The Jets suck (merged)

[Shaun John 9294]

I'm not saying the Patriots and Jets have been equally successful trust me on that lol. Forunately for you guys its been awhile since you changed coaches. A new coach means new era. What happened with Mangini is irrelevent to this team. What other teams did in the past is also irrelevent. In year 1 Ryan has taken a team to the AFCCG DESPITE having a rookie QB costing us game after game. That 1-6 slide you mentioned a majority of those losses could go to our rookie QB lol. To me Ryan blew my expectations out of the water.


You keep bringing up the fact we NEEDED the last 2 opponents to give up in order to get the 6th seed (btw it was the 5th otherwise we would of knocked you guys out). At the end of the day are you trying to say you would rather keep your division title and getting blown out on your home turf? Tell me would you rather a 1-6 slide to the AFCCG or a pretty shiny division title that led to an upset 1st rd knockout? Who's season was more successful?

EDIT: Didn't see your other post myyyyy baaaddd. I guess maybe he meant his standards though I would think everyones standards include trusting your teammates, which he felt the Pats were lacking last year.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm not saying the Patriots and Jets have been equally successful trust me on that lol. Forunately for you guys its been awhile since you changed coaches. A new coach means new era. What happened with Mangini is irrelevent to this team. What other teams did in the past is also irrelevent. In year 1 Ryan has taken a team to the AFCCG DESPITE having a rookie QB costing us game after game. That 1-6 slide you mentioned a majority of those losses could go to our rookie QB lol. To me Ryan blew my expectations out of the water.


You keep bringing up the fact we NEEDED the last 2 opponents to give up in order to get the 6th seed (btw it was the 5th otherwise we would of knocked you guys out). At the end of the day are you trying to say you would rather keep your division title and getting blown out on your home turf? Tell me would you rather a 1-6 slide to the AFCCG or a pretty shiny division title that led to an upset 1st rd knockout? Who's season was more successful?

And you avoided my question about your teams leadership. How do you feel about it going forward after reading Tom Bradys remarks?

You're getting off topic. The topic is the Jets sucking with the power of a thousand MegaMaids

 

[Shaun John 9294]

Actually, most former players speak highly of the Pats, or say nothing at all. I suspect since Adalius Thomas couldn't keep his yap shut while on the team, he will have lots to say after he lands a job somewhere.

And I do like the revisionist history of last season. Any Jets fan who can say the team should have been better than 8-8 and out of the playoff, with 2 wins against the Bungals that had no offense on the field during the last 5 games of the regular season (average of what, 14 ppg?), as necessary to build this stellar regard, probably needs to revisit last year's game footage. If the Colts did not tank that regular season game, the Jets would be, at best, an afterthought going into this season.

I will credit them with a good game against the Chargers in the playoffs, but I will be interested in seeing if that Utopian locker room and all its new faces implodes prior to game 8 of the regular season. What's the over-under on when that happens, by the way?

I think its more if it happens rather then when it happens. The only REAL bad seed is Santonio Holmes, who is playing for a contract so I feel that will force him to be on his best behavior. Edwards and Cromartie aren't trouble makers. Cromartie doesn't know how to wrap his tool and Edwards punched a dude in the face. Worse things have happened in the NFL. I mean Ray Lewis killed somebody haha.

I'm not criticizing the Patriots former locker rooms at all. I think Tom Brady is a leaders leader and you guys are extremely lucky to have him. I think BB is one of the best coaches of all time. I think the dynasty you guys had earlier in the decade was amazing and wish I could say the same about my team.

My only issue is you guys are going by assuming that we will have locker room issues though the only peoples opinion that really matters are saying everything is awesome as usual chemistry wise(jets players,coaches) and the Patriots leader is saying the opposite about yours.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

You're getting off topic. The topic is the Jets sucking with the power of a thousand MegaMaids

Maybe in 1996 but not in 2010 I was just trying the impossible by turning a negative into a positive.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not saying the Patriots and Jets have been equally successful trust me on that lol. Forunately for you guys its been awhile since you changed coaches. A new coach means new era. What happened with Mangini is irrelevent to this team. What other teams did in the past is also irrelevent. In year 1 Ryan has taken a team to the AFCCG DESPITE having a rookie QB costing us game after game. That 1-6 slide you mentioned a majority of those losses could go to our rookie QB lol. To me Ryan blew my expectations out of the water.


You keep bringing up the fact we NEEDED the last 2 opponents to give up in order to get the 6th seed (btw it was the 5th otherwise we would of knocked you guys out). At the end of the day are you trying to say you would rather keep your division title and getting blown out on your home turf? Tell me would you rather a 1-6 slide to the AFCCG or a pretty shiny division title that led to an upset 1st rd knockout? Who's season was more successful?

And you avoided my question about your teams leadership. How do you feel about it going forward after reading Tom Bradys remarks?

Losing in the AFCC the 1st round or 2nd round is all the same to me. There is one winner in the playoffs and consolation prizes don't matter. I realize others may feel differently but I would not feel any better about 2009 if we went to the AFCC and lost.

I did answer your question about the leadership. Tom Brady says the leadership wasn't up his standard. He didnt say it in order to analyze things for someone he said it to send a message. He said it to impact the future not gripe about the past. Bradys message ALWAYS is 'we all have to do better'. I would never expect him to say anything is good and doesn't need to be improved. Given that there were some attitude issues with some players that are now gone, its not surprising that he makes those comments to send the message that it won't be tolerated.

What I see is the Patriots saying they are never satisfied and the Jets trying to convince everyone how wonderful everything is. In my experience those approaches end up with very differnet results.

 

[Deus Irae]

Maybe in 1996 but not in 2010 I was just trying the impossible by turning a negative into a positive.

Dude, among other assorted joys, you've got:

A coach who can't lose weight without resorting to life-threatening surgery, because the only time he can shut his mouth is when it's got food in it.

A man who remembers "Be fruitful and multiply" but has forgotten how to tackle.

A CB who thinks he's worth $20m a year.

A WR who's one slip away from an 8 or more game suspension.

A WR who might be facing a suspension in week 1, and who's one screw up away from a serious time out.

A RB who had a few decent weeks when he was fresher than everyone else now serving as your 'workhorse' back.

The classiest has-been in the NFL for your backup RB.

A QB who was the second worst in the game last season and seems to vapor lock under any consistent pressure.

A LB who's always going to be one piss test away from another extended vacation.

A NT who's clocking in at 390 lbs post-op.

A near-rookie replacing Faneca, leaving D'Bust to face life without his woobie.

A schedule would could easily result in a 1-5 start heading into the bye, and a matchup with the Packers coming out of that.


Or, to sum it up more succinctly: The Jets suck.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

Losing in the AFCC the 1st round or 2nd round is all the same to me. There is one winner in the playoffs and consolation prizes don't matter. I realize others may feel differently but I would not feel any better about 2009 if we went to the AFCC and lost.

I did answer your question about the leadership. Tom Brady says the leadership wasn't up his standard. He didnt say it in order to analyze things for someone he said it to send a message. He said it to impact the future not gripe about the past. Bradys message ALWAYS is 'we all have to do better'. I would never expect him to say anything is good and doesn't need to be improved. Given that there were some attitude issues with some players that are now gone, its not surprising that he makes those comments to send the message that it won't be tolerated.

What I see is the Patriots saying they are never satisfied and the Jets trying to convince everyone how wonderful everything is. In my experience those approaches end up with very differnet results.

Yea i know you did I just missed it. That makes perfect sense then especially considering how many rookies are on the team you want them to have a clear understanding from the get go. I definitely agree with him on that point. You guys are the Pats fans and obviously know more about your team then I do so you know best.

On the whole consolation prize subject, I agree and disagree. From the Patriots stand point I agree because you guys have won 3 SBs and been to 4 total this decade so obviously your expectations are held to the highest standard that you guys have earned. But from a far less successful team like the Jets, I view it as a stepping stone. I look at it as we are finally going in the right direction. I also believe in fake it until you make it. You can't become a champion unless you believe you are one. If you don't have confidence and believe in yourself, how do you expect to survive tough challenges and beat adversity?

Last year is over and I'm looking forward to the new season. Hopefully we can build upon our success from the previous year. I don't think its insane, I think its possible.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

Dude, among other assorted joys, you've got:

A coach who can't lose weight without resorting to life-threatening surgery, because the only time he can shut his mouth is when it's got food in it.

A man who remembers "Be fruitful and multiply" but has forgotten how to tackle.

A CB who thinks he's worth $20m a year.

A WR who's one slip away from an 8 or more game suspension.

A WR who might be facing a suspension in week 1, and who's one screw up away from a serious time out.

A RB who had a few decent weeks when he was fresher than everyone else now serving as your 'workhorse' back.

The classiest has-been in the NFL for your backup RB.

A QB who was the second worst in the game last season and seems to vapor lock under any consistent pressure.

A LB who's always going to be one piss test away from another extended vacation.

A NT who's clocking in at 390 lbs post-op.

A near-rookie replacing Faneca, leaving D'Bust to face life without his woobie.

A schedule would could easily result in a 1-5 start heading into the bye, and a matchup with the Packers coming out of that.


Or, to sum it up more succinctly: The Jets suck.

LMAO awesome.

 

[Sciz]

Don't forget their insane depth issues. They look good when you look at the starters, but their backups are pretty bad.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

Dude, among other assorted joys, you've got:

A coach who can't lose weight without resorting to life-threatening surgery, because the only time he can shut his mouth is when it's got food in it.

A man who remembers "Be fruitful and multiply" but has forgotten how to tackle.

A CB who thinks he's worth $20m a year.

A WR who's one slip away from an 8 or more game suspension.

A WR who might be facing a suspension in week 1, and who's one screw up away from a serious time out.

A RB who had a few decent weeks when he was fresher than everyone else now serving as your 'workhorse' back.

The classiest has-been in the NFL for your backup RB.

A QB who was the second worst in the game last season and seems to vapor lock under any consistent pressure.

A LB who's always going to be one piss test away from another extended vacation.

A NT who's clocking in at 390 lbs post-op.

A near-rookie replacing Faneca, leaving D'Bust to face life without his woobie.

A schedule would could easily result in a 1-5 start heading into the bye, and a matchup with the Packers coming out of that.


Or, to sum it up more succinctly: The Jets suck.

haha 2 can play that game.

A QB who may never regain his previous All World form

A running game that doesn't exist.

A former unstoppable WR looking inconsistent and quite mortal

Your 2nd best WR coming off multiple injuries including a ACL tear, rotator cuff tears and will miss games from the start

The replacement being an ancient way past his prime has been and a guy who played was a converted from QB to WR

A TE unit that includes one overweight has been and 2 rookies, one who hasn't played a game in over a year, and the other who is one dimensional

No replacement for Richard Seymour

A team filled with a bunch of questions marks in the back 7 besides Mayo, Bodden and Mayweather.

nearly 20% of your team is fconsumed by rookies if you keep them all

A coach that may have loss his touch?

And a schedule that may make you guys start out 1-7 with your only win, like the Jets apparently, coming from the Bills. Jets, Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers, RAVENS, Vikings. The Patriots aren't clearly better then any of those teams they can go either way, this isn't 2007.

Everyone has question marks no team is perfect

 

[Shaun John 9294]

Don't forget their insane depth issues. They look good when you look at the starters, but their backups are pretty bad.

Can't say I disagree.

 

[Ring 6]

haha 2 can play that game.

yes but some play it better than others. after i read your list i couldnt resist responding to each point

A QB who may never regain his previous All World form

Yes having the GOAT now 2 years removed from injury is a big reason we would suck

A running game that doesn't exist.

12th ranked is non-existent?

A former unstoppable WR looking inconsistent and quite mortal

yeah, ranking 5th in receiving yards and leading the NFL in TD catches is quite a liability to have around

A the 2nd best WR coming off multiple injuries including a ACL tear, rotator cuff tears

so we suck because a guy is injured? Thanks Doctor

The replacement being an ancient way past his prime has been and a guy who played was a converted from QB to WR

Right because Holt was only 41st in WR receiving yards. You know the 9th best 2nd WR. Who was behind him? Edwards? And Edelmen caught more passes per game than anyone on your team.

A TE unit that includes one overweight has been and 2 rookies, one who hasn't played a game in over a year, and the other who is one dimensional

Want to be that group gives us above average production?

No replacement for Richard Seymour

Coming from a team that has a guy with 1 career start battling 260 lb bustaroo Vernon Ghoslton to start at DE? We have 3 replacements. Mike Wright, Damione Lewis and Gerard Warren. While Seymour is better than any player you ever have, his replacements are better than you will have opposite Ellis. You lose again.

A team filled with a bunch of questions marks in the back 7 besides Mayo, Bodden and Mayweather.

TBC is proven. Sanders and McGowan are proven and Chung is a high pick likely to beat them out. ILB has great competition, we have a 2 from 09 and a 1 from 10 at corner. You got me, that 2nd rounder competing for one spot is a huge question mark

nearly 20% of your team is fconsumed by rookies if you keep them all

and 0% if we keep none. Are you seriously saying that the fact we had a lot of draft picks is a bad thing?

A coach that may have loss his touch?

Thats just stupid.

And a schedule that may make you guys start out 1-7 with your only win, like the Jets apparently, coming from the Bills. Jets, Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers, RAVENS, Vikings. The Patriots aren't clearly better then any of those teams they can go either way, this isn't 2007.

lets make that bet today

Everyone has question marks no team is perfect[/quote]
nice try though

 

[Deus Irae]

haha 2 can play that game.

A QB who may never regain his previous All World form

His last year form was good enough to still be about the 3rd best QB in the NFL. I'm reasonably certain that compares well to the Jets situation.

A running game that doesn't exist.

It was #12 in the NFL. That's hardly nonexistent.

A former unstoppable WR looking inconsistent and quite mortal

12th in catches
5th in yards
1st in TDs

Again, that certainly compares well to the Jets situation.

Your 2nd best WR coming off multiple injuries including a ACL tear, rotator cuff tears and will miss games from the start

Well, how many games he'll miss is an open question. It could conceivably be less than, say, Santonio Holmes. How the rotator cuff factors into it is beyond me, though. If you're going to play the healed injury game, perhaps we should start with Sanchez and his knee...

The replacement being an ancient way past his prime has been and a guy who played was a converted from QB to WR

That "ancient way past his prime" would have been second on the Jets in receptions last season, behind the immortal Jerricho Cotchery. The monster known as Braylon Edwards managed just 35 receptions in comparison, which is 16 fewer than that old man.

The QB conversion caught more passes as a rookie who was playing as Welker's backup than did your WR1, Braylon Edwards.

A TE unit that includes one overweight has been and 2 rookies, one who hasn't played a game in over a year, and the other who is one dimensional

Yep. No question that this is an issue for New England. Of course, in New England, the tight end isn't generally required to be the team's #2 receiver as was the case for the Jets last season. Crumpler had 27 catches last season. Recent Patriots history shows the TE1 generally pulling in around 30 catches per season, so that seems sufficient. Now, if Crumpler has been working on the Kris Jenkins diet, it will be an issue.

No replacement for Richard Seymour

Sure.... pick on my sore spot.

A team filled with a bunch of questions marks in the back 7 besides Mayo, Bodden and Mayweather.

How is Sanders a question mark? Guyton's not a question mark, and neither is TBC. They're both just best suited to be situational defenders. There's a difference.

nearly 20% of your team is fconsumed by rookies if you keep them all

I don't see how this is a problem

A coach that may have loss his touch?

No, he just sucked (by his standards) in most phases of football last year. Shockingly, he was still good enough to get his team to win the division. It's almost as if the Jets suck....

And a schedule that may make you guys start out 1-7 with your only win, like the Jets apparently, coming from the Bills. Jets, Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers, RAVENS, Vikings. The Patriots aren't clearly better then any of those teams they can go either way, this isn't 2007.

While I don't expect there to be an issue of which team is better when it comes to the Jets,Bills, Dolphins or Bengals, it's too early in the offseason to really argue it overmuch.

Everyone has question marks no team is perfect

True, but the Jets suck.

 

[Shaun John 9294]

I'm not gonna go down both of your lists because whether I'm right or wrong, your not going to agree anyways but I will bring up 2 points. I said BB may of loss his touch because I was absolutely shocked to see how unprepared they were in the playoffs especially at home. I mean cmon you guys didn't even put up a fight lol. They destroyed you, the Colts destroyed them and we gave the Colts a fight. Do you see how the pecking order on that goes? Tom Brady the 3rd best QB during the 2009 season? Based on reputation sure why not. Based on his play last year? Definitely not. Your saying he was better then Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Phillip Rivers? Sh!t its debatable if he was better then Matt Schaub let alone those guys. What he did in 2007 doesn't matter what he did in 2009 does.

Dude, among other assorted joys, you've got:

A coach who can't lose weight without resorting to life-threatening surgery, because the only time he can shut his mouth is when it's got food in it.

What does that have to do with the outstanding job he did last year?

A man who remembers "Be fruitful and multiply" but has forgotten how to tackle.

What does him making babies have to do with his ability to take a int to the house on any given play? He would easily be the 2nd best CB on your team maybe the best depending how he does this season since he was a former ALL PRO

A CB who thinks he's worth $20m a year.

His agent already said that was bs and you would trade anyone other then Brady(even though right now Revis is a better CB then he is a QB) to get that $20M a year CB. ANYBODY.

A WR who's one slip away from an 8 or more game suspension.

true but being that it is a contract year, I'm sure he will be on his best behavior

A WR who might be facing a suspension in week 1, and who's one screw up away from a serious time out.

it was already said that he isn't getting suspended. he is one screw up away but other then punching lebrons boy, has had no previous off field issues that would cause him to get suspended just like Cromartie

A RB who had a few decent weeks when he was fresher than everyone else now serving as your 'workhorse' back.

coming out of college he was the only RB in the country to rush for 100 yards every single game. better then laurence maroney or fred taylor or kevin faulk lol

The classiest has-been in the NFL for your backup RB.

that has been would be the best RB on your team

A QB who was the second worst in the game last season and seems to vapor lock under any consistent pressure.

this is a true statement. See I'm not in denial i admit when others are on point. thank god he has the best offensive line and running game in football to protect him. And generally QBs make a nice leap going into year 2. He also played his best during the playoffs. I think he will be ok

A LB who's always going to be one piss test away from another extended vacation.

true but thats more wishful thinking. thats the 3rd ? that your hoping for a suspension. he can play and you wouldn't mind having him

A NT who's clocking in at 390 lbs post-op.

yes and he will be back in shape. coming off acl tear he PROBABLY couldn't work out. this has happened before and hes been fine ya know 2 time ALL PRO

A near-rookie replacing Faneca, leaving D'Bust to face life without his woobie.

other then D'BRICK being a bust you must of forgot him owning Freeney and making the pro bowl...the LG questions are legit...bravo

A schedule would could easily result in a 1-5 start heading into the bye, and a matchup with the Packers coming out of that.

This is just as legit as you guys going 1-7...not gonna happen.

Or, to sum it up more succinctly: The Jets suck.

AFCCG or 1st rd blowout? hmmm...

 

[Joker]

The Pats slaughtered the Rats the last game they played them.Funny you conveniently forget that FACT.

 

[BAM!]

I thought this was pretty funny...

This is from an article trying to teach American's about the teams in the World Cup by comparing them to sports teams in the U.S. they most parallel...

8. ENGLAND



Man oh man do their fans talk a lotta sh*t. A LOTTA sh*t. Not so much in praise of themselves as raggin’ on other squads. Way too much for a team that’s won it all exactly one time, and that was way back in the '60s. Since then, they haven’t even finished second. Yet they talk and talk and deify the main man behind that '60s win. As opposed to their local tabloids, who take every chance they can to tear the team apart one day, while predicting impending championships the next. This team will almost always fall before the final hurdle, but… their current coach might just be the perfect man for this team. He has them playing better than they’ve played in decades, behind a mix of veterans and one gifted youngster whose performance will be the primary determining factor of where they finish. Still, you generally have to assume that they will buckle under the double burdens of incredible media pressure and inescapable history.

ENGLAND =

THE NEW YORK JETS

AH, HA, HA, HA, HA!!!! Even outsiders see the Jets and their fans for what they truly are!
(Here's the link to that article: The Unlikely Fan: THE WORLD CUP, TRANSLATED INTO AMERICAN)

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not gonna go down both of your lists because whether I'm right or wrong, your not going to agree anyways but I will bring up 2 points. I said BB may of loss his touch because I was absolutely shocked to see how unprepared they were in the playoffs especially at home. I mean cmon you guys didn't even put up a fight lol. They destroyed you, the Colts destroyed them and we gave the Colts a fight. Do you see how the pecking order on that goes? Tom Brady the 3rd best QB during the 2009 season? Based on reputation sure why not. Based on his play last year? Definitely not. Your saying he was better then Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Phillip Rivers? Sh!t its debatable if he was better then Matt Schaub let alone those guys. What he did in 2007 doesn't matter what he did in 2009 does.




What does that have to do with the outstanding job he did last year?



What does him making babies have to do with his ability to take a int to the house on any given play? He would easily be the 2nd best CB on your team maybe the best depending how he does this season since he was a former ALL PRO



His agent already said that was bs and you would trade anyone other then Brady(even though right now Revis is a better CB then he is a QB) to get that $20M a year CB. ANYBODY.



true but being that it is a contract year, I'm sure he will be on his best behavior



it was already said that he isn't getting suspended. he is one screw up away but other then punching lebrons boy, has had no previous off field issues that would cause him to get suspended just like Cromartie



coming out of college he was the only RB in the country to rush for 100 yards every single game. better then laurence maroney or fred taylor or kevin faulk lol

that has been would be the best RB on your team



this is a true statement. See I'm not in denial i admit when others are on point. thank god he has the best offensive line and running game in football to protect him. And generally QBs make a nice leap going into year 2. He also played his best during the playoffs. I think he will be ok



true but thats more wishful thinking. thats the 3rd ? that your hoping for a suspension. he can play and you wouldn't mind having him



yes and he will be back in shape. coming off acl tear he PROBABLY couldn't work out. this has happened before and hes been fine ya know 2 time ALL PRO



other then D'BRICK being a bust you must of forgot him owning Freeney and making the pro bowl...this is legit...bravo



This is just as legit as you guys going 1-7...not gonna happen.



AFCCG or 1st rd blowout? hmmm...

Perhaps you should put up one of those banners "AFCC Game Particpant" like the Colts have. You seem proud of that franchise crowning achievement.
I guess I understand why you think its such a big deal, as it qualifies as tied for the 2nd best season in your franchise history, as we return to the point of the thread, the Jets Suck.

 

[fair catch fryar]

"I'm not gonna go down both of your lists because whether I'm right or wrong, your not going to agree anyways"


I think Dues Irae and Andy Johnson pointed out the holes in your "we're better than you because I said so" argument, but of course........ don't let those silly, little facts and stats get in the way of you making your argument though.

 

[Rex Ryan's Gut]

Perhaps you should put up one of those banners "AFCC Game Particpant" like the Colts have. You seem proud of that franchise crowning achievement.
I guess I understand why you think its such a big deal, as it qualifies as tied for the 2nd best season in your franchise history, as we return to the point of the thread, the Jets Suck.

So ******* arrogant. Just a heads up, Patriots fans are not any better football fans than anyone else in the league because they have a highly successful organization.

Just saying.

 

[Kontradiction]

So ******* arrogant. Just a heads up, Patriots fans are not any better football fans than anyone else in the league because they have a highly successful organization.

Just saying.

It's pretty pathetic that Jets fans feel the need to gloat about an AFCCG appearance.

Just saying.