The Jets suck (merged)

[Ring 6]

When you spend ALL your energy (not just Revis) stopping Moss, it opens the game for others. (see: Welker, Wes 192 yards). What you dumb Jets fans don't realize is that he doesn't have to be making the catches to be having an impact.

With a healed shoulder and better WR depth, you better hope the Jets pass rush is on fire against the Pats otherwise it's going to be 30+ points in both games.

Thats a great post. On top of that, the Jets plan requried the deception of the pass rush and blitz scheme to make Brady throw the ball more quickly than Moss' slow developing routes. Quicker throws take Moss out of the progressions, not coverage. Better protection, and Moss will be a recieving factor on top of the decoy factor that has worked well too.

 

[Kontradiction]

Santonio Holmes just had 1,300 and has a SB ring+ MVP. I wouldn't call him a piece of ****. But regardless if thats the case Darrelle Revis is better then your entire defense combined and Randy Moss is useless against the Jets because of him..so with those facts I'd say...Jets in a landslide

See now this makes you sound like a troll.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

Brady simply needs the 4th ring to cement GOAT over Montana, the only one who be considered ahead of him, but Brady isn't done yet.

Why Montana has 4 also and is god in the most important game of the year every single time hes played in a SB. I have the up most respect for Brady but lets see what happens when its all said and done. As of right now hes not

Some of your ranking are pretty out of whack.
The Jets cannot win RB 'in a landslide' over anyone, much less the team that was 12th in the league with many injuries, with a starter who has 108 carries in his career, and a backup who is over the hill.
Exactly where do you rank Greene among NFL RBs? You realize that he has never played 1/3 of the snaps in an NFL regular season game yet?
Aside from the Raider mopup time and playing agaisnt the Colts backups his season long stats equalled 73 carries for 301 yards. 4.1 per carry and about 22 yards a week. Lets clear the spot in Canton right now.
Your RB position is filled with uncertainty, not landslide advantage. The 2 most important players in your #1 rushing ranking are gone.

Leon Washington did **** last year. What did he contribute a whopping 331 yards? Tomlinson and Greene are better then any RB on your team. Your running game is more the product of an awesome oline. I think Greene will have a terrific season, hes better then Jones at his current age because he can actually break tackles and has some burst. I understand you guys were ranked 12th but we were rank 1st and I don't expect much of a drop off while you guys didn't do much to improve your running game.

TE landslide???? You are mediocre at TE.

I agree the Pats are talented but completely unproven at TE which is why i say landslide. Trust me I didn't mean it in a way that i thought we were awesome at TE lol Wasn't trying to claim we had a dope TE unit.

OL is still TBD. We are clearly better at LG and RG. You are clearly better at C. We will go back at forth at LT I'll take mine, I'm sure you'll take yours. Volmer will be if he isnt already far superior to Woody by midseason.

We loss our weakest link. Maybe I shouldn't of said in a landslide because your offensive line is pretty awesome. But I'm going to give ours the benefit of the doubt based on having the best C, a elite LT, and 2 great road graders on the right side. Plus we have as good as OL coach as there is

I actually think DL is a toss up IF Jenkins is in shape and 100% but he wont be so its advantage Pats, but not that comfortable.

Yeah I can agree with this when healthy but I still think you guys are comfortably ahead because Jenks is coming off ACL tear, similar to my thoughts about Welker, I don't take ACL tears lightly.

LB- I see no advantage inside. You have no one as good as Mayon and between Spikes and McKenzie we will be much stronger at the other spot. I personally think Bart Scott is one of the most overrated players in the NFL so my opinion of the Jets ILBs may be less than other peoples.
Outside, no doubt we have issues, but I am not at all impressed with either Pace or Thomas. We have a chance to be better if Cunningham or Crable play well, because you arent setting the bar very high with those guys.
No way that is a landslide.

I completely disagree I think Harris is better then Mayo. He makes a lot more impact plays. Scott is awesome against the run adn hes a tough SOB and sure tackler. To put a pair of rookies up against him is laughable in my opinion. Pace is definitely good guy had 8 sacks in 12 games last year and was a force in every game. I think your underrating him. Thomas is ehhh solid if unspectacular

DB- You have Revis and not much else. Our safeties are better. Our #2 corner has a good chance to be better because Cromartie is awful. I dont think Revis makes in a landslide. Advantage, so far, but depending on how our young guys develop that may change.

You think Cromartie is awful? Barring injury he may surpass Bodden, who is definitely good. He was an All Pro for a reason. You don't pick off 10 passes and Peyton Manning 3 times in one half by accident. Mayweather is better then Leonhard so i'd say your safeties are better but we are much deeper at CB. Revis is the best player on both defenses which is one of the reasons its a landslide. Kyle Wilson was a coin flip away from being selected #7 overall I'd say hes going to be pretty damn good himself.

Overall definitely good feedback from you.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

See now this makes you sound like a troll.

I'm not being a troll I'm responding to comments like Tom Brady was the 3rd best QB in football last year, Randy Moss is better then at worst 3 good #2s combined so I joined the sarcasm. i don't actually think Revis is better then an entire defense by himself, just the secondary lol Since 33 year old Randy Moss is better then our 3 WRs combined no?

 

[Kontradiction]

I'm not being a troll I'm responding to comments like Tom Brady was the 3rd best QB in football last year, Randy Moss is better then at worst 3 good #2s combined so I joined the sarcasm. i don't actually think Revis is better then an entire defense by himself, just the secondary lol Since 33 year old Randy Moss is better then our 3 WRs combined no?

I would actually take our entire secondary over your's, but Revis is better than any one corner we have.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

I would actually take our entire secondary over your's, but Revis is better than any one corner we have.

That's cool that's your preference I respect a statement like that. Me personally, I prefer my teams #1 pass defense over anyone else.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm not being a troll I'm responding to comments like Tom Brady was the 3rd best QB in football last year, Randy Moss is better then at worst 3 good #2s combined so I joined the sarcasm. i don't actually think Revis is better then an entire defense by himself, just the secondary lol Since 33 year old Randy Moss is better then our 3 WRs combined no?

I can make a case for Brady being the #3 QB in the NFL last season. However, even if you wanted to rate Brady all the way down to #6 on the QB list (that's where you'd have him, given how many players you put in front of him), how the hell does that help your argument? Brady being #3 coming off of ACL surgery is awesome, but just being #6 shows he sucks or something? Brady was throwing passes to Sam Aiken, for crying out loud.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

I can make a case for Brady being the #3 QB in the NFL last season. However, even if you wanted to rate Brady all the way down to #6 on the QB list (that's where you'd have him, given how many players you put in front of him), how the hell does that help your argument? Brady being #3 coming off of ACL surgery is awesome, but just being #6 shows he sucks or something? Brady was throwing passes to Sam Aiken, for crying out loud.

What? Brady sucks? I have praised Brady numerous times in this thread but because I don't think he was the 3rd best QB in the NFL last year that automatically looks like I think he sucks? Not at all. Did you see Brett Favre and Philip Rivers last year? Guys were amazing and from start to finish Brady wasn't. Injury or not it is what it is. Don't take away from other guys achievements last year because their name isn't Tom Brady. Sam Aiken? He was also throwing passes to Wes Welker and Randy Moss. What horror that must of been.

 

[Ring 6]

Why Montana has 4 also and is god in the most important game of the year every single time hes played in a SB. I have the up most respect for Brady but lets see what happens when its all said and done. As of right now hes not

Brady would be 'God in the SB' after leading his team to the winning score if Asante Samuel held on, one of 6 guys didn't let go of Manning and/or Tyree doesnt catch the pass he cant see. Thats not Bradys fault. Montana isnt better because his defense stopped the drive after he put his team ahead.

Leon Washington did **** last year. What did he contribute a whopping 331 yards? Tomlinson and Greene are better then any RB on your team. Your running game is more the product of an awesome oline. I think Greene will have a terrific season, hes better then Jones at his current age because he can actually break tackles and has some burst. I understand you guys were ranked 12th but we were rank 1st and I don't expect much of a drop off while you guys didn't do much to improve your running game.

I didnt even mention Washington.
The 2 most important were Faneca and Jones.
Tomlinson is over the hill, and not better any longer than anyone we have, and Greene can't be determined because he hasn't played enough to judge.
You should look up Laurence Maroney.
What did we do to improve our running game? Ideally we will not have 2 major contributors injured for large portions of this season too. We also will have Vollmer starting full time, and no longer a rookie.
You did things to make your running game worse.
We will never be the #1 rushing team because we have Tom Brady. Rankings dont tell the whole story but if your running game slips it could be devastating with such a poor QB.
At best its 50/50 whether your running game is worse. But that would require Shonn Greene to go from 108 carries to a workhorse capable of leading the #1 rushing attack. That is a TREMENDOUSLY LARGE assumption on your part.

I agree but the Pats are talented but completely unproven at TE which is why i say landslide. Trust me I didn't mean it in a way that i thought we were awesome at TE lol Wasn't trying to claim we had a dope TE unit.

You cant have a landslide if you are mediocre.

We loss our weakest link. Maybe I shouldn't of said in a landslide because your offensive line is pretty awesome. But I'm going to give ours the benefit of the doubt based on having the best C, a elite LT, and 2 great road graders on the right side. Plus we have as good as OL coach as there is

Revisionist history aside Faneca was not your weakest link. He was your best run blocker
To call the right side of your line 'GREAT' makes me just want to put you on ignore. Thats silly. Damien Woody a GREAT RT, oh borther.

I completely disagree I think Harris is better then Mayo. He makes a lot more impact plays. Scott is awesome against the run adn hes a tough SOB and sure tackler. To put a pair of rookies up against him is laughable in my opinion. Pace is definitely good guy had 8 sacks in 12 games last year and was a force in every game. I think your underrating him. Thomas is ehhh solid if unspectacular

Mayo is a better player than Harris. Maybe you were watching him play on an injured knee last year to draw that conclusion. Healthy, Mayo is one of the top 2-3 ILBs in the NFL.
As I said I think Scitt is terribly overrated. You just carried that on. Pace does not impress me, getting 8 sacks mostly due to scheme making him free or blocked by a RB is not a sign of greatness.

You think Cromartie is awful? Barring injury he may surpass Bodden, who is definitely good. He was an All Pro for a reason. You don't pick off 10 passes and Peyton Manning 3 times in one half by accident. Mayweather is better then Leonhard so i'd say your safeties are better but we are much deeper at CB. Revis is the best player on both defenses which is one of the reasons its a landslide. Kyle Wilson was a coin flip away from being selected #7 overall I'd say hes going to be pretty damn good himself.

Yes, Cromartie is awful. He got a bunch of picks on a good team by gambling which made everyone overlook that aside from those picks he wasnt covering anyone very well. That is not my definiton of a good corner.
He was sent packing from SD because he wouldn't play the defense that was called, refused to tackle, and was an undisciplined guy that QBs picked on. Yeah, he sucks. Better than Bodden???? Wow, you need some lessons on evaluating corners.
What is a coin flip away from being the 7th pick? What does that even mean? He was the 28th pick, what does the 7th pick have to do witb that?

Overall definitely good feedback from you. [/quote]

 

[Ring 6]

What? Brady sucks? I have praised Brady numerous times in this thread but because I don't think he was the 3rd best QB in the NFL last year that automatically looks like I think he sucks? Not at all. Did you see Brett Favre and Philip Rivers last year? Guys were amazing and from start to finish Brady wasn't. Injury or not it is what it is. Don't take away from other guys achievements last year because their name isn't Tom Brady. Sam Aiken? He was also throwing passes to Wes Welker and Randy Moss. What horror that must of been.

Your first reason for why the Patriots suck was Brady.

 

[Kontradiction]

That's cool that's your preference I respect a statement like that. Me personally, I prefer my teams #1 pass defense over anyone else.

Let's match them up...

Revis > Bodden
Cromartie < Butler
Wilson < McCourty
Lowry > Wilhite
Meriweather > Pool
Sanders > Leonard

This, of course, assumes Chung does not start the season. If he does, I'm not sure I could rate the last safety position. Revis, of course, has the advantage over Bodden. I like Butler (who can actually hit and showed SIGNIFICANT improvement over the course of last season) over the spineless Cromartie. McCourty has impressed more than Wilson. I've not been high on Wilhite so I would put either Lowry or Strickland over him (while Wheatley is still a relative unknown). Meriweather blows Pool out of the water while Sanders edges Leonard. This is being fair as well.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

Brady would be 'God in the SB' after leading his team to the winning score if Asante Samuel held on, one of 6 guys didn't let go of Manning and/or Tyree doesnt catch the pass he cant see. Thats not Bradys fault. Montana isnt better because his defense stopped the drive after he put his team ahead.

it isn't Bradys fault but **** happens. This topic is irrelevant if/when he wins a 4th ring.

I didnt even mention Washington.
The 2 most important were Faneca and Jones.
Tomlinson is over the hill, and not better any longer than anyone we have, and Greene can't be determined because he hasn't played enough to judge.
You should look up Laurence Maroney.
What did we do to improve our running game? Ideally we will not have 2 major contributors injured for large portions of this season too. We also will have Vollmer starting full time, and no longer a rookie.
You did things to make your running game worse.
We will never be the #1 rushing team because we have Tom Brady. Rankings dont tell the whole story but if your running game slips it could be devastating with such a poor QB.
At best its 50/50 whether your running game is worse. But that would require Shonn Greene to go from 108 carries to a workhorse capable of leading the #1 rushing attack. That is a TREMENDOUSLY LARGE assumption on your part.

My mistake for thinking you thought Leon, I was thinking RBs. Tomlinson is easily better in the red zone then any RB you have. He is also a better receiving RB then anybody on your team and yes I know about Faulk. Maroney is wildly inconsistent, injury prone and overall has not impressive since entering the NFL. Guy never even carried the rock for over 200 times in season. Hes got potential but hes nothing to brag about. RB is a plug and play position. Greene may get the rock 350 times this year be amazing and suck the following year. Who knows. I think hes going to have a better year this season then Maroney ever had. Even if our running game does decline it will be better then yours.

You cant have a landslide if you are mediocre.

I don't think I have ever seen as many question marks on a TE unit then I have seen this year about yours. On top of the fact that you basically use your TEs to block for the most part as they are a rare threat to catch the ball, I'd say almost every single team in the league has a better TE unit then yours in a landslide. That doesn't change unless they prove otherwise, which can easily happen.

Revisionist history aside Faneca was not your weakest link. He was your best run blocker
To call the right side of your line 'GREAT' makes me just want to put you on ignore. Thats silly. Damien Woody a GREAT RT, oh borther.

Who said they were GREAT LINEMAN?? I said they were greatROAD GRADERS meaning they are awesome for run blocking, which they are. Moore opens up tremendous holes and gets up field in LBs faces. Pass blocking is an entirely different story but you read what I typed wrong.

Mayo is a better player than Harris. Maybe you were watching him play on an injured knee last year to draw that conclusion. Healthy, Mayo is one of the top 2-3 ILBs in the NFL.
As I said I think Scitt is terribly overrated. You just carried that on. Pace does not impress me, getting 8 sacks mostly due to scheme making him free or blocked by a RB is not a sign of greatness.

Mayo doesn't make as many game changing plays and to me that is the reason why I feel Harris is better. Mayo is more athletic, Harris is a block shedding machine. If I had either or I wouldn't complain but I think Harris is definitely better. Last year alone, Harris made more impact plays including sacks, FFs, INTs, and nearly as many tackles for loss then Mayo has made in his entire career. Even before last year his rookie year he had 6.5 sacks with Mangina. 2nd year he was injured. Now if you want to say thats the system thats cool but BB is a defensive genius too no? I remember Bruschi making a number of impact plays. Even if you think Scott is overrated, what have your other ILBs done? More then Scott? 2 are rookies. If your gonna sh!t on the Jets for using the rookie replacing Faneca logic, how can you put rookies against a 9th year pro who has always played on great defenses?

I don't think Pace is a pure pass rusher by any means necessary. However I think hes made noticeably more plays then TBC through out his career. I never said greatness you exaggerated but hes definitely good, even with Mangina. Regardless of how you feel about Pace, Thomas and Taylor, their without a doubt a better trio then your OLBs.

Yes, Cromartie is awful. He got a bunch of picks on a good team by gambling which made everyone overlook that aside from those picks he wasnt covering anyone very well. That is not my definiton of a good corner.
He was sent packing from SD because he wouldn't play the defense that was called, refused to tackle, and was an undisciplined guy that QBs picked on. Yeah, he sucks. Better than Bodden???? Wow, you need some lessons on evaluating corners.
What is a coin flip away from being the 7th pick? What does that even mean? He was the 28th pick, what does the 7th pick have to do witb that?

So Cromartie is terrible in coverage? In a off year, QBs completed 57% of their passes for a whopping 2 TDs on 84 attempts. Considering the Chargers pass rush wasn't the greatest I wouldn't call that awful. Playing with a fractured hip in 2008, he got torched for 65% completion 4 TDs. He got abused while injured no argument from me there. and In his all pro season in 2007, he gave up 56% passes were completed and 1 TD compared to 10 INTs. Amazing? No. Awful??? Absolutely not. Cromartie has more athletic ability then any CB you have had since god knows when and thats not a shot towards your past secondaries but more so of how athletically gifted he is. He will be fine and if not I will come back and eat crow like a man. I got my information from profootballfocus.com.

The coin flip thing was how the Cleveland Browns decided to select Joe Hadden with the 7th pick. They were evenly split on Wilson, who some considered the best CB in the draft, and Hadden. So Holmgren decided to have a coin toss to decide who to draft because thats how tight it was. Mel Kiper had him ranked 20th overall on his boards and McCourtney, who is going to be a excellent press corner and ST nightmare, ranked 39th overall. Wilson is the better prospect so making it sound like he isn't **** either is kinda one sided. These aren't Jets fans these are neutral analysts and GMs.

The Jets had the number #1 passing down by a lot so I would think its a landslide regardless of who's secondary we put it up against especially with the upgrades from Lito to Cro and Lowery to Wilson.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

Your first reason for why the Patriots suck was Brady.

That is taken waayyy out of context. Anyone can see in this thread I have the up most respect for Tom Brady. Just because I mentioned him not being at his All World form doesn't mean anything. I deff don't think the pats are gonna suck nor have I ever said they will. I never said Brady was the #1 reason for it. I gave a random order of question marks on the Pats and I just so happened to mention Brady first. Cmon man

 

[Shaun John 9294]

Let's match them up...

Revis > Bodden
Cromartie < Butler
Wilson < McCourty
Lowry > Wilhite
Meriweather > Pool
Sanders > Leonard

This, of course, assumes Chung does not start the season. If he does, I'm not sure I could rate the last safety position. Revis, of course, has the advantage over Bodden. I like Butler (who can actually hit and showed SIGNIFICANT improvement over the course of last season) over the spineless Cromartie. McCourty has impressed more than Wilson. I've not been high on Wilhite so I would put either Lowry or Strickland over him (while Wheatley is still a relative unknown). Meriweather blows Pool out of the water while Sanders edges Leonard. This is being fair as well.

Butler allowed nearly identical numbers in coverage compared to Cromartie just on a smaller scale. Cromartie is much more gifted and a better ballhawk while Butler is more physical. I prefer the playmaking corner so in my opinion I'll take Cromartie. McCourtney and Wilson have never played a single down in the NFL but Wilson was rated higher then McCourtney for almost everyone. Let's just call this one TBD. We don't have Strickland anymore but we still have Lowery. I don't know enough about Wilhitte to make a call so tis whatever i'll take a toss up. If he is a solid cover corner I'll take your guy.

I think both your safeties are better. Overall I think the Jets have more potential because of our trio at CB and their outstanding upside IMO.

 

[Sciz]

McCourty was picked first. That makes him better as of right now. And if Wilson was the higher rated player, why wasn't he Bill's BPA at 22, and why wasn't he the pick at 27?

 

[Shaun John 9294]

McCourty was picked first. That makes him better as of right now. And if Wilson was the higher rated player, why wasn't he Bill's BPA at 22, and why wasn't he the pick at 27?

So because he was selected higher that means he is automatically better? Does everyone have the same draft boards?

Is the DT that the Jaguars selected 10th overall better then every single player selected after him because the Jags decided to select a 2nd rd prospect with the 10th overall pick?

Who would you rather have Blair Thomas or Emmitt Smith? Blair was selected top 3

 

[Sivy]

I'm telling you, durring that colts jets regular season game (the one where the colts laid down, and LET the jets win) I turned to my brother and said, "This jets offense may be the most boring I have ever saw" They barley put it together to beat the colts back ups..It was like the raiders played more exciting football. Yea, yea their def. may be good bud dang, that O was HORRIBLE..yet another reason why the jets suck.

 

[Sciz]

I'm just saying that claiming that you got the higher rated prospect means nothing when "almost everyone" who had him ranked higher had no where near the information that the Patriots had.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

I'm just saying that claiming that you got the higher rated prospect means nothing when "almost everyone" who had him ranked higher had no where near the information that the Patriots had.

Almost everyone who had him ranked higher had no where near the information that the Patriots had? What is this spygate part 2? lol naaa I'm just busting balls. Whos better? That is left TBD for the regular season when they actually get on the field.

 

[Rex Ryan's Gut]

I didnt say it made Patriot fans better, it makes the Patriots better than the Jets.

Education, upbrining, intelligence,character, the lack of in-breeding and just being generally more attractive is what makes Patriots fans better than Jet fans.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

In the spirit of the thread; Pats suck.