Myra Kraft, dragon lady?

[thomas144]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

OK, smartass, what about Hartford?

Oh please, who wants to own an NFL franchise in Hartford, Connecticutt? What's the fun in that?

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

The so called fued was mention on Felger's show, its little stuff, but the salary thing could be the reason why there may be some friction...

 

[Jacky Roberts]

I think that spreading the rumor about Myra is nasty and low class.

BUT

If you think that BB's situation has no impact on the team and his standing then you are kidding yourselves.

BB MAY have brought himself and the team into disrepute with this incident. If there is nothing to BB's involvement and the husband is just trying to throw stones to better his position in the divorce, then BB is a victim and no harm no foul to the Pats, and BB can sue for defamation or slander or something.

If however BB IS involved he may no longer have a job, and it will have nothing to do with Myra. Bob Kraft can't keep the kind of team he has built together if his HC is a publicly acknowledged adulterer/home-wrecker. The situation is less clear cut if BB is involved but to a lesser extent.

The reason is because the Pats have standards of conduct for their players. They do not allow them to behave off the field the way they do in other cities. If the HC is behaving in a manner that is immoral and brings disrepute to the team and gets away with it, the team and the HC will be unable to demand that the players keep their lives in order.

The pot can't call the kettle black, and not expect to get laughed out of the room. If the players lose respect for BB and think its unfair to impose standards on them that the HC himself is able to breach, you have lost your credibility and your team.

It will also be a perfect grievance for the Players Union to say that they are holding young, black (mostly), poor rookies to a standard that the HC has violated, if they end up disciplining anyone for off field behavior. That would then open up the personal lives of the other execs to scrutiny - journos looking to see if its a pattern of hypocrisy with the club, do as I say and not as I do.

OH yeah, if he is involved, its a big deal for BB's future, and the blame will be his alone.

Parcells got divorced his last year with the Patriots and it didn't even register a blip on the media's radar. This is a low class move made by a low class newspaper in the Boston Herald. No surprise that Herald writers are being treated like crap over there nowadays, they deserve it.

IF Kraft were to fire BB for something like this, then Kraft can go screw himself in my opinion.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

Oh please, who wants to own an NFL franchise in Hartford, Connecticutt? What's the fun in that?

:trolls:


Seriously.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

Just some speculation, but it's easy to imagine that Kraft might be trying to hold the line on salaries, even if only to make a point to the other owners that the salary cap did not need to be increased quite so much. As long as they are not spending to the cap, this remains a possibility, and would naturally be a frustration to Belichick, who is competing with other coaches who are spending to the cap.

Except that Kraft has admitted that he does NOT get involved in the salary discussions anymore.

 

[mikiemo83]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

I would have signed a few of the existing players about to be Free Agents after not getting the Branch of the Law this past preseason. I think if Asante was signed in August it would bhave been a lot cheaper than March - same for Graham - bonus money would have counted against this years cap correct?

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

I would have signed a few of the existing players about to be Free Agents after not getting the Branch of the Law this past preseason. I think if Asante was signed in August it would bhave been a lot cheaper than March - same for Graham - bonus money would have counted against this years cap correct?

None of us know what Samuel or Graham wanted. The organizational philosophy to to not overpay players because then everyone else on the team will be clamoring for theirs and then the inmates run the asylum. You can argue whether that's right or wrong but there's every indication that Belichick/Pioli have as much to do with this as the Krafts. In fact Belichick used to discuss cap management with Bob back in 1996 before he left with Parcells. This has been a long time coming and isn't just Kraft being cheap.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

Why is that a "big time reach"? Did they have the money? Could they have signed Branch? What were they saving the money for? Why not spend the money? Whose money was it?

Yes, the Patriots could have signed Branch. What you seem to be clueless about is that Branch did NOT want to re-sign with the Patriots. How can I say this? Because Branch's agent refused to negotiate with the Patriots. The Patriots made 3 different contract offers to Branch. There was not one single counter-offer made to the Patriots.

The Patriots also had money set aside for Ty Law. Law chose the Chiefs and his buddy Hermie.

The Patriots also had money set aside for Seymour's option bonus.

Since the start of the season, the Patriots also have given Dan Koppen an extension.

So, how about you get your facts together before you make such ILLOGICAL statements.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

Tell us exactly what you would have done with the money that would NOT have gone against what Belichick and the pats are all about the last 5 years... Don't avoid this either. Tell me exactly who you would have signed, where you would spend the money etc...


You can't say on Branch because BB does not rip up player's rookie contracts (unless you are seymour and get a 1 year raise in which they actually had negotiations, whereas branch never counter offered anything and tried to call all the shots, holding out till week 10 etc...).


One year the pats didn't get everything they wanted and therefore have extra money so it has to be the Krafts refusing to spend


They spend WISELY, and when you do that eventually there will come a time where there isn't any options left to spend the money on wisely.

Just an FYI - The Pats did NOT rip up the last year of Seymour's rookie contract. They ammended the 2nd to last year and also gave Seymour a split bonus of over 18 million. He got 6.66 million in August and he gets another 12 million in March.

 

[shmessy]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

Oh please, who wants to own an NFL franchise in Hartford, Connecticutt? What's the fun in that?

I guess Foxboro is an upgrade for someone like you.

 

[RayClay]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

Every indication? What indications? They have money unspent. They are not spending to the cap. They lost their two starting wide receivers, and Adam Vinatieri. What possible motivation would Belichick and Pioli have for not spending to the cap? It's not their money - it's Myra Kraft's money.

You mean Kraft wants to spend money and BB won't let him?

How soon we forget.

NFList
Patriots the team that's most set up for failure
By Joel Buchsbaum, Contributing editor
As published in print March 5, 2001


The question posed to NFL insiders was: Which team had the least chance of making the playoffs or going to the Super Bowl in the next five years? The Patriots were a unanimous choice, but several other teams will have more than their share of obstacles to overcome as well.

Almost all the scouts we spoke to gave the following reasons for picking the Patriots.

1. The Patriots are in salary-cap hell because they spent money unwisely due to their inability to evaluate their own talent.

http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives/features_2000/nflist_030501.asp

 

[mikiemo83]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

Yes, the Patriots could have signed Branch. What you seem to be clueless about is that Branch did NOT want to re-sign with the Patriots. How can I say this? Because Branch's agent refused to negotiate with the Patriots. The Patriots made 3 different contract offers to Branch. There was not one single counter-offer made to the Patriots.

that is wrong in my opinion, Branch did want to sign with the team but he wanted the final year of his contract ripped up and the Pats did not do that for Brady or Seymour so they held fast not to create a rush to the front office with all the players trying to do the same thing.

I agree with the hard line they took but also that Branch wanted to stay

 

[mikiemo83]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

I guess Foxboro is an upgrade for someone like you.

I agree it is over Hartford in my opinion, Hartford would have created a financial hardship for the region.

 

[Patters]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

Earlier in the year, Kraft said outright that the only reason they did not reach the salary cap was because they held back money in the event their negotiations with Branch and Law were successful. Kraft also said that he thought the team could very well spend the cap in the course of the year. The fact that they didn't has more to do with who's available than with Kraft trying to draw the line of the budget.

As far as what's going on with BB, my guess is that the matter has more to do with BB than with the Krafts. Coaching for the Giants would probably be very tempting to BB, and he's not going to close the door on it just yet, but in the end I think he'll choose to stay here. He'd better!

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I think that spreading the rumor about Myra is nasty and low class.

TheWickedOne: Agreed

If however BB IS involved he may no longer have a job, and it will have nothing to do with Myra. Bob Kraft can't keep the kind of team he has built together if his HC is a publicly acknowledged adulterer/home-wrecker. The situation is less clear cut if BB is involved but to a lesser extent.

The reason is because the Pats have standards of conduct for their players. They do not allow them to behave off the field the way they do in other cities. If the HC is behaving in a manner that is immoral and brings disrepute to the team and gets away with it, the team and the HC will be unable to demand that the players keep their lives in order.

The pot can't call the kettle black, and not expect to get laughed out of the room. If the players lose respect for BB and think its unfair to impose standards on them that the HC himself is able to breach, you have lost your credibility and your team.

It will also be a perfect grievance for the Players Union to say that they are holding young, black (mostly), poor rookies to a standard that the HC has violated, if they end up disciplining anyone for off field behavior. That would then open up the personal lives of the other execs to scrutiny - journos looking to see if its a pattern of hypocrisy with the club, do as I say and not as I do.

OH yeah, if he is involved, its a big deal for BB's future, and the blame will be his alone.

Utter bilge regarding the players union & player private life conduct with female humans.
There were, are, and will be young players fathering kids by multiple women to whom they are not married. The Pats (rightly) do not get involved in these situations. Why would the Players Union care about BB's alleged conduct snoking some former babe?

Physical abuse of women is an entirely different matter.

 

[thomas144]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

I guess Foxboro is an upgrade for someone like you.

I recently made a trip to Rhode Island and drove past Foxboro, which is the closest I've ever been to it. Honestly I don't really know what is meant by "I guess Foxboro is an upgrade for someone like you" and I don't have time to decipher this.

The Patriots were NEVER going to move to Hartford, and if they did, most people who are currently fans of the team would not have "followed" them. As it is, they suffer in popularity because of their South Shore location. I'm sure Kraft knows this.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

I'm becoming more alarmed by the fact that this board continues to malfunction weeks after Ian fixed it for the last time. Data base error mesages, maddening slowdowns, and today apparently the mod merge feature again is apparently malfunctioning. 4 threads on the same unsubstantiated rumor are spinning the board into yet another a Kraft bashing frenzy.

That some like Sean are slipping into their usual nervous nellie mode is to be expected - it is what it is. Maybe what we need is yet another forum for unsubstantiated rumor hysteria so the rest of us wouldn't have to endure seeing this crap at the top of the heap every time we open the page, when it does open that is.

 

[Mainefan]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

Another tabloid thread.

Another waste of space.

Anything have anything wise or interesting to say about football?

 

[PatsFan37]

Can someone please help me

:trolls:


Seriously.

I don't know how, on this new version of the forum, to put someone on my ignore list. And this Thomas fellow is such a perfect candidate. Can anyone tell me how to do it?

 

[CopenhagenPatsfan]

Re: The " so called Belichick and Kraft feud is becoming somewhat alarming

Yes, the Patriots could have signed Branch. What you seem to be clueless about is that Branch did NOT want to re-sign with the Patriots. How can I say this? Because Branch's agent refused to negotiate with the Patriots. The Patriots made 3 different contract offers to Branch. There was not one single counter-offer made to the Patriots.

The Patriots also had money set aside for Ty Law. Law chose the Chiefs and his buddy Hermie.

The Patriots also had money set aside for Seymour's option bonus.

Since the start of the season, the Patriots also have given Dan Koppen an extension.

So, how about you get your facts together before you make such ILLOGICAL statements.

Please stop using facts, logic and common sense, to support your agrument, you might confuse some people around here