End of an era at Penn State.

[Joker]

Lives next to a grammar school....coaches kids football teams....holds sleepovers...I mean, yeah, Cub Scout leader,on and on and on...that is what these scumbags DO!!! This is a VERY WELL KNOWN profile and has been for the past two decades.

Here's what we all need to ask ourselves ...how in the name of ************ does this predator get a 100K UNSECURED bail??????

WHAT?????

This cretin, these crimes, this nuclear impact...uh..please...this is at LEAST a million dollar bail WITH SURETY. This piece of excrement should not now nor ever in the near future be allowed to walk free with out a secured bail, ankle monitoring and unannounced checks by the bail division to insure he's not a danger to any more kids. No internet access.No residing within 500 feet of a school...all the controls and checks that the law has to stop these freakin' monsters from preying on kids.

This is totally ludicrous that this POS is a free man right now. There HAS to be more to this....what the hell could that judge be possibly considering...UNSECURED BAIL??????That's just a signature and off you go Donnie Diddleheimer...ridiculous...corrupt...I'm running out of adjectives to describe this mockery.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Instead, he turned his back on a rape victim and facilitated nine subsequent years of the same stuff. He's a weak ass b*tch, as is his Dad, and as a man there's no way any man with any shred of integrity couldn't hate both those atrophied c*nts.

Amen. That was my point in an earlier post, that he was reflective on what to do...asking his dad what to do versus being reflexive and instinctively grabbing/punching Sandusky and protecting the child and at a minimum yelling at him to interrupt the crime... I don't know where either of them (father/son's) have a moral compass focused but it's certainly not on "doing the right thing".
All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing...and then they're not so good anymore........

 

[Jackson 2]

Do college students qualify as "children"? My understanding of the situation is that they don't.

That's a good question. But I'm positive that 10 year-olds qualify.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

They need McQueary to testify against the higher ups as to what he saw and told them that they sugarcoated and ignored. If they make him a target, then the case against the AD, VP etc is weakened.....
Morally, he's missing a compass as his actions in the shower that day should have been reflexive, not reflective....

Not only missing a compass, he's apparently retained a sense of humor about his situation...

The Patriot-News says McQueary spoke with his wide receivers during a conference call Friday and told them he was hiding in protective custody, and that he was done as the team’s receivers coach. He reportedly told them he’s not in State College anymore, and that he’d double-fisting drinks (drinking alocholic drinks two at a time).

It’s no surprise McQueary’s drinking heavily — few people are in a more difficult position than him right now. He’s one of the most important witnesses in the case.

UPDATE: The Patriot-News’ story has been updated. They say McQueary’s “protective custody” comment was a bad joke that the players took seriously. The double-fisting drinks comment was also removed from the story.

Mike McQueary Reportedly in Protective Custody and Done Coaching Penn State | Larry Brown Sports

He's likely off the hook in the criminal sense, unless he opts to purjure himself as this thing continues to unfold, but the promising career at PSU that apparently meant everything to him and certainly more than the safety of one ten year old child is over at 37 as likely is his coaching career, period. The court of public opinion is reflexive, and he will have another 30 years to reflect on that.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Only putting this in because it's semi Pats related. Heard on PSU pregame show that Sam Gash is one of the leaders of a large group of former players who want input into who the university hires as Joepa's replacement.

 

[Wolfpack]

He did report the info to the AD. In the military it's called chain command.

Now the guy who witnessed it happen and did nothing:like "coach, what the hell are you doing" or "get off the kid, you perv" or just pulled him off the kid, he's one of the villains. But he has yet to be fired. Strange, very strange.

Indeed it is. Makes me think that he knows more than he has already revealed, and the PSU admin is afraid to alienate him or else he'll start babbling.

Or, perhaps, he already made a deal to do the best he could to protect Paterno and the university has to honor their end of the bargain as best they can.

 

[Wolfpack]

McQueary told his father, who told him to come immediately home. They went and told Paterno the next day.

Obviously a criminal act was committed so the father should have brought his son to the police. Paterno should have done more than say that he'd take care of it and pass the buck up the line of command. He should have told the son and father to report the crime to the police, told his superior and then checked later to make sure that something was done.

In the end, no one treated this like a criminal act.

They all treated this like a sexual harassment claim, where reporting it your superior is appropriate.

+1. The analogy I've been using is that they treated it like it was some sort of recruiting violation. Sort of a "victimless" crime, we certainly don't want to contact authorities, let's keep it all in house and hope no one finds out, etc.

But, of course, this is absolutely nothing like that.

 

[reflexblue]

The sick f*** lives next to an elementary school...unbelievable...

State College, PA - Sandusky Home Borders Elementary-School Grounds; Administrative Action Taken

I'm sure thats No Accident, that he just happens to live next to an elementary school. From the looks of it he wouldn't have much trouble seeing the kids and fantasizing.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

That's a good question. But I'm positive that 10 year-olds qualify.

That's conflating the argument.

The question being "debated" was: was McQueary a mandatory reporter who had a legal duty to do more than he did?

My guess, based on the fact that K-12 and college are distinct entities, is that he was not, since a college coach would not normally "in the course of their employment or practice of their profession come into contact with children." Either he was a mandatory reporter before this incident—and therefore aware of his duty—or he wasn't; witnessing this one event would not suddenly make him one.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Hopefully when all the legal issues are out of the way and all the guilty are punished and out of the way, this school can rise to greatness once again.

The children are the utmost victims here ofcourse, they deserve justice,compensation,counselling and hopefully one day they will get piece of mind from this and be able to move on with their lives.

Beyond that, there are many more victims including the students,alumni,faculty and fans etc.
The pride and dignity has been hurt by this. For some people they live and die for this school,as they should and continue to do so. As long as they stand together and continue to strive for greatness they will certainly rise above this imo.

To be honest, the legal proceedings here have been slower and more lenient than I imagined they would be.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

+1. The analogy I've been using is that they treated it like it was some sort of recruiting violation. Sort of a "victimless" crime, we certainly don't want to contact authorities, let's keep it all in house and hope no one finds out, etc.

But, of course, this is absolutely nothing like that.

A Penn State alum called into one of the radio stations yesterday and said they did report it to the police, I think it was the college police, something thats been left out of the story. Still doesnt excuse the guy for not acting immediately when he witnessed Sandusky and the kid in the shower.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Excellent piece on what went wrong at PSU and sadly why.

Joe Paterno: The Blind Eye Of Betrayal - Arrowhead Addict - A Kansas City Chiefs Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more

And going forward, I have zero sympathy for the so called other victims including the students, alumni, faculty and fans etc. whose foolish pride and phony dignity has been hurt by this. Choosing to live and die for any school is something they and all football fans should get over because the goal should not be to rise above anything uncontionable that happens in their insular little Happy Valley ever again.

 

[Raymond]

It's all detailed here in the grand jury report for those who may have not seen it. Very sad.

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

 

[Wolfpack]

A Penn State alum called into one of the radio stations yesterday and said they did report it to the police, I think it was the college police, something thats been left out of the story.

Well that has been left out of the grand jury's Findings of Fact too and it's been "left out" because it's not true. The grand jury's Findings specifically state it was never reported to university police or any police agency.

So you'll have to forgive me if I accept the findings of the grand jury over the 3rd hand report of some anonymous alum on some talk radio station.

 

[dhamz]

A Penn State alum called into one of the radio stations yesterday and said they did report it to the police, I think it was the college police, something thats been left out of the story. Still doesnt excuse the guy for not acting immediately when he witnessed Sandusky and the kid in the shower.

This is called playing semantics - Gary Shultz one of the administrators who knew and is now under indictment ran a large department at Penn St. and the campus police were part of that department.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Excellent piece on what went wrong at PSU and sadly why.


And going forward, I have zero sympathy for the so called other victims including the students, alumni, faculty and fans etc. whose foolish pride and phony dignity has been hurt by this. Choosing to live and die for any school is something they and all football fans should get over because the goal should not be to rise above anything uncontionable that happens in their insular little Happy Valley ever again.

A friend of mine recently toured the campus with his son, a prospective student before this situation arose and he described it perfectly. It is like a cult out there in an isolated community where Coach Joe and the football program are deified and could do no wrong. The students buy into it and live by the "we are Penn state " mantra. In that kind of atmosphere, it is easy to see how blind eyes are turned to transgressions by their 'heroes/idols" no matter how heinous......

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Excellent piece on what went wrong at PSU and sadly why.

Joe Paterno: The Blind Eye Of Betrayal - Arrowhead Addict - A Kansas City Chiefs Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more

And going forward, I have zero sympathy for the so called other victims including the students, alumni, faculty and fans etc. whose foolish pride and phony dignity has been hurt by this. Choosing to live and die for any school is something they and all football fans should get over because the goal should not be to rise above anything uncontionable that happens in their insular little Happy Valley ever again.

Your not a closet Arrowhead Addict are you Mo?

 

[BaltimorePatsFan]

Let's sign JoePa as our "gameday consultant!"

 

[Ring 6]

The police have already said that Paterno is not criminally liable for any failure to report, because he followed the law.


The truth of the matter is that nothing that's publicly known has shown Paterno in any kind of definite wrong. He's being hung out to dry on the basis of a mythical "moral duty" to report.

This is without a doubt the most disgusting viewpoint ever expressed on this board.
To truly understand this, since this poster has a history of citing literal definitions of words, I went ot dictionary.com to make sure I understand what he is trying to say.
Here is the appropriate definition

without foundation in fact; imaginary; fictitious: The explanation was entirely mythical.

The other refer back to the definition of myth, which is:

any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.
4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.

5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.


So the poster is saying above that the moral duty to STOP DEFENSELESS CHILDREN FROM BEING MOLESTED AND RAPED BY A PREDATORY MONSTER is an invented concept and MORALLY THERE IS NO RESPONSIBILITY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

That moral compass is pointed straight at the Jeffrey Dahmer pole.

Deus Irae, are you seriously telling me that in your set of morals if a man is anally raping a defenseless child your moral standards say it is a fallacy that you have a responsibility to do something to stop it?
Are you seriously defending the moral right of a grown man to rape a young defenseless boy?
This post literally made me vomit.

 

[Jackson 2]

That's conflating the argument.

The question being "debated" was: was McQueary a mandatory reporter who had a legal duty to do more than he did?

My guess, based on the fact that K-12 and college are distinct entities, is that he was not, since a college coach would not normally "in the course of their employment or practice of their profession come into contact with children." Either he was a mandatory reporter before this incident—and therefore aware of his duty—or he wasn't; witnessing this one event would not suddenly make him one.

McQueary and Sandusky both coached together at Penn State Boys Football Camp in the summer as recently as 2006. In the course of that employment, they most certainly came into contact with children.