Will the Patriots trade Ryan Mallet ?

[supafly]

Re: Will Ryan Mallet get traded ?

Man....there is a lot of pipe dreaming going on today! Here's the reality...best u would get for Mallett would bbe a 6th or 7th...from an absolutely desperate team with very little other options. ...seriously, he has shown very little since becoming a pro...

I couldn't agree more, and have been saying this for quite some time. I am shocked at how much some posters tend to overvalue the NFL trade compensation guidelines.

1st and 2nd round picks are not traded too often, and when they are they're for elite talent. Just because we saw someone give up a 2nd for Kevin Kolb (who at least had NFL starting experience at the time on some level) does not mean that is suddenly the current standard across the board.

I think that Mallett's highest upside would be a 4th or 5th round pick--and that's IF he progresses enough to warrant even that. All of this talk about high round picks is completely ridiculous.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Re: Will Ryan Mallet get traded ?

I would trade Ryan Mallett to Cleveland for a 2nd rounder and Brian Hoyer.

I'd trade Mallett for Hoyer straight up.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Will Ryan Mallet get traded ?

Man....there is a lot of pipe dreaming going on today! Here's the reality...best u would get for Mallett would bbe a 6th or 7th...from an absolutely desperate team with very little other options. ...seriously, he has shown very little since becoming a pro...

QUOTE=Afam;3529517]Exactly. That's my thought on the matter. If a desperate team offers a first round pick for mallet do you say no. I wouldn't.

I couldn't agree more, and have been saying this for quite some time. I am shocked at how much some posters tend to overvalue the NFL trade compensation guidelines.

1st and 2nd round picks are not traded too often, and when they are they're for elite talent. Just because we saw someone give up a 2nd for Kevin Kolb (who at least had NFL starting experience at the time on some level) does not mean that is suddenly the current standard across the board.

I think that Mallett's highest upside would be a 4th or 5th round pick--and that's IF he progresses enough to warrant even that. All of this talk about high round picks is completely ridiculous.

Where this "pipe dream" stuff is coming from:

I don't think he will, because Tebow has done nothing to show he's a competent backup, but the question does bring up an interesting thought experiment:

Let's say Mallett tears it up in the 4th preseason game. If one of these teams with QB injury problems offered up a 1st rounder for him (again, this is hypothetical, I don't expect this), do the Patriots take it and take their chances on a street FA for the year? Would you, as a fan, be ok with this move?

It's a hypothetical "If a team loses its mind" question where most people would want the Patriots to make that deal before the trading partner came down off the booze/drug high, not a bunch of posters seriously overrating Mallett's value.

 

[Oswlek]

I just hope Bill isn't afraid to pull the trigger when someone offers a 1st for Brandon Bolden.

 

[supafly]

Re: Will Ryan Mallet get traded ?

Where this "pipe dream" stuff is coming from:



It's a hypothetical "If a team loses its mind" question where most people would want the Patriots to make that deal before the trading partner came down off the booze/drug high, not a bunch of posters seriously overrating Mallett's value.

While I appreciate the clarification and clear reasoning that you provided Deus, let's not act like the talk of "2nd round picks" hasn't been occurring on a regular basis for at least a couple of years now.

I understand your point that this particular poster/thread may not be suggesting that, but we've seen tons and tons of others that have. There have been a high number of posters who have suggested a 2nd rounder+ is more than "fair," which is indeed ridiculous--at least in my opinion.

Either way, it's good to know that isn't being claimed as much in this particular thread, so thank you for the clarification. If we're speaking purely in hypotheticals, I would think the obvious answer would be to take the high round pick and run like hell!

 

[supafly]

Re: Will Ryan Mallet get traded ?

I'd trade Mallett for Hoyer straight up.

I could be way off base, but the only other real option aside from Mallett if Brady were to go down for a long period of time would likely be Brian Hoyer.

He is probably the only other QB who'd be considered due to his experience in the system, but the only way that would likely ever happen would be if Mallett went out and looked absolutely horrible for several games and Belichick/CLE could agree on the proper compensation.

There have been plenty of other "journeymen" QB's who many here have suggested, but I personally doubt that anyone could just automatically step in and immediately pick up this system.

 

[Nitro]

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the system he'll run isn't going to force him do anything that he isn't good at.

So what your saying is the plan would be to snap the ball to tebow and just have him stand there play after play? Thats a recipe for winning alright.

 

[supafly]

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So what your saying is the plan would be to snap the ball to tebow and just have him stand there play after play? Thats a recipe for winning alright.

You wouldn't agree with the "Possum" package?

 

[sb1]

The "fair value" for a guy like Ryan Mallett might indeed be just a 6th round pick... but when it comes to trades that never matters. There's no neutral value chart saying Player X is worth Y if you trade him....

He's worth what another team willing to trade for him says he's worth. If that's a first rounder then that's what he's worth.

Hence Drew Bledsoe netting the Pats an unconditional 1st, well above his fair value....

 

[supafly]

He's worth what another team willing to trade for him says he's worth. If that's a first rounder then that's what he's worth.

Hence Drew Bledsoe netting the Pats an unconditional 1st, well above his fair value....

I agree with what you're saying about any team having the opportunity to give what they deem as "fair," but you lost me with the comparison to Drew Bledsoe, who had recently signed the biggest contract ever for a QB, won the Heisman trophy, was the #1 overall pick, and had proven himself a valuable starting QB for many yrs prior to the trade.

If Cassel went for a 2nd only one year after starting, then Drew Bledsoe was rightfully due a 1st.

 

[sb1]

I agree with what you're saying about any team having the opportunity to give what they deem as "fair," but you lost me with the comparison to Drew Bledsoe, who had recently signed the biggest contract ever for a QB, won the Heisman trophy, was the #1 overall pick, and had proven himself a valuable starting QB for many yrs prior to the trade.

If Cassel went for a 2nd only one year after starting, then Drew Bledsoe was rightfully due a 1st.

And Cassell is another example. No way he "should" have netted a high second. He also got way above his "fair value".

Agreed about Drew's track record but he was coming off a devastating injury, didn't play much in 2001, was 30 years old, and the new champs would have had a major QB controversy on their hands if he stuck around and no way Drew would have been happy with the backup role. He had to go and I can't believe the Bills didn't parlay all of that into getting Drew for a lower price, or even a conditional 1st as opposed to unconditional.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Will Ryan Mallet get traded ?

...There have been a high number of posters who have suggested a 2nd rounder+ is more than "fair," which is indeed ridiculous--at least in my opinion.

If you think back, you'll probably remember me posting on the down side, in terms of Mallett value. I hated the pick, and nothing in his play has made me change my opinion of him or the pick.

Either way, it's good to know that isn't being claimed as much in this particular thread, so thank you for the clarification. If we're speaking purely in hypotheticals, I would think the obvious answer would be to take the high round pick and run like hell!

Absolutely

 

[supafly]

And Cassell is another example. No way he "should" have netted a high second. He also got way above his "fair value".

Agreed about Drew's track record but he was coming off a devastating injury, didn't play much in 2001, was 30 years old, and the new champs would have had a major QB controversy on their hands if he stuck around and no way Drew would have been happy with the backup role. He had to go and I can't believe the Bills didn't parlay all of that into getting Drew for a lower price, or even a conditional 1st as opposed to unconditional.

I think that teams will overpay at the position of QB more than most others, but that particular QB needs to show that he can win as a starter in the NFL; something that both Bledsoe and Cassel did.

I tend to agree that Cassel probably didn't deserve his 2nd round status, but he also was young, had the ability to scramble and gain yds on the run, and also thrived as a starter going 11-5. At least there was sufficient game film to go on in his case. Mallett is currently a complete unknown aside from not living up to expectations at this point in time. There's nothing out there that should lead anyone to believe that Mallett is going to be a potential franchise QB who commands a 2nd round pick in compensation.

Bledsoe was a pure franchise QB who had proven to be one of the game's better quarterbacks, so I can understand that thinking a bit more--especially when a guy like Carson Palmer gets a 2nd just recently. Either way, I agree with you that they probably both got a round too high, but there's also a reasonable debate that they went where they should've too.

In the case of Ryan Mallett, it's not even anything close. If he brought in a 5th round pick right now that'd be one thing, but there have been many here who have felt that he's definitely worth a 2nd. That of course is based on absolutely nothing more than opinion as he certainly has not proven himself to be able to read and react to defenses, make the proper reads/progressions, hit the open man, show composure, win in tough situations, or any of the other things that GM's and coaches strive for when attempting to select a winning NFL QB for their teams.

Even popular guys like Nick Foles etc aren't going to demand 2nd round choices in trade compensation at the moment, and someone like Foles is light years ahead of Ryan Mallett.

 

[PlainOldEd]

I think so. I just have that feeling. Some teams qb's are going down like flies and acquiring a player like mallet will help solve their problem. Teams like the bills even with EJ Manuel in the fold and the jets.

Uh..... no.

 

[supafly]

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If you think back, you'll probably remember me posting on the down side, in terms of Mallett value. I hated the pick, and nothing in his play has made me change my opinion of him or the pick.

See, I actually liked the pick myself--so that should show you just about what my talent evaluation process consists of

I thought it was a decent time to take a shot at the position, and that the team was in position to take a chance on a flier. Unfortunately, Mallett has completely let me down to this point. I don't think he's necessarily awful and I think we could at least be competitive should something happen to Brady, but I just don't understand those who have felt that he'll be some kind of bargaining chip that leads to a high round draft pick.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Before we get a #1 for Mallett, Kate Upton will start answering my phone calls.

 

[primetime]

I think you are looking at the issue from the wrong perspective.

Basically, a "perfect storm" would need to happen. It would have to be a good team seriously in the playoff hunt, and they would need to have a very good defense. Addtionally, they'd have to get turned down when going after other perspective backups like Orton.

In short, the team would need to be in extremely desperate need and also have a fanatical desire to make the playoffs (perhaps to try save the job of the coach or GM.)

Yes maybe if there is an outbreak of the Spanish flu and half the starting quarterbacks in the league take ill and Ryan Mallett is left unscathed because he has trained his immune system through years of hard drug use, maybe then the Patriots can get a 1st round pick in exchange. Even then they'd probably have to settle for a 3rd. From all we've seen, Mallett simply isn't very good.

 

[varjao]

If Brady goes down we are completely done for the season, so I would trade him even for a top 3rd round pick

 

[Arrington Planet]

If Brady goes down we are completely done for the season, so I would trade him even for a top 3rd round pick

Who would give a top 3rd round pick for Mallett?

 

[IcyPatriot]

can one hope Belichick cuts Tebow and trades Mallet at the same time? :nono: