Zappe vs Mac

[catent]

Wouldn't be surprised to see Zappe start trying out some higher sitting cleats with inserts. If he can find 1/2 inch from the cleats and 1/4-1/2 inch from inserts, without sacrificing mobility/comfort, that would be pretty big. Give him close to an inch of additional height on his release point.

Zappe seems to be wearing lower cut, lower sitting cleats at the moment that look more like something a skill position player would wear. Brady, Jimmy G, and Jones tend to wear a higher sitting cleat. You can see it here, in the pictures below. Jones, Brady, and Jimmy look like they're standing on platforms, while Zappe's foot/ankle appears to sit lower to the ground.

Zappe has gotta try something similar because that's the biggest discernible weakness in his game right now - his stature/height/release point. Maybe I'm over analyzing the sh*t out of this but it seems like it makes sense and is actually doable. Definitely something Belichick would be all over, too, right? I guess it comes down to if Zappe can find shoes that give him height and are comfortable.

 

[Ununcle]

Zappe has been a big surprise so far this season. He is very raw (for that matter, so was/is Mac. BB put Mac in an embarassing spot and may have made a permanent dent in his confidence.

This is what I don't get. I didn't get to see the game, but from looking at the score, highlight's and the many comments on it, Why play mac if he isn't 100% when Zappe was doing as well as he was? If Mac was 100% then fine play him because Zappe's sample size is smaller and MAc did quite well last year, yada yada. But from what I've seen Mac got pulled after 6 pass playes and a pick? And the crowd was booing Mac? So then the brain trust decides now we'll go with the hot hand? But you don't pull either after a couple of plays. So then they put in Zappe,,, when the Defence is playing the worst all year and Zappe throws a couple picks? So now we have both QB's thinking they're one screw up away from the bench. They shoulda made a decision in this game and stuck with it. It reminds me of a quote that Leonord Nymoy did in Civ 4 in regards to hunting "If you chase 2 rabbits you will lose them both" .

 

[upstater1]

I just meant in general over the last few years. Moving on from Brady is fine if you have a plan set going forward. There was no plan.

Belichick had no plan

Uh-huh

 

[upstater1]

The weird part of this statement (while true) is that he is still performing better than 2019 Brady. Better comp %, on pace for more yards, much better td:int ratio, better rating, etc.

So many of the same fans saying Brady looks bad are also the same fans saying Belichick should have done anything it took to keep him in 2019.

Why? He was 42 and looked mediocre. No QB in history performed very well beyond 40 so it seemed as if he was just trending down like he appears to be doing again. So why were fans so angry? Because they had the hindsight to see how he’d look on a stacked roster that was significantly better than the 2020 Pats?

I guess it’s the same fans who decided to embarrass the fanbase by booing Jones. I understood wanting Zappe to start. He should have started at least one more week to see how legit he is. But to humiliate Jones was horrible.

They likely just booed him out of the city. Doubt he’ll re-sign here for a team friendly contract when the fans turned on him so quickly.

Now I guess we have to hope Zappe is the real deal because I can’t see Jones wanting to stick around once his contract is up.

You're not describing me in any of this

 

[upstater1]

If Mac or Zapp were having the statistical season Brady currently has we’d be calling them the next Tom Brady. And Brady has played awful just to put things in perspective.

How in the world does a 45 yr old Brady who is so stiff in the hips he can't throw an out anymore help us?

Please people. Let's stop this.

Moving on was absolutely the right move for the franchise.

 

[Ununcle]

6-foot-0:

OK I gotta ask. I know the difference it could make between a QB thats 6' 4" and Doug Flutie, but, is the difference between 6' and 6' and 3/4 of an inch or 1/4 that much? I'm not trying to be facetious, you just seem to be dealing in fractions here.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

How in the world does a 45 yr old Brady who is so stiff in the hips he can't throw an out anymore help us?

Please people. Let's stop this.

Moving on was absolutely the right move for the franchise.

Nothing that happened after showed it was the right move. Unless you think if we kept Brady we would have been less competitive? I for one think the team was going to fall apart anyway but it would have been nice to have Brady instead of Cam, for example. It was more the right move for Brady as he won another ring. Answer me this. Let's pretend we keep Brady. Do you think we are less competitive?

 

[Ununcle]

How in the world does a 45 yr old Brady who is so stiff in the hips he can't throw an out anymore help us?

Please people. Let's stop this.

Moving on was absolutely the right move for the franchise.

MAC10 will be along any minute to answer that and maybe post some Mahomes Stats on the year.

 

[upstater1]

Nothing that happened after showed it was the right move. Unless you think if we kept Brady we would have been less competitive? I for one think the team was going to fall apart anyway but it would have been nice to have Brady instead of Cam, for example. It was more the right move for Brady as he won another ring. Answer me this. Let's pretend we keep Brady. Do you think we are less competitive?

We're rebuilding.

A. Brady was not into the concept of rebuilding late in his career.
B. We needed to start the rebuild immediately as Belichick's time is limited.
C. The Cam year is a total washout since it came during a pandemic when there was little movement around the league, and our team in particular had a lot of the old heads still on it. When McCourty and Slater leave, this will be an entirely new team than the 2019 SB Champs. We'll be young. And by the looks of it, really good--if we can find 2 tackles and a couple linebackers. We have a draft and $60m under the cap to accomplish that goal. Brady would've just held this entire process back.

 

[mgteich]

We don't know Bill's plan going forward, but neither starting Zappe, or continuing with Jones would have helped much in making up for the performance by the Defense.

As far as the Offense is concerned, I don't know who to blame for zero 2nd half points. Of course, the Offense was never going to score enough.

 

[Tunescribe]

OK I gotta ask. I know the difference it could make between a QB thats 6' 4" and Doug Flutie, but, is the difference between 6' and 6' and 3/4 of an inch or 1/4 that much? I'm not trying to be facetious, you just seem to be dealing in fractions here.

I agree, just illustrating how numbers are fudged and usually where there's smoke there's fire, even if just a little. The prototypical height for QB throwing from the pocket apparently is 6-foot-4; the AVERAGE height leaguewide is 6-foot-3, which is where Mac is listed. It appears Bailey is too short to avoid batted balls without deliberate changes either to the blocking scheme or how he approaches play (rollouts, etc.).

Average Height for NFL Player – Reviewed by Position (2022) | Professionals HQ

The same old schtick about player heights will come up right before the NFL draft. It's not even just height. It's hand size, weight, and…

professionalshq.com

 

[signbabybrady]

We're rebuilding.

A. Brady was not into the concept of rebuilding late in his career.
B. We needed to start the rebuild immediately as Belichick's time is limited.
C. The Cam year is a total washout since it came during a pandemic when there was little movement around the league, and our team in particular had a lot of the old heads still on it. When McCourty and Slater leave, this will be an entirely new team than the 2019 SB Champs. We'll be young. And by the looks of it, really good--if we can find 2 tackles and a couple linebackers. We have a draft and $60m under the cap to accomplish that goal. Brady would've just held this entire process back.

Sounds like your plan also needs a new pro bowl FS and Gunner.

 

[mgteich]

We're rebuilding.
. can find 2 tackles and a couple linebackers.

Finding OT hasn't been easy.

We brought Brown and Cannon.
We signed Wynne's option.

And we still need three OT's two starters and a solid swing backup.

 

[Fuzz]

Brees, also listed at 6’, is the second most prolific passer of all time, so we shouldn’t count out Zappe just because of his height. I think Mac is the guy, but I find it ridiculous that people are now burying Zappe because of one bad half. He’s a rookie, I don’t know what people were expecting.

 

[aluminum seats]

6-foot-0:

5 things to know about Bailey Zappe, the Patriots quarterback suddenly thrust into the spotlight

Here’s a look at the young signal caller whom the Patriots selected in the fourth round of last April’s NFL Draft.

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6-foot-3/8:

Bailey Zappe, Western Kentucky QB | NFL Draft Scouting Report

We delve beyond the statistical output in his NFL Draft scouting report to discover that Western Kentucky QB Bailey Zappe has pro potential.

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6-foot-1/2:

Why Patriots rookie Bailey Zappe may be the second coming of Tom Brady

No one was expecting him to play, but 4th-round NFL Draft pick Bailey Zappe came out of nowhere to lead the Pats to a tight overtime loss over Aaron Rodgers and the Packers. The We

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6-foot-1/2:

Bailey Zappe Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

How is a report saying he’s 6 feet and a half an inch evidence that his height of 6 feet 1 inch is “inflated by at least 2 inches”?

 

[Ununcle]

the AVERAGE height leaguewide is 6-foot-3, which is where Mac is listed. It appears Bailey is too short to avoid batted balls without deliberate changes either to the blocking scheme or how he approaches play (rollouts, etc.).

Yeah it's really weird. I'm only 5'9 and I'm proud of Tying my shoes at my age. Maholms whos listed at 6'2 is running around like he's a member of the lolypop guild in the wiserd of Oz. He looks like a freakin dwarf out there. There's lineman out there at like 6'6 over 250-300 lbs runing running like they weigh 200. It's really deceiving. Botom line though, is it's not like either of our QB's are Danny Devito. On the other hand It would be kinda cool if Danny Devito was our QB.

 

[RIpats88]

This team was heading in the right direction last season, then the offseason of changing a good offense to a bad one run by 2 guys that shouldn't be there happened. After the first 2 preseason games this was all predictable. Zappe was a nice surprise but may be counterproductive in the long term. This season is shot... Belichick isn't going anywhere though, and his seat is NOT warm or anywhere near it.

Pretty much this. The team looked heading into the right direction. Then bill refused to hire an OL coach and hired two bozos to run the offense. Who have no offensive experience...

 

[RIpats88]

2022 team is not bad. I now have a feeling that QB coaching , O Line inconsistency and Linebacker speed/ linebacker 48 personnel selection is the issue.

2022 talent level is better than 2021. So what changed?

We went from a real OC in Josh McDaniels to two failed coaches in Patricia/Judge. Instead of bringing in a young fresh mind to coach offense bill instead brings in retreads who ruined their teams and were fired.

It's no way to build a coaching staff. Yes men who you don't have to pay because they are paid by the teams who fired them for being bad.

 

[NE_Zealot]

Hahaha

You haven't watched any Brady lately I take it

You have to watch the rest of the team. Mike Evans dropped a perfectly thrown pass that hit him in the hands. The Bucs OLine is missing Jensen and ATM isn’t very good. The WRs in general run poor routes and most of their woes on O can be traced back to Leftwich and the departure of Arians from the coaching staff. Add a failed HC in Bowles that just stands on the sideline and stares into space and you have a recipe for garbage. It’s never just one guy

 

[Ollie]

2022 talent level is better than 2021. So what changed?

We went from a real OC in Josh McDaniels to two failed coaches in Patricia/Judge. Instead of bringing in a young fresh mind to coach offense bill instead brings in retreads who ruined their teams and were fired.

It's no way to build a coaching staff. Yes men who you don't have to pay because they are paid by the teams who fired them for being bad.

Can we please stop with the failed coaches bullsh*t. Using the same logic McDaniels was a failed coach when we took him back after Denver. Lots of very good positional coaches and coordinators do not make great Head Coaches it doesn't mean they can never coach ever again. There is logic to the argument that perhaps they shouldn't be coaching offense but just last week all i read was praise for Judge and Patrica for the job that they had done with Zappe and now a week later the sky is falling in and they have ruined Mac even though the slide started happening before they were even here.