Prisco - After Further Review: Only a matter of time before Pats offense clicks

[Fixit]

except i'm not an elite NFL QB


to, brady can make the throws....and has made them with a much higher rate of success than he made last thursday....last thursday he missed multiple throws that he normally makes


the receivers dropped some balls....some of which they "could" have made, some they "should" have made.....they made mistakes as well


i'll bet you if you put tom brady to the same question you asked above, he'd say the throw is easier......the skills require different abilities, to say one is "harder" is purely subjective


bottom line is, the QB missed throws they normally make, the receivers missed some balls an NFL receiver should have caught

You don't have to be an NFL anything to understand that hitting a moving target way downfield while 4-7 guys are trying to plant you is harder than catching a ball that has been delivered to your hands.

Brady missed some throws, sure (one to Edelman sticks out). But to say that throwing an accurate deep ball and catching them aren't equally as difficult isn't subjective.

 

[upstater1]

I rewatched the game a few days ago and only remember the overthrow to Edelman as a bad Brady pass. He was way off to Thompkins later but the replay showed Thompkins going up field instead of breaking off the route. That's bad communication rather than a bad pass.

Is Prisco counting Brady's throw into the ground when Edelman didn't turn into the end zone on the play Brady was mad at?

I found Brady's accuracy well downfield to be much better than usual against the Jets, not the opposite way around. The 1 bomb to Dobson and 2 to Thompkins were all right on the money. Brady went 3 for 4 on his bombs.

 

[Deus Irae]

Here's all anyone really needs to read to understand just how moronic it is to take this article (and Prisco) seriously:

Here's the throw that led to Brady screaming at Dobson. It comes on a third-and-5 from the New York 12. Dobson (red circle) lines up in the slot inside of Julian Edelman (white circle). Dobson runs a corner route, while Edelman runs a cross. The Jets are in a zone, which seems to confuse Dobson. He runs his route right into the zone defender, rather than sit down in the open area at the in the end zone, which is where Brady throws the football. You can see by the second and third pictures that Brady could have waited and hit Edelman in the middle of the field. He was wide open for what could have been a touchdown.

Dobson blows the read and it's still Brady's fault. That's Pete Prisco.

 

[BSR]

You don't know where the receiver was supposed to be on the throw, so how can you make this claim? Zolak, who's closer to to the Patriots than either you or Prisco, has made a point of saying that the receivers have been rounding off routes, running routes at the wrong depth, etc...

Except Zolak was talking about the rookies. I saw Brady miss wide open passes to Edleman this last game and I don't think he is rounding off routes or running them at the wrong depth. He had a bad game, it happens.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Prisco is kind of iffy in general when it comes to football knowledge. But even novices can break down All-22 film and point out errors. I usually tend to stay away from posting his opinions, but the breakdown of the All-22 film plus a stamp of approval from Reiss is what made me post it.

Reiss is not the best judgeof football knowledge. I much prefer yates.

 

[goheels22002]

You don't know where the receiver was supposed to be on the throw, so how can you make this claim? Zolak, who's closer to to the Patriots than either you or Prisco, has made a point of saying that the receivers have been rounding off routes, running routes at the wrong depth, etc...

I agree. We do not know what was supposed to transpire, but I must say that Prisco's piece, with the photos, was encouraging. Dobson and Thompkins can get open, so we should see a pretty steady diet of targets for these two guys.

It is not unreasonable to think these two rookies could average 5 receptions between them per game which would replace Brandon Lloyd's production in the passing game. They are almost on pace to do that already with a combined 9 catches in two games for 145 yards and one TD. It should be more - it was too bad that spectacular catch by Thompkins in the end zone against the Jets was ruled a bobble (right call, just a shame.)

I like that these kids are getting a crash course in NFL receiving. Once the Patriots get Gronk, Vereen and Amendola on the field with them and Edelman, it's a pretty potent receiving corps.

 

[Deus Irae]

Except Zolak was talking about the rookies. I saw Brady miss wide open passes to Edleman this last game and I don't think he is rounding off routes or running them at the wrong depth. He had a bad game, it happens.

Edelman did blow a couple of routes, which is why Brady reamed his ass out once, too.

 

[BSR]

I rewatched the game a few days ago and only remember the overthrow to Edelman as a bad Brady pass. He was way off to Thompkins later but the replay showed Thompkins going up field instead of breaking off the route. That's bad communication rather than a bad pass.

Is Prisco counting Brady's throw into the ground when Edelman didn't turn into the end zone on the play Brady was mad at?

I found Brady's accuracy well downfield to be much better than usual against the Jets, not the opposite way around. The 1 bomb to Dobson and 2 to Thompkins were all right on the money. Brady went 3 for 4 on his bombs.

He missed two deep bombs to Dobson. The one that you are counting as a Dobson drop I think was a poor throw by Brady. Its at 1:40 of this video: Week 2: New York Jets vs. New England Patriots highlights - NFL Videos Dobson is wide open with several steps on the defenders. Instead of giving him a catchable ball towards the sideline, he slightly overthrows it towards the coverage. The other he just totally missed him. The throw to Thompkins in the endzone would have been a highlight reel catch because he had stretch all the way out to even get his hands on it. It certainly wasn't on the money.

 

[BSR]

Edelman did blow a couple of routes, which is why Brady reamed his ass out once, too.

Just as you said, you don't know where the receiver is supposed to be and likewise we have know idea what Brady was yelling about.

 

[Deus Irae]

Just as you said, you don't know where the receiver is supposed to be and likewise we have know idea what Brady was yelling about.

You think Brady was yelling at Edelman after a passing issue because Edelman stuck Brady with the check the day before?

 

[SVN]

Here's all anyone really needs to read to understand just how moronic it is to take this article (and Prisco) seriously:



Dobson blows the read and it's still Brady's fault. That's Pete Prisco.

From What i read after the game , it was a miscommunication between brady and edelman and the throw was to go to edelman. Either way prisco is wrong.

 

[Fixit]

He missed two deep bombs to Dobson. The one that you are counting as a Dobson drop I think was a poor throw by Brady. Its at 1:40 of this video: Week 2: New York Jets vs. New England Patriots highlights - NFL Videos Dobson is wide open with several steps on the defenders. Instead of giving him a catchable ball towards the sideline, he slightly overthrows it towards the coverage.

Hold up, you're not counting that as a drop?

 

[shmessy]

If you went outside right now, which would be more difficult: throwing an accurate 30-yard ball, or catching an accurate 30-yard ball?

Depends. Is there a driving rain right now?

Vets on the Jets like Santarpio and Hill were dropping passes in the rain also. Geno Smith was not 15-35 bad. He was just OK, but his receivers were dropping quite a few.

 

[Fixit]

Depends. Is there a driving rain right now?

Vets on the Jets like Santarpio and Hill were dropping passes in the rain also. Geno Smith was not 15-35 bad. He was just OK, but his receivers were dropping quite a few.

Are you setting the conditions that the receivers are in a 3-foot radius rainstorm, but the QB is throwing in dry conditions? Because that's the only way that a driving rain wouldn't make throwing the ball even harder, too.

 

[Big-T]

Hold up, you're not counting that as a drop?

He looks scared of the ball!

He nearly brought it in like another 2 times before it fell to the ground on that play which was a shame.

 

[PatsDeb]

I wish it was written by someone more credible than prisco. I remember himfrom his 24/7 manning ballwashing in indy days and a lot of clueless football articles written. I never really understood why cbs things he is any good.

LOL, this was exactly what I was going to post, although I was going to shorten it to, "Too bad it's Prisco and therefore, I can't believe anything he says."

 

[BSR]

You think Brady was yelling at Edelman after a passing issue because Edelman stuck Brady with the check the day before?

Tom Brady Throws Tantrum, Yells As Patriots' Wide Receivers Struggle Against Jets (VIDEO)

Here is the video. I can't really tell if he is yelling at Edelman, venting about another receiver, berating himself or pissed at McDaniels. The only thing I know is that he is pissed.

 

[fumbrunner]

Hold up, you're not counting that as a drop?

Those are some Reche Caldwell eyes, lol

 

[Deus Irae]

From What i read after the game , it was a miscommunication between brady and edelman and the throw was to go to edelman. Either way prisco is wrong.

Oh, I'm not making a judgment on the play. I'm just noting Prisco's words.

The Jets are in a zone, which seems to confuse Dobson. He runs his route right into the zone defender, rather than sit down in the open area at the in the end zone, which is where Brady throws the football.

According to Prisco, Dobson is confused and runs into the defender instead of stopping, while Brady throws the ball to the open area where Dobson is supposed to stop and receive the ball. Somehow, though, Brady is wrong for not holding the ball longer so that Edelman can take a longer route.

In other words, if we look at Prisco's logic, Brady was wrong for not expecting Dobson to blow the route.

 

[BSR]

Hold up, you're not counting that as a drop?

He was WIDE OPEN. There was absolutely no reason why he should need to extend for the ball nevermind have to make a fingertip catch on the back end of the ball. Was it catchable? Sure, although it would have been a hell of a catch. Was it a good throw? Hell no.