Player Signing Why did this team sign Tebow?

[DarrylStingley]

I am stunned that roughly a third of the posters here think Tebow should make the team. I have never seen a player other than haynesworth who was less fitted to making this squad. If Brady went down and they had to go to mallet, it would suck horribly. But mallet looks and plays like a QB. Tebow is beyond horrendous as a QB. I literally can think of no one in pats history since 1971 who has looked more inept, and that's saying something.

I hate tony Eason. Despise him. But he was light years more qualified than Tebow.

And I really like Tebow the man. I would love to see him do well. I bet he is a great teammate and example. In the wake of Aaron, that doesn't suck. But Tebow's terrible play drowns all the intangibles out in a big way.

How could they waste a roster spot on him?

 

[fnordcircle]

Tebow will never be Brady's back-up.

He's one of the right now and he's gonna be

So is Chad Jackson.

That's great and has nothing to do with the point which was chasa implying that Tebow isn't athletically gifted.

Either way this thread keeps on giving and shows just how spoiled Pats fans are. That we can't give a QB3 a full month to learn and develop is beyond silly.

 

[DarrylStingley]

He's one of the right now and he's gonna be



That's great and has nothing to do with the point which was chasa implying that Tebow isn't athletically gifted.

Either way this thread keeps on giving and shows just how spoiled Pats fans are. That we can't give a QB3 a full month to learn and develop is beyond silly.

This has nothing to do with being spoiled. Tebow is bad at throwing the football. Thinking he is going to suddenly figure that out after his entire career in high school, college and the pros is naive.

In 2004 we had Rohan Daley and Jim miller behind Tom. Neither was a world beater but both were competent and could throw a pass. Tebow is light years behind them both.

In short, I don't need the pats to have all pros behind Tom. I need guys who can play the position.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He's one of the right now and he's gonna be



That's great and has nothing to do with the point which was chasa implying that Tebow isn't athletically gifted.

Either way this thread keeps on giving and shows just how spoiled Pats fans are. That we can't give a QB3 a full month to learn and develop is beyond silly.

He puts the ball on the ground once in every ten carries and he can't pass, his "athletic ability" is irrelevant because he is not an NFL caliber player, and he has 3 plus years, he's not a rookie. He is a complete waste of team time and resources.

 

[fnordcircle]

his "athletic ability" is irrelevant because he is not an NFL caliber player

Lots of 'Not an NFL caliber player(s)' play in the playoffs. --->insert eye rolling smiley here<---

If only our coach was as good at evaluating prospective talent as you are.

That's the dumb part of all of this - it's not that people are arguing degrees like Tavon Wilson was picked X rounds too high, they're saying that our coaches have taken complete leave of their senses and have brought in a guy who cannot function in the NFL.

Which is asinine. Maybe Tebow will not pan out but to speak in such absolutes implies that our coaches are complete and utter morons which, again, belies the entitlement complex around here that a guy working on learning the offense and improving accuracy is so bad Mr. Magoo would be preferable.

 

[Huckleberry1]

our coaches have taken complete leave of their senses and have brought in a guy who cannot function in the NFL.

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That's exactly what they have done, it was obvious before they did it and much more obvious now. He sucks, period.

 

[Brady6]

Re: Re: Why did this team sign Tebow?

I don't believe the thinking is to slightly increase savings from Mallet to Tebow. I believe the theory is that Mallet will be gone, and Tebow is his backfill.

Honestly I think you are really making more out of the Tebow signing than it is. By the time Tebow was signed by us it was clear he had no other options with other teams in the NFL, if Belichick actually thought so highly of Tebow and had this big eloberate plan to rebuild Tebow's career he'd of signed him right away he wouldn't of waited till he was all out of options.

Belichick went out and picked up the best player that he could get without giving guaranteed money to fill a purpose during training camp, that purpose was having a running QB in camp that could run a pistol offense so that the defense could properly prepare for games against those types of offenses.

In the process he also was able to take a look at an intriguing athlete and see if maybe he could find a place for him long term, based on the fact Tebow hasn't played anyplace but third string QB he upon closer look he doesn't have the ability to fit elsewhere so when camp is over and we no longer have room on the roster for a practice player Tebow will be cut.

This move has never been about us developing Tebow into are future backup, if we were every truly interested in having a 3rd string QB we would of kept Kafka who is currently competing for the starting job in Jacksonville and is a much better NFL QB than Tebow.

There is no gimmick offense either because if we were interested in that type of thing we could of done it for the last 4 years with Julien Edelman, who is a better runner then Tebow and probably just as good of a passer.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

....a guy working on learning the offense and improving accuracy....

Lots of guys playing QB have to work on learning new offenses, every year

None of them have ever played worse than a 0.0 passer rating. I don't think it has even been tied.

It's an NFL record for futility.

It's a record for football, played on any level.

It's a new low, in fact, for all of Planet Earth.

 

[Joker]

uh...I'm sensing a little repressed anger suddenly erupting here at Patsfans...not sure but it sure doesn't look good for a certain player currently on the roster...

 

[ATippett56]

Lots of guys playing QB have to work on learning new offenses, every year

None of them have ever played worse than a 0.0 passer rating. I don't think it has even been tied.

It's an NFL record for futility.

It's a record for football, played on any level.

It's a new low, in fact, for all of Planet Earth.

Against second and third stringers from the Tampa Bay defense, no less.

 

[ATippett56]

uh...I'm sensing a little repressed anger suddenly erupting here at Patsfans...not sure but it sure doesn't look good for a certain player currently on the roster...

The pitchfork and torch crowd are ready to descend upon Foxboro, MA.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Lots of 'Not an NFL caliber player(s)' play in the playoffs. --->insert eye rolling smiley here<---

If only our coach was as good at evaluating prospective talent as you are.

That's the dumb part of all of this - it's not that people are arguing degrees like Tavon Wilson was picked X rounds too high, they're saying that our coaches have taken complete leave of their senses and have brought in a guy who cannot function in the NFL.

Which is asinine. Maybe Tebow will not pan out but to speak in such absolutes implies that our coaches are complete and utter morons which, again, belies the entitlement complex around here that a guy working on learning the offense and improving accuracy is so bad Mr. Magoo would be preferable.

Can't make an argument defending Tebow so you go to the strawman, a sign of true desperation.

The "absolutes" come from Tebow absolutely sucking. You cannot play worse than he is playing, and that is obvious, that you apparently believe they should keep him even though he is terrible really speaks to a cult like belief in him, and an inability to see things critically and analyze them in that light. You love Timmy, we get it, we also get that there is nothing in his performance that supports keeping him, which is why you have no argument.

 

[Oinko]

Honestly I think you are really making more out of the Tebow signing than it is.

I was clairifying an earlier exchange about the relative salaries of Tebow and Mallet -- one in which someone pointed out that Tebow only made a bit less than Mallet. I pointed out that the cheap salary discussion wasn't for purposes of having them both. It was for the "keep one quarterback" scenario. The team can always kick the tires on a potential bargain. Doesn't mean Mallet is not also a bargain.

 

[fnordcircle]

Can't make an argument defending Tebow so you go to the strawman, a sign of true desperation.

FYI, saying ''strawman" does not actually mean anything unless you back it up.

The "absolutes" come from Tebow absolutely sucking. You cannot play worse than he is playing, and that is obvious

If he was absolutely sucking - as in not developing the way the team wants him to develop in the timeframe they've got for the guy - he'd be gone. Why you think this is a strawman is beyond me...

that you apparently believe they should keep him even though he is terrible really speaks to a cult like belief in him

"Will" is not the same as "Should", fyi. They will keep him on the 53 man roster, I'm convinced. They didn't pick him up expecting something overnight, I think they're gonna give the guy a solid season to pick it up and if he's not ready to backup Brady by the time Mallett is either traded or leaves in FA then he'll be gone.

You love Timmy, we get it

I love players on the New England Patriots who don't kill people or try to cleat someone's eyes.

we also get that there is nothing in his performance that supports keeping him, which is why you have no argument.

The reason you think I have no argument is because you assume everything I'm saying is really "He has looked good."

He hasn't. He's looked awful. They've had enough tape and first-hand experience with the guy to know what they are getting and to say that they're going to cut him loose this early is to misunderstand the way Belichick works completely.

 

[pats4life12]

Tebow should be cut.he was a risk at the beginning and it just did not work out. We half to make new plays just for him. Most of the plays don't even Work. I think they should cut him and move on.

 

[Oinko]

Can't make an argument defending Tebow so you go to the strawman, a sign of true desperation.

I can't speak for others, but I have no desire to "make an argument." It's been done 1,000 times before, in every variation. So if you're up for an internet debate about whether Tebow is good or not, you'll find a lot of people not interested.

It's kind of a catch-22 -- if somebody says something remotely defending Tebow, 10 posters show up and say "the problem is all these psychos that want to post good things about Tebow, they won't let it drop." But if everybody just lets it go (he sucked, he's going to be cut if that's the best he can do), 10 posters show up to say "I want to hear Tebow fans explain that" or "you can't make an argument that says ______." So apparently up for another 1,000 rounds of it.

Everybody I saw in this thread that is or was even mildly supportive of Tebow said "he sucked," and "that won't get it." Yet the thread goes on with 10x the posts from people angrily posting against keeping him, and angrily lamenting this long thread about Tebow.

It's clear -- he's at best a project, and they may or may not keep him. Why the appetite for people to make more "arguments" beyond that.

 

[Christiancat]

I can't speak for others, but I have no desire to "make an argument." It's been done 1,000 times before, in every variation. So if you're up for an internet debate about whether Tebow is good or not, you'll find a lot of people not interested.

It's kind of a catch-22 -- if somebody says something remotely defending Tebow, 10 posters show up and say "the problem is all these psychos that want to post good things about Tebow, they won't let it drop." But if everybody just lets it go (he sucked, he's going to be cut if that's the best he can do), 10 posters show up to say "I want to hear Tebow fans explain that" or "you can't make an argument that says ______." So apparently up for another 1,000 rounds of it.

Everybody I saw in this thread that is or was even mildly supportive of Tebow said "he sucked," and "that won't get it." Yet the thread goes on with 10x the posts from people angrily posting against keeping him, and angrily lamenting this long thread about Tebow.

It's clear -- he's at best a project, and they may or may not keep him. Why the appetite for people to make more "arguments" beyond that.

Exactly Oniko. Even me, a big Tebow fan will tell you that Tebow did AWFUL this past Friday, possibly the worst he's ever performed in his career. However, that doesn't make it an end all be all. I still find him to be very talented with lots of potential. Thus, I hope he makes the final roster and can develop into a solid backup for Brady.

 

[Huckleberry1]

FYI, saying ''strawman" does not actually mean anything unless you back it up.



If he was absolutely sucking - as in not developing the way the team wants him to develop in the timeframe they've got for the guy - he'd be gone. Why you think this is a strawman is beyond me...




"Will" is not the same as "Should", fyi. They will keep him on the 53 man roster, I'm convinced. They didn't pick him up expecting something overnight, I think they're gonna give the guy a solid season to pick it up and if he's not ready to backup Brady by the time Mallett is either traded or leaves in FA then he'll be gone.




I love players on the New England Patriots who don't kill people or try to cleat someone's eyes.



The reason you think I have no argument is because you assume everything I'm saying is really "He has looked good."

He hasn't. He's looked awful. They've had enough tape and first-hand experience with the guy to know what they are getting and to say that they're going to cut him loose this early is to misunderstand the way Belichick works completely.

The strawman is your contention that those of us who think this is a stupid move think Belichick is an idiot, which simply isn't the case, and you go that route because you cannot construct an argument for keeping Tebow based upon his performance in NE. He has been horrible in practice and worse in games, he sucks, period. And it is in no way "early" for cutting him if anything it is well past due, he can't play and can't help them, he has no business on this team and i really can't wait until this is done for good, which won't be long.



If Belichick keeps Tebow he has wasted a roster spot, which would really be unusual for him, although he did for Troy Brown at Kraft's request, which may well be what is going on here as well, Kraft wants Tebow around for PR and has asked Belichick to oblige, unusual but not without precedent. Either way i don't expect it to last long, but if it does then it really tells us that belichick thinks his 53-90 absolutely sucks ass, otherwise he is cutting more deserving players to keep a player who cannot play.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Neal was a football player in HS but choose wrestling, balance and leverage from wrestling translate well to blocking, he was an extreme long shot that worked. Vrabel was a TE in HS with prototypical size to play the position, Brown was a slot receiver asked to cover the slot receiver. There are reasons these players succeeded at other positions.

Can you name what other position(s) Tebow has experience at, what positions his skill set can translate to, what position does he have prototypical size for? And oh yeah, what position would he be an upgrade to compared to the players already there? If you give an empty answer like RB, explain how he would be better than Ridley, Vereen, Blount or Bolden, if TE, why would you rather have him on the field than Ballard, Sudfeld, Gronk or Fells.

Most importantly can you name what other positions he has actually played with the Patriots other than QB? Even in practice? Yet you still want to stick to this imagined scenario where they keep him on the roster so he can be as bad at every other position as he was the other night at QB.

Let's put our 9th string TE in, sure he's never played the position, and really hasn't shown any ability to be able to, plus he doesn't have the size but other than that - perfect fit! Fill in RB, FB, HB (and QB for that matter) and every other imagined position he plays.

Apparently fans have finally lost faith in Bil Belichick.

If Tebow were not worthy of being on the roster right now, he would not be on the roster right now.

Belichick sees something you do not. And I'm still siding with Belichick on this issue.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I can't speak for others, but I have no desire to "make an argument." It's been done 1,000 times before, in every variation. So if you're up for an internet debate about whether Tebow is good or not, you'll find a lot of people not interested.

It's kind of a catch-22 -- if somebody says something remotely defending Tebow, 10 posters show up and say "the problem is all these psychos that want to post good things about Tebow, they won't let it drop." But if everybody just lets it go (he sucked, he's going to be cut if that's the best he can do), 10 posters show up to say "I want to hear Tebow fans explain that" or "you can't make an argument that says ______." So apparently up for another 1,000 rounds of it.

Everybody I saw in this thread that is or was even mildly supportive of Tebow said "he sucked," and "that won't get it." Yet the thread goes on with 10x the posts from people angrily posting against keeping him, and angrily lamenting this long thread about Tebow.

It's clear -- he's at best a project, and they may or may not keep him. Why the appetite for people to make more "arguments" beyond that.

There is no argument, he sucks, period, what I am responding to are those who are trying to claim that taking that stance means we think Belichick is a moron, which we obviously don't, we just think he 100% wrong to have Tebow here any longer.