* Ye Olde 2013 Mock Draft Thread!! *

[ATippett56]

ATippett56 NFL Week 10 Mock Draft Special

Straight Up - No Trade Downs

Best Case Scenario

1st Round - Sheldon Richardson, DT - Missouri
2nd Round - Tony Jefferson, FS - Oklahoma
3rd Round - Stedman Bailey, WR - West Virginia
7th Round - Nigel Malone, CB - Kansas State
7th Round - Rontez Miles, SS - California (PA)

Backup Plan

1st Round - Kawann Short, DT - Purdue
2nd Round - Kenny Vaccaro, FS - Texas
3rd Round - Stedman Bailey, WR - West Virginia
7th Round - Darius Slay, CB - Mississippi State
7th Round - Rontez Miles, SS - California (PA)

Comments

First Round

Interior Pass Rush! Interior Pass Rush! Interior Pass Rush!

Second Round

I'm thru with Steven "discount Dollar General" Gregory.

Third Round

I'm thru with Deion Branch and Julian Edelman as wide receivers. :nooo:

 

[manxman2601]

ATippett56 NFL Week 10 Mock Draft Special

Straight Up - No Trade Downs

Best Case Scenario

1st Round - Sheldon Richardson, DT - Missouri
2nd Round - Tony Jefferson, FS - Oklahoma
3rd Round - Stedman Bailey, WR - West Virginia
7th Round - Nigel Malone, CB - Kansas State
7th Round - Rontez Miles, SS - California (PA)

Backup Plan

1st Round - Kawann Short, DT - Purdue
2nd Round - Kenny Vaccaro, FS - Texas
3rd Round - Stedman Bailey, WR - West Virginia
7th Round - Darius Slay, CB - Mississippi State
7th Round - Rontez Miles, SS - California (PA)

Comments

First Round

Interior Pass Rush! Interior Pass Rush! Interior Pass Rush!

Second Round

I'm thru with Steven "discount Dollar General" Gregory.

Third Round

I'm thru with Deion Branch and Julian Edelman as wide receivers. :nooo:

I love that first one.

 

[Avenger]

1 traded for 2nd and 4th
2 Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
2 Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State
3 Jelani Jenkins, OLB, Florida
4 Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State
7 Zach Boren, FB/LB, Ohio State
7 Bradley McDougald,S, Kansas

 

[ATippett56]

ATippett56 NFL Week 12 Mock Draft Special

Straight Up - No Trade Downs

Note: Subject to change in future weeks

1st Round - Jesse Williams, DT - Alabama
2nd Round - Cornellius Carradine, DE - Florida State
3rd Round - Stedman Bailey, WR - West Virginia
7th Round - Darius Slay, CB - Mississippi State
7th Round - Corey Broomfield, CB - Mississippi State

Comments

Substitute Louis Nix, DT - Notre Dame for Jesse Williams, DT - Alabama if Louis Nix declares early for the 2013 NFL Draft.

Corey Broomfield, CB - Mississippi State would be the sleeper pick for the nickel cornerback position.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

Three mocks today and everybody drafts Carradine :rocker:

 

[ATippett56]

Three mocks today and everybody drafts Carradine :rocker:

With a torn ACL, "Tank" Carradine NOW provides value at the end of the second round if not the end of the third round (exception Ryan Broyles second round selection in the 2012 NFL Draft).

 

[Avenger]

Three mocks today and everybody drafts Carradine :rocker:

He's the board's official DE binky

 

[kennyb]

1 Xavier Rhodes CB FSU

2. Aaron Dobson WR Marshall

3. Brian Winters OL Kent State

4. DJ Swearinger S SCarolina

 

[jsull87]

Using NFL Draft - 2013 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com for general rankings and also including FA.

FA Bringing money forward from this year we should have between $30-35 million to play with. $5 million allocated for our rookies. Leaves us with $25-30 left over.

Resign: Edelman , Talib , Welker (franchise or 3 year deal), Vollmer (priority)

Sign: (options)
DE Freeny: I would honestly like them to take a run at Freeny to teach Jones everything he knows about pass rush. Not sure it will go down like that but this d would automatically be a beast with one acquisition. (unrealistic due to salary but i can dream as his impact would be outstanding)

S: Nate Clemens: This could give us 2 safteys with range and a vet back there. (unrealistic as i think McCourty is the answer at FS)

WR: Amendola: St Louis would be stupid to let him go but if they did he is a ready made Welker replacement if Welker goes in FA. (actually could be realistic if Welker is let go)

WR: D Bowe: Hear me out, this market is saturated with WR's and i honestly believe he would be an ideal WR for this team outside if Welker goes. This would draw deep and outside coverage and let Edelman, Hernandez, Gronk and the RB's wreak havoc. (Unrealistic due to past and price but i still think he would help)

DT: Henry Melton: Young enough at 26 and entering his prime. Melton would provide an interior pass rush presence that could really help this team on 3rd downs. He is also probably more realistic price and need wise. (realistic as Fenene proved this is the type of player pats have been looking at in FA)

DE/OLB: Connor Barwin: The prodigal son could return home to Patsfans and in doing so could give a legitimate every down threat alongside Jones. (realistic... price pending)

Draft Priorities: DE/DT (to make an impact in the Passing Game. WR and OG/c or OG/OT depending on Cannon.

Total i would say we: Keep Welker, Vollmer, Edelman, Talib and sign Melton in FA. Addressing needs at WR, CB and dt/de in FA leaving us sitting pretty well come draft time. Only other thing to add would be a solid DE like Barwin but i will leave it at Melton.

1.) Barrett Jones - I am a big believer of building through the lines and you can see by what happened to Rogers against NYG that the blueprint is out there for beating Rogers,Manning and Brady if their lines can't block your rushers... you can't pass the ball. Jones would upgrade the line at OG and C by moving Connoly there.
2.) Cordarrelle Patterson WR - I do think after a while you do need to re-invest in the position. Patterson slipping to us here i think would be a good pick and would also give him time to learn before needing to step up.
3.) Bennett Jackson: With McCourty moving to FS and Arrington probably gone i will pick Jackson here to try vie for time as the slot corner
7.) Trade for a 6th in 2014
7.) Best damn long snapper in the country / TE who used to be a Tackle

 

[manxman2601]

Just trying a different route. I'm abandoning my preferences and thinking about prospects from the perspective that they are ones that, for one reason or another, BB would likely draft.


Round One 1


Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia




Why BB might draft him

1. Is versatile. Not only is he a slot receiver, he returns punts and kicks and is now seeing time at RB. Edelman, Welker and Woodhead are all FA's. Austin has the skillset to replace a lot of the snaps for all three.

2. His suddenness and speed is a great BB fit. BB likes his athletes and Austin certainly qualifies. His ability to stop on a dime and get back up to full speed should see him excel at the COD drills at the combine - a particular BB favourite.

3. As NEpartriotsdraft points out, Austin's route tree is not all that different to Welker's. It's still 50-50 whether Welker will be resigned and Austin probably has the best chance of succeeding in that role.

Tavon Austin: Potential Wes Welker Replacement for the Patriots? | NEPatriotsDraft.com - 2013 NFL Draft

Note: I'm really warming up to this as a first round pick. He's an outstanding playmaker and is a really nice fit. Not afraid to block either as he showed in the Oklahoma game.


Round Two


Trade Back into middle round three picking up a middle fourth rounder


Why BB Might Do this

1. Duh!!


Round 3A

Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers



Why BB Might Draft Him


1. Rutgers. He's still a Schiano guy and BB still likes his Rutgers prospects.

2. BB likes to take defensive backs fairly high. Even if we sign Talib long-term, Dowling really can't be relied upon too much. With McCourty excelling at safety, Ryan will push Dennard for the other starting position.


Round 3B

Jordan Hill, DT, Penn State



Why BB Might Draft Him

1. Penn State. How far would a Bill O'Brien recommendation go? Would there be one?

2. Plus intangibles. Excellent motor, very good range, quick off the snap. He lacks the ideal size to be an every down player but he will make plays. Was PSU's leading tackler last year and is right up there again this year.

Shame it's not the ideal #47. But if you squint, does look a little like Ansah.


Round 4

Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State



Why BB Might Draft Him

1. We double dip almost every draft now. As things stand, the WR position is very uncertain and so WR is a logical position to predict a double dip for.

2. There has been some unverifiable suggestion that the Pats have shown interest in Wheaton.

3. Plus plus intangibles and plus speed puts him firmly in the BB mould. Ideal Branch replacement.


Round 7A

Zach Boren, FB/LB, Ohio State



Why BB Might Draft Him

I think Brother Merrill is right on this. If you were going to put money on one pick by BB, this might well be it. Consider.

1. It's a pretty good bet we'll take someone from Meyer's Ohio State. Particularly when they've just gone unbeaten.

2. I'm not going to look up the correct spelling but you all know who I mean. He's our only FB and is out of contract. Drafting a FB makes a lot of sense.

3. Particularly one who's shown the ability to play both sides of the ball.


Round 7B

Kapron Lewis-Moore, DE/DT, Notre Dame



The poor relation on that Notre Dame D/Line but..

Why BB Might Draft Him

1. Big school senior on a successful program

2. Has really good length and ideal size for the 5-tech position and gives the option to switch back to a 3-4 at some stage in the next few years if required.

3. Because in the late 7th round he represents excellent value. He's better than that.

Couldn't find ideal O/Line help. That will have to come in 2014 and I deliberately avoided Carradine to be a little different. Not a perfect mock for me, but not too bad actually. Could live with it easily.

 

[ATippett56]

FA Bringing money forward from this year we should have between $30-35 million to play with. $5 million allocated for our rookies. Leaves us with $25-30 left over.

I have no idea where the New England Patriots have $30-$35 million to play with.

New England Patriots Salary Cap 2013

With the salary cap projected to be around $121.1 million for the 2013 NFL Season, the New England Patriots will have approximately $18.335 million for 2013 unrestricted free agents, 2013 restricted free agents, 2013 NFL draft picks, 2013 NFL undrafted free agents.

Any salary cap dollars rolled over from the 2012 NFL Season will need to be allocated for injured reserve, physically unable to perform, practice squad.

New England Patriots Salary Cap 2012

2012 New England Patriots Injured Reserve - $6.2 million

2012 New England Patriots Reserve/PUP - $1.1 million

2012 New England Patriots Practice Squad - $0.6 million

 

[stelfans]

Just trying a different route. I'm abandoning my preferences and thinking about prospects from the perspective that they are ones that, for one reason or another, BB would likely draft.

Nice one manx.
I could definitely live with Austin and Wheaton. Along with Cordarelle Patterson my favourites WR's.

 

[RodThePat]

Bill has drafted 2 TEs one year, then drafted 2 RBs the next. I know trying to establish trends with Belichick is a futile exercise, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him take more than one wideout reasonably high on next year's draft, to pretty much complete the youth movement on offense. I have a feeling Belichick has figured out at this point that Brady will produce with no matter who he's throwing the ball to, and now he's replenishing that side of the ball so when the time comes to make a transition to another quarterback, Tom's successor will come into an established system, full of players still on their primes, which would be of tremendous help for a young guy coming in to be the face of the franchise.

 

[manxman2601]

Bill has drafted 2 TEs one year, then drafted 2 RBs the next. I know trying to establish trends with Belichick is a futile exercise, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him take more than one wideout reasonably high on next year's draft, to pretty much complete the youth movement on offense. I have a feeling Belichick has figured out at this point that Brady will produce with no matter who he's throwing the ball to, and now he's replenishing that side of the ball so when the time comes to make a transition to another quarterback, Tom's successor will come into an established system, full of players still on their primes, which would be of tremendous help for a young guy coming in to be the face of the franchise.

Good point. This is how I see it too and why I lean towards an offensive draft.

 

[ATippett56]

Bill has drafted 2 TEs one year, then drafted 2 RBs the next. I know trying to establish trends with Belichick is a futile exercise, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him take more than one wideout reasonably high on next year's draft, to pretty much complete the youth movement on offense.

One could make a reasonable assumption of the team's offensive draft needs based upon the New England Patriots offensive players under contract for the 2013 NFL Season:

QB - Brady, Mallett
RB - Ridley, Vereen, Bolden, Demps, Larsen
TE - Gronkowski, Hernandez, Fells, Ballard
WR - Lloyd, Slater
OT - Solder, Cannon, Zusevics
OG - Mankins, Connolly, Petrus
OC - Wendell, McDonald

Official Website of the New England Patriots | Team - Players

The following New England Patriots offensive players will be unrestricted free agents in calendar year 2013:

Woodhead
Shiancoe
Welker
Edelman
Branch
Vollmer
Thomas

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

I don't think the whole "double dipping" thing is an actual thing. It's just odds and a small sample size. There are only so many positions on the field and so many needs. He's bound to draft two of the same positions often, if not all the time. It's not a pre-determined strategy though. That would be way to silly for Bill.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I don't think the whole "double dipping" thing is an actual thing. It's just odds and a small sample size. There are only so many positions on the field and so many needs. He's bound to draft two of the same positions often, if not all the time. It's not a pre-determined strategy though. That would be way to silly for Bill.

I do think the double dipping is an actual thing. But what BB does is collect diffeent talent sets for the same position. For example Hernandez the motion TE and Gronkowski the end of the line TE. Vereen the smaller fast outside scatback and Ridley the bigger slower sturdier between the tackles back.

If BB does take 2 WR's in the next draft, I think he looks at a taller possession receiver and a super fast but shorter stretch the field WR. Both must be able to work well outside the numbers and on crossing routes because the TE's own the seam routes with the Pats.

However I fully expect BB to take 2 versatile O linemen, one very early. With Vollmer breaking down weekly, the Pats MUST get a stud OT replacement. Obviously Joekiel is off the board top ten and Mathews by mid 20's. But this draft is going to have some talented OT types fall to the 3rd round.

 

[Merril Hoge's Tie Knot]

I do think the double dipping is an actual thing. But what BB does is collect diffeent talent sets for the same position. For example Hernandez the motion TE and Gronkowski the end of the line TE. Vereen the smaller fast outside scatback and Ridley the bigger slower sturdier between the tackles back.

If BB does take 2 WR's in the next draft, I think he looks at a taller possession receiver and a super fast but shorter stretch the field WR. Both must be able to work well outside the numbers and on crossing routes because the TE's own the seam routes with the Pats.

But it's not predetermined decision. Belichick and Caserio don't sit down and talk about what position they are going to "double dip."

You sort of say that they don't double dip because they get different skill sets for the same position. But Hernandez is in no way a tight end. A motion TE isn't a real thing either. Hernandez is a H-back and slot receiver. He gets almost no snaps at the Y (tight end). If you want to call it a motion TE instead of an H-back, that's you're choice, but it's not a "double dip."

The closest thing to a real "double dip" was this year with the DEs. But it's just a coincidence. They are just filling needs.

 

[ATippett56]

If BB does take 2 WR's in the next draft, I think he looks at a taller possession receiver and a super fast but shorter stretch the field WR. Both must be able to work well outside the numbers and on crossing routes because the TE's own the seam routes with the Pats.

If the New England Patriots re-sign Wes Welker and Julian Edelman, the need to draft two wide receivers has been significantly reduced.

However I fully expect BB to take 2 versatile O linemen, one very early. With Vollmer breaking down weekly, the Pats MUST get a stud OT replacement. Obviously Joekiel is off the board top ten and Mathews by mid 20's. But this draft is going to have some talented OT types fall to the 3rd round.

If the New England Patriots do not re-sign Sebastian Vollmer, the need for a swing offensive tackle has been greatly increased.

 

[manxman2601]

I do think the double dipping is an actual thing. But what BB does is collect diffeent talent sets for the same position. For example Hernandez the motion TE and Gronkowski the end of the line TE. Vereen the smaller fast outside scatback and Ridley the bigger slower sturdier between the tackles back.

If BB does take 2 WR's in the next draft, I think he looks at a taller possession receiver and a super fast but shorter stretch the field WR. Both must be able to work well outside the numbers and on crossing routes because the TE's own the seam routes with the Pats.

However I fully expect BB to take 2 versatile O linemen, one very early. With Vollmer breaking down weekly, the Pats MUST get a stud OT replacement. Obviously Joekiel is off the board top ten and Mathews by mid 20's. But this draft is going to have some talented OT types fall to the 3rd round.

But it's not predetermined decision. Belichick and Caserio don't sit down and talk about what position they are going to "double dip."

You sort of say that they don't double dip because they get different skill sets for the same position. But Hernandez is in no way a tight end. A motion TE isn't a real thing either. Hernandez is a H-back and slot receiver. He gets almost no snaps at the Y (tight end). If you want to call it a motion TE instead of an H-back, that's you're choice, but it's not a "double dip."

The closest thing to a real "double dip" was this year with the DEs. But it's just a coincidence. They are just filling needs.

I think you are both right. I think it's too strong to say that it's a pre-determined strategy and Merrill is right that the limited number of positions almost makes double dipping obligatory, but I also think the Pats use double-dipping to "fix" a position that they've not attended to for a while. I think Ridley/Vereen happened that way and that's why I project a "double-dip" at WR this time.