to draft yet another linebacker has been de-emphasized.

 

[manxman2601]

For those thinking about first to third round DTs, just bear in mind the New England Patriots were 30th in rush defense and 26th in first downs allowed.

2013 New England Patriots Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com

You missed the boat completely with your argument. If anything, the need to draft yet another linebacker has been de-emphasized.

I think having their first three DTs on the depth chart out for the season might have had something to do with that.

I think you missed the boat completely in understanding what I was saying. I said nothing about linebackers and I didn't say they shouldn't draft a DT, just pointing out that they need to get one that isn't just a run stopper.

 

[ATippett56]

I think having their first three DTs on the depth chart out for the season might have had something to do with that.

I think you missed the boat completely in understanding what I was saying. I said nothing about linebackers and I didn't say they shouldn't draft a DT, just pointing out that they need to get one that isn't just a run stopper.

You are making a big assumption that Vince Wilfork, at the age of 32, will fully recover from a torn Archilles Tendon.

 

[ATippett56]

I think having their first three DTs on the depth chart out for the season might have had something to do with that.

I think you missed the boat completely in understanding what I was saying. I said nothing about linebackers and I didn't say they shouldn't draft a DT, just pointing out that they need to get one that isn't just a run stopper.

Tell that to Bill Belichick who, at the start of the 2012 NFL Season, had Wilfork, Love, Brace on the 53 man roster.

 

[manxman2601]

Tell that to Bill Belichick who, at the start of the 2012 NFL Season, had Wilfork, Love, Brace on the 53 man roster.

And how many of them were on the 2013 roster?