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* Ye Olde 2013 Mock Draft Thread!! *

@Wilfork

Very nice mock and would be delighted with it - don't like the Henderson pick though I'm afraid. Two things:


Yep, another Alabama player (and I would take them all if I could).


Couldn't agree more. Half the battles won with the coaching they get - they're all almost NFL ready before they even see a snap in the NFL.

and with some coaching from Dante

I've been thinking about this. Is there any basis for this myth about his coaching. The only decent OL's we have are high first rounders and the rest aren't anything special. Our OL has been about Light, Mankins and Vollmer in recent years, two first rounders and a second. We added a regular all-pro last year - If we don't have a good OL with that lot, there's no point in even turning up. On the other hand, of the rest of our OL (not including Solder), who would we miss? No-one which makes me question what it is exactly that is so special about Dante? Blasphemy I know and I'd be happy for someone to enlighten me.
 
@Wilfork

I've been thinking about this. Is there any basis for this myth about his coaching. The only decent OL's we have are high first rounders and the rest aren't anything special. Our OL has been about Light, Mankins and Vollmer in recent years, two first rounders and a second. We added a regular all-pro last year - If we don't have a good OL with that lot, there's no point in even turning up. On the other hand, of the rest of our OL (not including Solder), who would we miss? No-one which makes me question what it is exactly that is so special about Dante? Blasphemy I know and I'd be happy for someone to enlighten me.

Bull**** and blashphemy. We haven't had a high first round pick on an OL. Mankins was 32 and Vollmer was late 2nd. Solder was very raw coming in last year. So, was Vollmer. If you think it's an automatic that every 1st or 2nd round pick develops. I refer you to profootball reference.com. I don't have time to list all of the failures. Yet, none of ours have been. How did that happen Einstein? Connolly, Neal, Koppen, Ashworth, Greg Robinson-Randall, Joe Andruzzi. Any of those names ring a bell? How many picks in the top 4 rounds there? How do you think we score 500+ points? Tom Brady plays without getting touched most games. On one of the sacks Wendell turned the wrong way, and Gronkowski allowed the other. I'll check the film on the others.
 
Bull**** and blashphemy. We haven't had a high first round pick on an OL. Mankins was 32 and Vollmer was late 2nd. Solder was very raw coming in last year. So, was Vollmer. If you think it's an automatic that every 1st or 2nd round pick develops. I refer you to profootball reference.com. I don't have time to list all of the failures. Yet, none of ours have been. How did that happen Einstein? Connolly, Neal, Koppen, Ashworth, Greg Robinson-Randall, Joe Andruzzi. Any of those names ring a bell? How many picks in the top 4 rounds there? How do you think we score 500+ points? Tom Brady plays without getting touched most games. On one of the sacks Wendell turned the wrong way, and Gronkowski allowed the other. I'll check the film on the others.

I'll give you Neal, he was a good player, but Koppen? Most on this board were desperate for him to leave.As for the others, c'mon. I'm not saying he isn't a good coach, just that I'm not sure there's much empirical evidence for it lately and that he's been idolized far beyond his worth, most NFL teams have linemen as functional as a Wendell or a Robinson-Randall.

And finaly (Einstein!), if he's that good, why are most people wanting us to draft linemen high in this draft? Why not hire some scrubs and have Dante coach them up? Add in a couple of high rounders this draft and we'll probably have the highest drafted OL in the league which would make Nick Caserio more responsible for ant success from our OL than Dante.
 
I'll give you Neal, he was a good player, but Koppen? Most on this board were desperate for him to leave.As for the others, c'mon. I'm not saying he isn't a good coach, just that I'm not sure there's much empirical evidence for it lately and that he's been idolized far beyond his worth, most NFL teams have linemen as functional as a Wendell or a Robinson-Randall.

And finaly (Einstein!), if he's that good, why are most people wanting us to draft linemen high in this draft? Why not hire some scrubs and have Dante coach them up? Add in a couple of high rounders this draft and we'll probably have the highest drafted OL in the league which would make Nick Caserio more responsible for ant success from our OL than Dante.


1. How the hell do you think we got 500+ points each of the last two seasons? I'm waiting for your answer. The Patriots are routinely at the bottom of the lead in sacks allowed. Brady deserves most of the credit for that. But, he also has had more than enough time to get rid of the ball in most games.

2. Koppen had an outstanding career for a 5th round pick. His replacement Dan Connolly was a UDFA. He has played pretty good. He was hurt yesterday and didn't play. It showed.

3. I won't even give Caserio credit for drafting them. Belichick had Dante go work those guys out and relied on his input. It's been well documented on Solder and Vollmer. You're wrong about giving Caserio more credit. Period.

4. If we re-up Vollmer I don't want to use a 1st or 2nd rounder on an interior OL. I'd rather have a wr. I value the tackles much more. So, if your RT leaves or can't play because of injury. You draft someone to replace him. Duh? Koppen, Connolly, Neal and a veteran pickup like Waters show that you don't need high draft picks at every ol position.
 
1. How the hell do you think we got 500+ points each of the last two seasons? I'm waiting for your answer. The Patriots are routinely at the bottom of the lead in sacks allowed. Brady deserves most of the credit for that. But, he also has had more than enough time to get rid of the ball in most games.

2. Koppen had an outstanding career for a 5th round pick. His replacement Dan Connolly was a UDFA. He has played pretty good. He was hurt yesterday and didn't play. It showed.

3. I won't even give Caserio credit for drafting them. Belichick had Dante go work those guys out and relied on his input. It's been well documented on Solder and Vollmer. You're wrong about giving Caserio more credit. Period.

4. If we re-up Vollmer I don't want to use a 1st or 2nd rounder on an interior OL. I'd rather have a wr. I value the tackles much more. So, if your RT leaves or can't play because of injury. You draft someone to replace him. Duh? Koppen, Connolly, Neal and a veteran pickup like Waters show that you don't need high draft picks at every ol position.


1. I see points scored as a function of the whole team, not just the abilities of an OL coach. As for sacks allowed, a noticeable achievement by our offensive line no doubt. But if that is the measure whereby one judges an OL only, then one would have to acknowledge that the Buffalo Bills had the best OL and OL coach last year and I'm not sure anyone wants to make that assertion.

2. There are plenty of outstanding careers from 5th rounders across the NFL. Koppens could be down to Dante's coaching, down to his own drive for success or a combination. What it doesn't do is prove anything about Dante on it's own.

3. The Caserio point was flippant. I'm fine with giving credit to Dante on pickng the OL, that makes him a good evaluator but not necessarily a good coach, but the point is that our OL last year included two first rounders, an all-pro, three second rounders as well as Marcus Cannon who was projected as a second rounder pre his illness. any coach should succeed with that assemblage of talent. As for the others, are there any that you think are irreplaceable?

4. I'm not sure I agree with you on picking a WR high. assuming Welker leaves, that WR would effectively be our fourth receiver at best behind Gronk, Ahern and Lloyd. I'm not sure he'd get the touches to warrant a high pick. As for Vollmer, I'd love him to re-sign but his snaps are being closely managed which suggests the Pats aren't comfortable giving him too much playing time so a replacement RT does seem like a possible high pick.


I'm not saying Dante is a bad coach. He may very well be the best in the game. All I'm doing is thinking about something that has become a preconception (ie that Dante is this exemplary coach) and wondering what evidence there is to support it. For example you list Neal and Koppen as evidence to back it up. Fair enough. But Brian Waters was an UDFA TE and was coached up by the Chiefs to become a regular pro-bowler. The Pats haven't had anything like that under Dante's tenure, at best we've had serviceable to good linemen from the later rounds and UDFA's and all NFL teams have that.
 
Dante isn't some magical coach that can turn any lineman into a stud. But what I do think he does better than any line coach in the NFL, is get the most out of guys. There don't seem to be any underachievers in New England and most seem to play up to their potential. That is why a bunch of lowly rated guys can become serviceable starters. But obviously the more talent he gets to work with the more he gets out of them. That's why I would look at guys like Seantrel Henderson or Xavier Nixon from Florida, because they have the raw skills and have flashed some potential, but need that coaching to reach it.
 
I'm not saying Dante is a bad coach. He may very well be the best in the game. All I'm doing is thinking about something that has become a preconception (ie that Dante is this exemplary coach) and wondering what evidence there is to support it. For example you list Neal and Koppen as evidence to back it up. Fair enough. But Brian Waters was an UDFA TE and was coached up by the Chiefs to become a regular pro-bowler. The Pats haven't had anything like that under Dante's tenure, at best we've had serviceable to good linemen from the later rounds and UDFA's and all NFL teams have that.

Isn't that exactly what Neal was? An UDFA wrestler who didn't play football in college and became arguably a Pro Bowl caliber player.
 
Isn't that exactly what Neal was? An UDFA wrestler who didn't play football in college and became arguably a Pro Bowl caliber player.

And he is most certainly the biggest success and I'm perfectly happy for anyone to put Neal on the plus side of the Dante ledger. Won't take issue with that all. All I'm saying is that to annoint Dante, more than one example is preferable.
 
I’ll give it another go before today’s game. Once again I need to be a bit creative to fit my guys in, but it’s too early in the process to worry about that.

Tag and trade Welker for 3rd + 4th
I think this could be Welker’s last year in New England with the focus shifting away from him. This is the same compensation the Cards got for Anquan Boldin

Comp picks in 4th and 5th for Mark Anderson and BJGE
Purely a guess.

1. OL- Barrett Jones- Alabama- 6’4” 305lbs
Mid-way through last season I mocked Jones to the Pats with the idea of moving him to OC. Well Nick Saban must have listened because that is exactly what has happened this year for Alabama, and that only adds more value and versatility to the guy I think is the best O-Lineman in the draft. Jones could step in from day 1 and start at OC or OG and maybe even fill in at OT. He is smart, well coached and battle tested against the best D-Lineman in the SEC over the past few years. At first I thought we would have no chance at getting him because we will be picking at 32, but the more I look the more he seems to be undervalued. It seems Chance Warmack is rated higher by most, and with the depth of this draft its possible Jones could be available at the end of round 1. If he’s not I would also be happy with Warmack or a trade down.

2. LB- CJ Mosley- Alabama- 6’2” 232lbs
Originally I had this pick as Dion Jordan from Oregon because he is an athletic freak. But then I watched some tape of Mosley and he really stood out. He is fast, instinctual and is a very good coverage LBer who would form a fantastic rotation with Mayo, Hightower and Spikes. He also adds versatility on special teams and like all Alabama players (you will see a trend here) he is experienced, tested and well coached. I’ll take the football player over the athlete every day.

3a. DL- Kwame Geathers- Georgia- 6’6” 350lbs
At the moment I am pretty happy with our front 7, especially the two big guys up front. But Wilfork is getting up there in age and you can never have too many quality D-Lineman. Geathers seems perfect as a DT for the Pats two-gap 4-3 where he can use his size and anchor to hold the point of attack and control the line of scrimmage. He is somewhat limited as a pass rusher at this stage but that isn’t an issue with this scheme. He would be a solid two down player that could rotate in with Wilfork and Love and hopefully develop into a monster in the middle of that defense.

3b. WR- Marcus Davis- Virginia Tech- 6’4” 232lbs
We have seen over the past few years the Pats move towards a TE based offense which allows them to create mismatches with defences. I would like to see that continue further by adding even more size, speed and matchup problems outside the numbers with a big, physical WR. Over the past 2 years I have loved Julio Jones and Alshon Jeffery, but there doesn’t seem to be that kind of elite, physical guy in this draft. The closest might be Marcus Davis, who is still raw, but has a ton of upside. At 6’4” 230lbs, Davis has reportedly run a 4.37 40, and holds the Virginia Tech record with a 44 inch vertical. He is by no means a finished product though. He needs to improve his route running and concentration because he has a habit of looking to make a move before he has made the catch, but the upside is immense. Speed and size on the outside to create even more mismatches and demand safety attention will only increase the effectiveness of our TE’s.

4a. TE- Michael Williams- Alabama- 6’6” 270lbs
Now I know most of you will think I’m crazy here, but I believe Michael Williams is the best TE in college football. He may not be the flashy, uber productive pass catching TE that most people fall in love with, but I don’t think any TE in college football adds more to their team than Williams. Since mid last year he has been a binkie of mine, and after watching him again against Arkansas he is a must draft. I don’t care what it takes, a 1st round pick, a trade up, whatever it takes he must be a Patriot. While he hasn’t put up big catch or yardage numbers, what he does do is make the entire offense better. He is the best blocking TE in college football and looks like and extra lineman when he is on the field. He has played a huge part is the success of Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson, as well as Alabama’s QB’s by giving them time and space to make plays. He may not make a ton of catches, but he seems to have good timing when he does by making a play at a key moment. He is a very good athlete and currently underutilized as a receiver by Alabama due to his blocking skills, but in the NFL I think he could flourish. I could see him as a Brandon Pettigrew type TE who is very well rounded and effective in the run game and passing game. Then we take into account his value on special teams units where he also excels and adds even more value. And that is before we get to character, leadership and intangibles where he is as good as it gets. He is a hard worker, team player and true leader that embodies the Patriot way as both a player and a person. Yes, I have a huge man crush on this guy.

4b. DL- Damion Square- Alabama- 6’3” 286lbs
Yep, another Alabama player (and I would take them all if I could). Square is probably overlooked because of the amount of talent around him, but he is a legit NFL prospect as well. With the shift to a 4-3 I think he is a good fit as a heavy LDE on early downs and shifting inside during passing situations. He has good quickness for his size and has experience two gapping for Alabama. It should be a fairly easy transition for him to a 4 man front, especially with his versatility. He is underrated now, but could move up draft boards pretty quickly (I think I read somewhere that someone already thinks he will go in the 1st round).

4c (comp). OT- Seantrel Henderson- Miami- 6’8” 345lbs
Will Vollmer’s injury history and impending free agency, RT could be a big need if the Pats aren’t comfortable with Marcus Cannon. While it may not be a great idea to replace an injury plagued OT with another player with a history of injury, I think Henderson might be too good of value to pass up. The former top OL recruit in the nation a few years ago, Henderson hasn’t quite lived up to the hype yet due to injury. But the talent is certainly there, and at 6’8” 345 lbs he could be a monster RT. He is surprisingly athletic for his size, and with some coaching from Dante, he could be one of the best RT’s in the NFL, provided he stays healthy.

5 (comp). QB- Best Player Available
It seems to me the position that will provide the best value in this draft will surprisingly be QB. There are at least 7 or 8 Senior QB’s who could be solid developmental guys and that is before any underclassman declare. This could be one of the deepest QB drafts in recent memory, and with the amount of young QB’s being drafted high in recent years, the demand doesn’t seem to be there and some quality guys could fall. There are 9 first or second year QB’s starting now in the NFL, and adding the established veterans, the demand for QB doesn’t seem to match the supply. I think it’s very possible that someone like Landry Jones, EJ Manuel, Mike Glennon, Ryan Nassib or even Aaron Murray could be available in the 5th round simply because of the depth and lack of demand. So this could be a perfect opportunity to grab another quality developmental QB.

7. WR- Kyle Prater- Northwestern- 6’4” 215lbs
While I think it’s highly unlikely that Prater declares in 2013 because he is only a Redshirt Sophomore, I would love to take a shot at this guy when he does declare. He has great size, good hands and has the potential of a #1 WR. He isn’t a primary receiver at Northwestern at the moment because he is new to the system after transferring from USC, but I think it’s only a matter of time before he has an impact.


And on a final note, is anyone else amazed by how good this Alabama team is, especially after the amount of talent that has left over the past few years. I have never seen as dominant an O-Line in college football with 3 guys currently projected as 1st round picks and a 4th who is a sophomore who might be the most talented of them all and a future 1st round pick. While their style might not be as exciting as some other teams, for anyone that just appreciates good quality football they are a pleasure to watch. They are more professional than half the teams in the NFL.

Great job, Wilfork, as always. I do have some issues with it though.

Mosley is a great player, and I agree with you and Manxman that the more Saban guys the better. I can't get onboard with picking him over Dion Jordan though, that's crazy talk. Also I think the coverage linebacker is being phased out. We haven't really seen any of that this year. However we have seen safeties subbing in to play linebacker. Gregory, Wilson, and Ebner have all played linebacker alongside Mayo in the 4-2. I think the moneyback (a safety playing LB) is the new coverage linebacker in the defense.

I like a lot Williams too, and he could very well be in my mocks, but I don't think he has quite the separation skills that you think he does. He's not that athletic and doesn't make sharp cuts IMO.
 
And he is most certainly the biggest success and I'm perfectly happy for anyone to put Neal on the plus side of the Dante ledger. Won't take issue with that all. All I'm saying is that to annoint Dante, more than one example is preferable.

Seems to me that when Neal came into the NFL with us, he was a D lineman and we cut him. Then e went to Philly and they converted him to O line and then we got him back and Dante did a fantastic job of coaching him up.
 
Time For another effort. For the purposes of this mock, I'm assuming a conditional pick in the fourth round:

Pick #1

Jonathan Cooper, OL, UNC



Fast becoming my favoured choice for our first overall pick. Good pass blocker and gets excellent movement in the run game, getting to the second level easily. Also has plenty of experience with 35 starts.

Pick #2

Cornelius Carradine, DE, Florida State



Tall, long-armed, there's a bit of Chandler Jones in Tank Carradine and at 265 lbs, has the size BB likes in his Defensive Ends.

Pick #3

Jordan Reed, TE, Florida



What a fuss when Aaron Hernandez went injured, all sorts of roster connotations followed. Reed looks like an ideal backup to Hernandez with enough receiving skills to be worthy of a place in his own right. Good hands, runs well with the ball in his hands and is a willing and good blocker.

Pick #4


Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia



Good hands, excellent speed and has good YAC ability. Doesn't have the size for a typical outside receiver but with the Pats passing game being about short receptions and YAC, I think Bailey is an ideal fit for the Pats system. Should get work as a returner too.

Pick #5

Jake Knott, LB, Iowa State




There's not a lot of depth behind Hightower, Spikes and Mayo and whilst Knott isn't the typical big MLB that Belichick likes he's good enough a run defender to serve as a backup to the big 3. Where Knott's strength lies is in pass defense where he excels with the height to defend TE's and the speed to defend RB's in the passing game.

Pick #6

Tanner Hawkinson, OT, Kansas



An athletic former TE offensive tackle with plenty of experience and a team captain. If you were writing down the perfect Pats pick for an OT, Tanner Hawkinson fits the bill. The knock on him is that he lacks the strength to start in the NFL but he's still building size (has added 70lbs in College already). He has the feel of an ideal Patriots OT and should serve as an excellent backup to Solder and Vollmer and I can see him being used extensively as a blocking TE. Would be excellent value in the 7th round where he's currently being projected.


Now if only I can find a way to fit Kyle Fuller in....
 
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Time For another effort. For the purposes of this mock, I'm assuming a conditional pick in the fourth round:

Pick #1

Jonathan Cooper, OL, UNC



Fast becoming my favoured choice for our first overall pick. Good pass blocker and gets excellent movement in the run game, getting to the second level easily. Also has plenty of experience with 35 starts.

Pick #2

Cornelius Carradine, DE, Florida State



Tall, long-armed, there's a bit of Chandler Jones in Tank Carradine and at 265 lbs, has the size BB likes in his Defensive Ends.

Pick #3

Jordan Reed, TE, Florida



What a fuss when Aaron Hernandez went injured, all sorts of roster connotations followed. Reed looks like an ideal backup to Hernandez with enough receiving skills to be worthy of a place in his own right. Good hands, runs well with the ball in his hands and is a willing and good blocker.

Pick #4


Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia



Good hands, excellent speed and has good YAC ability. Doesn't have the size for a typical outside receiver but with the Pats passing game being about short receptions and YAC, I think Bailey is an ideal fit for the Pats system. Should get work as a returner too.

Pick #5

Jake Knott, LB, Iowa State




There's not a lot of depth behind Hightower, Spikes and Mayo and whilst Knott isn't the typical big MLB that Belichick likes he's good enough a run defender to serve as a backup to the big 3. Where Knott's strength lies is in pass defense where he excels with the height to defend TE's and the speed to defend RB's in the passing game.

Pick #6

Tanner Hawkinson, OT, Kansas



An athletic former TE offensive tackle with plenty of experience and a team captain. If you were writing down the perfect Pats pick for an OT, Tanner Hawkinson fits the bill. The knock on him is that he lacks the strength to start in the NFL but he's still building size (has added 70lbs in College already). He has the feel of an ideal Patriots OT and should serve as an excellent backup to Solder and Vollmer and I can see him being used extensively as a blocking TE. Would be excellent value in the 7th round where he's currently being projected.


Now if only I can find a way to fit Kyle Fuller in....

Very nice.

I was just going to post a new mock on this thread with Cornelius "Tank" Carradine as one of my featured players. For all the attention Bjoern Werner has gotten, I wouldn't be surprised if Carradine was a better fit for the kind of DE that BB covets. He's a beast who has been flying under the radar, but who may break out big time this year.
 
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1st Round: Jackson Jeffcoat, DE, Texas (We need a second impact rushing opposite Jones)
2nd Round: Travis Frederick, G/C, Wisconsin (Interior of the line needs shoring up)
3rd Round: Cobi Hamilton, WR, Arkansas (If Welker leaves in free agency the WR position is looking a bit shallow)
4th Round: Daimion Stafford, S, Nebraska (Replacement for Chung if he leaves in free agency)
7th Round: Tanner Hawkinson, OT, Kansas (Developmental OT if Kopa doesn’t progress)
 
1st Round: Jackson Jeffcoat, DE, Texas (We need a second impact rushing opposite Jones)
2nd Round: Travis Frederick, G/C, Wisconsin (Interior of the line needs shoring up)
3rd Round: Cobi Hamilton, WR, Arkansas (If Welker leaves in free agency the WR position is looking a bit shallow)
4th Round: Daimion Stafford, S, Nebraska (Replacement for Chung if he leaves in free agency)
7th Round: Tanner Hawkinson, OT, Kansas (Developmental OT if Kopa doesn’t progress)


Good mock.

It's funny how Frederick has dropped off the radar a little with Wisconsin's troubles as has Ricky Wagner (NFL Draft Scout now have him as a third rounder).

Cobi Hamilton is really puzzling for me. He gets open, he has outstanding speed - sometimes you watch him and wonder how he's not a first round lock and then he'll drop an easy ball or do a silly fumble and then you realise. I wouldn't be disappointed by the pick at all because he has so much talent but I'd be constantly worried he'd turn into a bust.

Don't know your Nebraska safety and obviously like your Tanner Hawkinson pick as he's in my mock too.
 
Please review my most recent mock, namely pick #4. That was fortuitous considering what happened this weekend. Ironic thing is, He was the pick I was least certain of.

And for those who can't be bothered to go back and look (don't blame you), I had Stedman Bailey as a fourth rounder. That might be wishful thinking with Geno Smith set to continue tearing up college defenses with Bailey being his best receiver.
 
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1st Round: Jackson Jeffcoat, DE, Texas (We need a second impact rushing opposite Jones)
2nd Round: Travis Frederick, G/C, Wisconsin (Interior of the line needs shoring up)
3rd Round: Cobi Hamilton, WR, Arkansas (If Welker leaves in free agency the WR position is looking a bit shallow)
4th Round: Daimion Stafford, S, Nebraska (Replacement for Chung if he leaves in free agency)
7th Round: Tanner Hawkinson, OT, Kansas (Developmental OT if Kopa doesn’t progress)

Jeffcoat's not my personal choice, but he's a solid player. There are a lot of good DE prospects, assuming the expected juniors declare: Mingo, Montgomery, Werner, Jeffcoat, Carradine, Jordan, Okafor, Hunt, Gholston and others. It's a crapshoot as to who goes in what order or who the Pats will end up liking, but there are a lot of good options to choose from.
 
I like Jeffcoat because he has the NFL pedigree and his dad was a DE coach for the Cowboys and DL coach for the Texans.
 
And for the seventh round, I was thinking Theo Riddick but decided that we needed more help at O-line, plus e have Demps and hopefully Woodhead back
 
Jeffcoat's not my personal choice, but he's a solid player. There are a lot of good DE prospects, assuming the expected juniors declare: Mingo, Montgomery, Werner, Jeffcoat, Carradine, Jordan, Okafor, Hunt, Gholston and others. It's a crapshoot as to who goes in what order or who the Pats will end up liking, but there are a lot of good options to choose from.

One that might not be getting enough credit right now id Damontre Moore of Texas A&M. Not bad size for us but would probably need to put another 10-15 lbs on to be seriously considered by ourselves. Another one who looks to have long arms and one I think could very well go first round but isn't getting that buzz just yet.
 
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