Oh look, our next opponent is in worse disarray than we are!

[BradyFTW!]

The starting safeties were Pat Chung and Sergio Brown.

The results really shouldn't have surprised anyone. Wasn't that the game were everyone was convinced that Pat Chung had turned the corner in pass coverage because he basically shut down a hobbled Antonio Gates?

 

[mgteich]

Stats like these are an unreasonable way to measure defensive backs. For example, a shut down corner might have even have 0, 0, 0. I would hope that we would not be testing Revis much.

Based on what criteria?

Pass Defensed - 1
Forced Fumbles - 0
Interceptions - 0

 

[mgteich]

I agree with the sentiment, but not with the implication that the patriots are in "disarray". We have some players injured and our rookies aren't able to take up the slack yet. I would call our situation may things, but not "disarray".

Cleveland is in disarray.

I wouldn't even call Tampa Bay in disarray because they have a quarterback that they are unsure of, who missed a meeting. "Desparate" might be a better designation. We can only hope that our kids do better against Revis and Goldston that they did against the secondary of the jets.

Josh Freeman already under fire with Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Audibles - SI.com

I do want to thank the NFL schedulers who had the foresight to give us three offensively weak teams to start the season while the Pats work through their own early season shakiness on O.

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree with the sentiment, but not with the implication that the patriots are in "disarray". We have some players injured and our rookies aren't able to take up the slack yet. I would call our situation may things, but not "disarray".

Cleveland is in disarray.

I wouldn't even call Tampa Bay in disarray because they have a quarterback that they are unsure of, who missed a meeting. "Desparate" might be a better designation. We can only hope that our kids do better against Revis and Goldston that they did against the secondary of the jets.

Disarray means "disorder, confusion, lack of discipline "

The offense is missing its 2 best receivers and its 3rd down RB, and has a bunch of rookies who are running the wrong routes, dropping passes and struggling mightily.

That's disarray, by definition. I'm not sure why people here feel the need to insist it's not.

 

[PatsDeb]

Stats like these are an unreasonable way to measure defensive backs. For example, a shut down corner might have even have 0, 0, 0. I would hope that we would not be testing Revis much.

They are unreasonable. Look at the scores the other teams were able to put up against our D, I say. So far, they've been very good. Hopefully it will continue this weekend against another point-challenged O, and at the same time, our O will be more on track.

 

[PatsDeb]

Disarray means "disorder, confusion, lack of discipline "

The offense is missing its 2 best receivers and its 3rd down RB, and has a bunch of rookies who are running the wrong routes, dropping passes and struggling mightily.

That's disarray, by definition. I'm not sure why people here feel the need to insist it's not.

Thank you, Deus, for defending and defining my word choice. I did not say that the Pats were doomed or anything of the sort. I was merely pointing out that it appears our opponents are in worse shape than we are, despite all our problems. I still think it's true, and I still expect the Pats to win this week, but I have a feeling (or a fear) that it will be another ugly one.

 

[ATippett56]

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Film Room: Revis / Hopkins

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Disarray means "disorder, confusion, lack of discipline "

The offense is missing its 2 best receivers and its 3rd down RB, and has a bunch of rookies who are running the wrong routes, dropping passes and struggling mightily.

That's disarray, by definition. I'm not sure why people here feel the need to insist it's not.

While the poster who used "disarray" had correct intention, I believe, disarray is not correct. The common usage for disarray is to indicate disorganization. The Patriots are not lacking organization. They have A B and C become unavailable, they have immediate replacements for A B and C ready. That is organization. What the Patriots are as applicable to this discussion, arguably, is the word incompetent. The replacements they chose to have ready for A B and C are unsatisfactory. However, 2 games into a season is far too short of a sample to prove incompetency to a certainty. At this point it is limited to only a possibility.

Sorry for the exercise in semantics. Word-smithing is a hobby.....

 

[Deus Irae]

While the poster who used "disarray" had correct intention, I believe, disarray is not correct. The common usage for disarray is to indicate disorganization. The Patriots are not lacking organization. They have A B and C become unavailable, they have immediate replacements for A B and C ready. That is organization. What the Patriots are as applicable to this discussion, arguably, is the word incompetent. The replacements they chose to have ready for A B and C are unsatisfactory. However, 2 games into a season is far too short of a sample to prove incompetency to a certainty. At this point it is limited to only a possibility.

Sorry for the exercise in semantics. Word-smithing is a hobby.....

You are incorrect because you are trying to split an unsplittable hair. The very first definition of array as a noun, in multiple dictionaries (including Websters) also includes the word confusion, which has been clearly demonstrated by the offense on the field (and let's not kid, because that's what the O.P. is talking about, as she alludes to in the O.P. by talking specifically about the offensive issues). Also, having to go out and sign additional tight ends clearly demonstrated a lack of sufficient replacements, which is something you're claiming as a definitional issue.

 

[Joker]

Dis a ray...



Dis a spear gun...



Dat's all u need...happy hunting...

 

[ausbacker]

Arguing over the specifics of wording when all and sundry know the inference.

 

[supafly]

Glass half full: if the Bucs are able to stop a good offense the Pats are probably better prepared to win this game than they would've been in previous seasons, no?

Took me a second to figure out what you were saying, but yes--I like the thinking

 

[supafly]

Based on what criteria?

Pass Defensed - 1
Forced Fumbles - 0
Interceptions - 0

Based on the fact that just about everyone here has noticed from the "eye test," along with many kudos given out during the broadcasts from the announcers. Even though we can't necessarily judge our perceptions based on the broadcast crew, it's still nice to see him pointed out for good as opposed to bad.

He seems to be moving quicker and understanding the system better, at least through the first 2 games anyway. As I said, it's obviously a limited sample and I don't expect him to be able to play 1/2 this well all year, but through the first couple of games he definitely has helped the secondary.

As pointed out, he also is 2nd on the team in overall tackles, so that is obviously a plus too.

 

[RayClay]

While the poster who used "disarray" had correct intention, I believe, disarray is not correct. The common usage for disarray is to indicate disorganization. The Patriots are not lacking organization. They have A B and C become unavailable, they have immediate replacements for A B and C ready. That is organization. What the Patriots are as applicable to this discussion, arguably, is the word incompetent. The replacements they chose to have ready for A B and C are unsatisfactory. However, 2 games into a season is far too short of a sample to prove incompetency to a certainty. At this point it is limited to only a possibility.

Sorry for the exercise in semantics. Word-smithing is a hobby.....

Well done. As a long time fan, I've seen more than one Patriots team in total disarray. You aren't in disarray because you have injuries or other player losses, that's part of the game. When they happen at a position where there is already a youth movement, that is something a team in disarray would not survive to win a game, much less two.

The Patriots are missing two all pro level tight ends, a good looking rookie tight end, a RB with receiving skills that were expected to be significant and a slot receiver who's developed great chemistry and looked like a star.

That's four important to huge veterans who were expected to carry the load while they worked in the rookies and a good looking rookie TE too.

So they win with one trusted Edelperson and a bunch of growing pains. A team in disarrary would probably give more points to the other side through turnovers and stupid penalties than they scored.

The Pats are a very organized disciplined team that is wining despite horrible luck with injuries and the growing pains with new receivers.

 

[Joker]

There 's an age cutoff involved in all this...above 40's scratch their head when views like this are posted. Under 40's live for the player stat and the stats...understandable given the advent of "fantasy" NFL football.

 

[RayClay]

There 's an age cutoff involved in all this...above 40's scratch their head when views like this are posted. Under 40's live for the player stat and the stats...understandable given the advent of "fantasy" NFL football.

You mentioned two horrible losing seasons, but if you want to talk disarray, I say Clive Rush. That was like experiencing disarray during an acid flashback.:woohoo::help::scared:

 

[Joker]

RC, I lived through the Joe Kapp experience...the Plunkett blood baths...the Ben Dreith armored car robbery...we had John Hannah and Leon Gray in their prime..we get rid of Gray for peanuts...we start Eason against the Bears...krist...we TOOK Eason over Marino because of drug fears when half the Patriots were so stoned they couldn't find their way home at 3:30 am....we probably know each other or ran across each other if you live local.

 

[RayClay]

You conveniently left out that he is the second leading tackler on this team...

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[TheBostonStraggler]

Arguing over the specifics of wording when all and sundry know the inference.

Aus, trust me, I'm not arguing, at least that wasn't my intent. I'm a full time traveler and play crosswords and other word games religiously (I have lots of time to kill when I can't look at my laptop any longer or the battery gives out). I jumped at the chance to get into some light word semantics (just for the fun of it). I thought I made that clear in my post (maybe not clear enough). And while I don't see the Patriots in disarray (not as I would use the word disarray, I agree with Ray above), using it to describe the ineffectiveness of the passing offense is ultimately ok by me. I would just re-highlight that whatever word is most appropriate, it has only been 2 games. Let's give it until Thanksgiving to see what BB and company have created......

 

[Zeus]

One of the things I really love about football is the semantic nitpicking.