I'm disgusted to be a Patriots fan today

[WhoaDirty]

I for one am glad that we had this loss now.

I prefer them not to lose on my birthday myself.

 

[Joker]

The constant knee-jerking is reaching unbelievable levels of stupidity.

it is????...we gotta write a movie script then...we'll be rich!!! and famous...just like the Karbombian sisters....

 

[PonyExpress]

I don't know where to start with this post. You honestly believe that not only does Brady call all the plays, but that he calls them to pad his stats? You honestly believe Brady is that type of quarterback?

This is what others in this thread are talking about. The constant knee-jerking is reaching unbelievable levels of stupidity.

A careful observer of the Pats will recognize certain similarities between this game and a game vs the Chiefs in Arrowhead circa 2005. That was the pass-happy Pats under McDaniels at their worst. If the Pats maintain their current offensive philosophy, excessively favoring the pass with the running game as an afterthought, they will not win another Lombardi. Any longtime fan of this team, and the NFL in general, knows this. Far from being a "knee-jerk" reaction, it is a judgment informed by historical knowledge of this game.

After long service, Brady has received the honorary position of "emeritus" O-coordinator; he has become the prime-mover behind the teams offensive game plan going into each game, in addition to being responsible for audibles at the line. My contention is that another strong voice is needed, to counterbalance the natural desire of a great Qb to pass the ball. I hope that strong voice belongs to Bill O'Brien. The team is not always at its best when Brady is throwing, a philosophy Manning finally embraced the year the Colts won their only SB; Marino never subscribed to that philosophy, and his reluctance to do so helped doom his title hopes. Sometimes running the ball is best for a team, even when the QB is an all-timer.

Unfortunately, Qbs, being the most self-confident and hypercompetitive sportsmen on earth, are frequently unable or unwilling to acknowledge their own limitations within the context of a team game.

That is when coaching becomes crucial for team success. A savvy, assertive O-coordinator, with the full backing of his Head coach, must direct the wild competitiveness of great individual performers, who at times become unbalanced in the heat of the action.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Sports 'fan-dom' lives in the realm of emotion not in the realm of dry logic. After a very unexpected loss, it isn't likely to see most fans saying "the loss correlates to a lack of fourth quarter execution that can be corrected by the defender moving 3 inches to his left. This correction should mean the next match up will we won by => 4 points". The expectations in Patriot Nation are very high especially when the Pats jump out to a quick, 21 point lead. When that results in a last second 3 point loss, an abundance of fans will be heading to the ledge for a quick exit from this cold, cruel world. My suggestion, since you seem to lean more toward the realm of logic, let the others get it out of their systems for a day or two. Once they calm down, they will realize this loss was one game and there is another game to be played in just a few days. And, fyi, if we win that game 30 to 3, the Patriots will basically have the Super Bowl all sewn up .

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

A careful observer of the Pats will recognize certain similarities between this game and a game vs the Chiefs in Arrowhead circa 2005. That was the pass-happy Pats under McDaniels at their worst. If the Pats maintain their current offensive philosophy, excessively favoring the pass with the running game as an afterthought, they will not win another Lombardi. Any longtime fan of this team, and the NFL in general, knows this. Far from being a "knee-jerk" reaction, it is a judgment informed by historical knowledge of this game.

After long service, Brady has received the honorary position of "emeritus" O-coordinator; he has become the prime-mover behind the teams offensive game plan going into each game, in addition to being responsible for audibles at the line. My contention is that another strong voice is needed, to counterbalance the natural desire of a great Qb to pass the ball. I hope that strong voice belongs to Bill O'Brien. The team is not always at its best when Brady is throwing, a philosophy Manning finally embraced the year the Colts won their only SB; Marino never subscribed to that philosophy, and his reluctance to do so helped doom his title hopes. Sometimes running the ball is best for a team, even when the QB is an all-timer.

Unfortunately, Qbs, being the most self-confident and hypercompetitive sportsmen on earth, are frequently unable or unwilling to acknowledge their own limitations within the context of a team game.

That is when coaching becomes crucial for team success. A savvy, assertive O-coordinator, with the full backing of his Head coach, must direct the wild competitiveness of great individual performers, who at times become unbalanced in the heat of the action.

Very well said and I believe the past history will also show that without talent like Roger Craig behind him,I am not sure how many SBs Montana wins....he was never put into the fire the way Brady is...of course SF didn't have a pathetic NCAA defense either.

I may be of the minority,but I put Bill Walsh In BBs league,actually pretty darn close....he was great.

 

[Rob0729]

"Im disgusted to be a Patriots fan today"


yeah thats more than annoyed.

I'm am annoyed. Yesterday and today is just an explosion of what has been going on all season thus far. Even when the Pats beat the Dolphins and the Chargers, all certain people wanted to do was complain and player hate. It is the Red Sox/Curse of the Bambino mentality and it a loser fan mentality.

It is one thing to voice concerns and make valid and rational complaints about things. It is another thing to almost root for a player to fail so you can pile on him and try to manufacturer problems by things like overanalyzing Twitter accounts.

You know who acts like the Pats fans have after a loss? Jets fans. If we haven't become Red Sox fans prior 2004, we have become Jets fans. Again, it is the mentality of fans who never won anything in their lifetime and enjoy misery.

 

[Rob0729]

A careful observer of the Pats will recognize certain similarities between this game and a game vs the Chiefs in Arrowhead circa 2005. That was the pass-happy Pats under McDaniels at their worst. If the Pats maintain their current offensive philosophy, excessively favoring the pass with the running game as an afterthought, they will not win another Lombardi. Any longtime fan of this team, and the NFL in general, knows this. Far from being a "knee-jerk" reaction, it is a judgment informed by historical knowledge of this game.

After long service, Brady has received the honorary position of "emeritus" O-coordinator; he has become the prime-mover behind the teams offensive game plan going into each game, in addition to being responsible for audibles at the line. My contention is that another strong voice is needed, to counterbalance the natural desire of a great Qb to pass the ball. I hope that strong voice belongs to Bill O'Brien. The team is not always at its best when Brady is throwing, a philosophy Manning finally embraced the year the Colts won their only SB; Marino never subscribed to that philosophy, and his reluctance to do so helped doom his title hopes. Sometimes running the ball is best for a team, even when the QB is an all-timer.

Unfortunately, Qbs, being the most self-confident and hypercompetitive sportsmen on earth, are frequently unable or unwilling to acknowledge their own limitations within the context of a team game.

That is when coaching becomes crucial for team success. A savvy, assertive O-coordinator, with the full backing of his Head coach, must direct the wild competitiveness of great individual performers, who at times become unbalanced in the heat of the action.

Exhibit A of what I am talking about.

Last week when the Pats' offense was unstoppable and Brady had two historic performance, there wasn't complaining. After a loss where the offense put up 31 points (although Brady threw four picks for the first time in five years), people go back to their favorite crutch - OC bashing. If you are going to complain, people do something original.

 

[102 Pat]

I prefer them not to lose on my birthday myself.

I feel your pain, it's my birthday today, but yesterday was my birthday bash. The loss but a damper on the festivities...:bricks:

 

[everlong]

I feel your pain, it's my birthday today, but yesterday was my birthday bash. The loss but a damper on the festivities...:bricks:

The Denver playoff loss in 05, Jan 06, was on my birthday. It's just one regular season game and I was bummed too but the reactions on both sides are a little over the top. After a loss it brings out the worst in both the "haters" and "homers". I think some healthy criticism and concern is appropriate at this time. Asking if the game has passed BB by or claiming everything is fine so shut up is equally short sighted.

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

I feel your pain, it's my birthday today, but yesterday was my birthday bash. The loss but a damper on the festivities...:bricks:

Happy Belated 102..

Now re: the post, yes, I agree with Rob. Not cool. We have so many things to be thanksful for and like I said I really do believe when things like this happen, take a step back.

For the love of god it is worse that the stock market around here. Up one week and the sky is falling the next.

We are Patriot fans. We have been in the hunt for the last 10 years.

I am happy for the Bills, I really am. They deserve it. They love their Bills. As I am happy for the Lions. Their teams are doing great and that is great for the league.

The only thing I am really pizzed at is 12's lack of support. It frusterates me to no end to see noone having his back. He is human. He is going to have a bad game and he has been having them very very very rarely. However when he does, it seems like noone is around to pick up the rest of the team. He throws a pick...and the other team is gonna get some points. No forgiveness. That has to rot him a bit.

Football is a team sport. I wish the gang would step in and pick up the guys when the leader has one of those rare bad games. I can't help but think this puts a bit of an unwritten divide between the D and O.

Oh, and I think a bit of balance won't hurt. This Ridley kid wants the ball. Give him some touches, screens out of the back field. I think between him and the already proven Law firm, that should be enough to keep defenses on their toes a bit.

It's only game three.

 

[mcgraw_wv]

I find the OP brand of Fandom annoying as hell. I am allowed to be upset at a disgusting loss, I am a fan, I should CARE. Being upset, frustrated and down is a part of having an emotional connection to something. I care and invest a lot of emotional energy into this team.

Not too mention, when this game is a physical embodiment of "I told you so" that the little voice in my head kept telling me about the failure to improve the weakness of the teams past.

Nothing was done to address the pass rush, our DBs aren't good enough to cover for 5-7 seconds, and we can't stop anyone when we need it.

Our offense wins and losses games now.

 

[Patriot to the Core]

I think it is more of fan's being dissapointed and frustrated than just down right *****ing and moaning over the team and coaches. I am upset that Ocho failed to convert the touchdown and that the defence was horrible to watch.

I have *****ed about it yes but this is what a forum is for, venting out that frustration and anger so we don't go to the shed and get the shotgun out......

 

[Rob0729]

People are mistaking being upset and venting and being Chicken Littles and loser fans. There are people on this board who have a part of them who are rooting for this team to fail (not consciously) just so they can biatch about their favorite targets whether it is Ochocinco, Bill O'Brien, or whoever.

BTW, the "I told you so" fan is the worse type of fan. They secretely root for the team to fail so they can say "See I told you <certain player> was going to be a bust" or "See I told you that they didn't fix this problem". They relish in their own personal satisfaction that they were right at the expense of the team.

I don't have any problem with people complaining and venting after a loss. That is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the people who seem to be only happy when they are miserable and there is a part of them that want this team to fail. I used to laugh at Red Sox fans for this and now I see it with Pats fans. Even in wins, these same people are biatching about something.

 

[stcjones]

Thanks for the "live from the game perspective"....appreciate that. In regards to our secondary...not sure who here had a ton of confidence in them. Brown looked lost at times and missed a few key tackles, Bodden hasn't been quite the same since surgery, chung was out, and Mccourty has played like sh!t overall since preseason. They, and the defense in general is our Achilles heel right now. Thought penalties were rough against Pats from my couch view as well (and im not a flag homer)...and yeah, fitz played well...but with no pressure...he looked even better...thx..

I was actually at the game.............. Watched the collapse live. Traditionally, after bad losses, I'm ussually unconsolable and anti-social for 2-3 days in a row.

I'm disappointed in the loss and this defense is really weak right now, but I'm not gonna be as bad as usual because watching the game live, I saw some things and have a different perspective of the game they watch was probably shown on TV.

1) This ain't your typical Bills team. I've seen every Pats @ Bills game for the last 5 years. This team is different. Their teams in the past woulda quit down 21 points. This team lost to a good football team. It's sucks, but it's beats the "aw sh!t" loss to Cleveland or some other crappy team we have no business lossing to.

2) The officials handed this game to Buffalo. The calls were terrible. Both sides actually, but the Pats got the crap end of the stick at really inopportune times. I'm not a blame the refs kinda guy, but watching it live......... they totally impacted this game in the favor of the Bills.

3) Even in the loss, I was able to see some good things about some of our rooks. Ridley is going to be great and Solder is a beast. They really out-played our veterans there today.

On the not so good side.

1) I've been an ardant supporter, but Ocho ain't getting it. It's getting close to time to fold up the tents on that project.

2) Our D line was pretty bad today. Ryan had "brady-like" time to throw and our DB's are not nearly as good as we think.

3) That was the wackiest last 3 minutes of a game I've evern seen. I have to watch it on TV to even figure out WTF happened.

In the end, this team will be a good one, but there is a good deal of work to go to. I'm not gonna cry to hard on this loss because I watched it happened (sounds weird to say, but it's true). It was the Bills day, every ball bounced there way after 8 years of having it bounce ours.

Sleep on it guys............ You'll feel better in the morning.

 

[stcjones]

I think it is more of fan's being dissapointed and frustrated than just down right *****ing and moaning over the team and coaches. I am upset that Ocho failed to convert the touchdown and that the defence was horrible to watch.

I have *****ed about it yes but this is what a forum is for, venting out that frustration and anger so we don't go to the shed and get the shotgun out......

I agree with u.....

 

[Haley]

Cmon now.

If people want to vent about the game, I see nothing wrong with that. While I may find some of the comments ridiculous, I'm not afraid to discuss any topic. But if everyone up here had the same opinion, we wouldn't have much to talk about.

I'm really not a fan of censorship.

Personally, I enjoyed the game even if it was a loss. There were mistakes, sure, but it was still hard fought.

 

[Patriot to the Core]

Cmon now.

If people want to vent about the game, I see nothing wrong with that. While I may find some of the comments ridiculous, I'm not afraid to discuss any topic. But if everyone up here had the same opinion, we wouldn't have much to talk about.

I'm really not a fan of censorship.

Personally, I enjoyed the game even if it was a loss. There were mistakes, sure, but it was still hard fought.

I have to agree, adrenaline was pumping through me for the whole game, at parts I was delighted and sometimes felt like I was going to be sick but still a good game and just unhappy we couldn't hold out.

 

[Triumph]

I find the OP brand of Fandom annoying as hell. I am allowed to be upset at a disgusting loss, I am a fan, I should CARE. Being upset, frustrated and down is a part of having an emotional connection to something. I care and invest a lot of emotional energy into this team.

Not too mention, when this game is a physical embodiment of "I told you so" that the little voice in my head kept telling me about the failure to improve the weakness of the teams past.

Nothing was done to address the pass rush, our DBs aren't good enough to cover for 5-7 seconds, and we can't stop anyone when we need it.

Our offense wins and losses games now.

The Team will win or lose on the arm of Tom Brady until the defense improves. If it improves.

If the D improves, the Pats have a shot at another Championship. If it doesnt, history from 2005 will likely repeat it itself.

 

[reflexblue]

People are mistaking being upset and venting and being Chicken Littles and loser fans. There are people on this board who have a part of them who are rooting for this team to fail (not consciously) just so they can biatch about their favorite targets whether it is Ochocinco, Bill O'Brien, or whoever.

BTW, the "I told you so" fan is the worse type of fan. They secretely root for the team to fail so they can say "See I told you <certain player> was going to be a bust" or "See I told you that they didn't fix this problem". They relish in their own personal satisfaction that they were right at the expense of the team.

I don't have any problem with people complaining and venting after a loss. That is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the people who seem to be only happy when they are miserable and there is a part of them that want this team to fail. I used to laugh at Red Sox fans for this and now I see it with Pats fans. Even in wins, these same people are biatching about something.

Gee Silly Me, i didn't know we were only aloud to post happy positive things here, everything is all candy canes, lollipops, and unicorns The fact is Bill OBriens play calling has been an issue for years, and its not just me who has brought it up. Except for two months last year nov. and dec. his play calling has always been questionable. Why would he have TB pass so often when the team is up by THREE (3) TD's? pretty much abandon the run in the second half, he was calling plays like the Pats were behind in stead of in front. What OC would call for running play after running play when the team is behind at the end of the Fourth quarter and Needs to score quickly? Who would continuously fail to make any half time adjustments....l BOB thats who. Absolute Homers are just as bad as Trolls imho

 

[condon84]

People are mistaking being upset and venting and being Chicken Littles and loser fans. There are people on this board who have a part of them who are rooting for this team to fail (not consciously) just so they can biatch about their favorite targets whether it is Ochocinco, Bill O'Brien, or whoever.

BTW, the "I told you so" fan is the worse type of fan. They secretely root for the team to fail so they can say "See I told you <certain player> was going to be a bust" or "See I told you that they didn't fix this problem". They relish in their own personal satisfaction that they were right at the expense of the team.

I don't have any problem with people complaining and venting after a loss. That is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the people who seem to be only happy when they are miserable and there is a part of them that want this team to fail. I used to laugh at Red Sox fans for this and now I see it with Pats fans. Even in wins, these same people are biatching about something.

The fans that I LOL at are the fans that complain about other fans complaining about the team.

"...hey, you're complaing about the team the wrong way!"