Zappe vs Mac

[borg]

2022 talent level is better than 2021. So what changed?

We went from a real OC in Josh McDaniels to two failed coaches in Patricia/Judge. Instead of bringing in a young fresh mind to coach offense bill instead brings in retreads who ruined their teams and were fired.

It's no way to build a coaching staff. Yes men who you don't have to pay because they are paid by the teams who fired them for being bad.

I'll add....

1) One of the many narratives dished out by the tealeaf readers regarding BB's mind-numbing decision to install his freebie toady offensive "consultants" vs a qualified outsider was to avoid discontinuity during Young Corky's development.

From Detroit to Foxboro, Fat Matt's work is easy to quantify.



Poor Mac.
I wonder if Patricia has even considered that his offensive line coaching failures have absolutely submarined Mac's sophomore season?
(no chance)

2) BB also feared a "qualified outsider" OC might demonstrate too much competence and exit Foxboro after a year or so when HC positions opened up.
I suppose BB also feared a "qualified outsider" might want a job title & salary commensurate to his duties



I have to believe a younger BB would have viewed "continuity" and "competence" differently.

It's an old man clown show up in Foxboro
The owner is running around jacked up on Viagra
And the coach is resembling old Joe Pa more and more every day

 

[Love The Drake]

I'll add....

1) One of the many narratives dished out by the tealeaf readers regarding BB's mind-numbing decision to install his freebie toady offensive "consultants" vs a qualified outsider was to avoid discontinuity during Young Corky's development.

From Detroit to Foxboro, Fat Matt's work is easy to quantify.



Poor Mac.
I wonder if Patricia has even considered that his offensive line coaching failures have absolutely submarined Mac's sophomore season?
(no chance)

2) BB also feared a "qualified outsider" OC might demonstrate too much competence and exit Foxboro after a year or so when HC positions opened up.
I suppose BB also feared a "qualified outsider" might want a job title & salary commensurate to his duties



I have to believe a younger BB would have viewed "continuity" and "competence" differently.

It's an old man clown show up in Foxboro
The owner is running around jacked up on Viagra
And the coach is resembling old Joe Pa more and more every day

Wow

 

[catent]

I'm pretty confident Belichick is going to name a starter today during his 12:45 presser (for at least this week, perhaps longer).

I have to think Belichick approached last week / Monday night as an evaluation game, wanting to give Jones the opportunity to respond but bring in Zappe if Jones' performance wasn't up-to-par. When Belichick said it was "all part of the plan", he likely neglected to mention that there were multiple plans and which plan(s) were implemented depended on circumstances. A chance to evaluate, test their mental toughness, and see how they responded. I can't imagine he intends to continue that way going forward, especially during a game, but I doubt during practice, either.

I also don't think there is much ongoing value provided by having an open competition/evaluation process at this stage in the season. Maybe they felt they could get away with it against the Bears and keep pace, but that's not an approach you want to take for multiple weeks during the regular season.

He has to know that having the uncertainty linger - and the media coverage that will generate, leading to a lot of questions that the players unfairly have to deal with - is not good for the team. Not to mention wanting one guy taking the vast majority of the starting reps for the purposes of consistency when it comes to snap cadence/exchange, handoffs, timing/rhythm with receivers, etc.

 

[Ununcle]

Brees, also listed at 6’, is the second most prolific passer of all time, so we shouldn’t count out Zappe just because of his height. I think Mac is the guy, but I find it ridiculous that people are now burying Zappe because of one bad half. He’s a rookie, I don’t know what people were expecting.

So much this. Short QBs have to get it over the lineman and I understand that. But really tall ones are also statues in the pocket and can't freaken move laterally. There's a happy medium and 6' something is not a deal breaker IMO.

 

[catent]

Brees, also listed at 6’, is the second most prolific passer of all time, so we shouldn’t count out Zappe just because of his height. I think Mac is the guy, but I find it ridiculous that people are now burying Zappe because of one bad half. He’s a rookie, I don’t know what people were expecting.

Yeah, Zappe's height in something to work with, but it's not an insurmountable obstacle by any means ... not even close. He looks taller (and bigger) than Brees ever did to my eye. If Brees was a true 6'0", it wouldn't surprise me at all if Zappe is 6'1".

The tallest Zappe's been measured is 6 foot, 5/8 inch. Someone posted earlier than Zappe gained a few fractions of an inch each successive time he was measured during the pre-draft process; the guy is 23, he could still be growing a bit.

Throw on some taller cleats + inserts, and he could be close to 6'2" on the field, which functionally raises his release point when throwing the ball.

 

[upstater1]

You have to watch the rest of the team. Mike Evans dropped a perfectly thrown pass that hit him in the hands. The Bucs OLine is missing Jensen and ATM isn’t very good. The WRs in general run poor routes and most of their woes on O can be traced back to Leftwich and the departure of Arians from the coaching staff. Add a failed HC in Bowles that just stands on the sideline and stares into space and you have a recipe for garbage. It’s never just one guy

I've watched him a lot. Dropping one pass doesn't mean Brady isn't severely limited. He is.

Look, he still has Mike Evans, Godwin, Cameron Brate, but he can't go anywhere but down the middle. Opposing teams are limiting the Bucs by taking away the middle and the run.

 

[jdlboot14]

For what we've seen, and the irreparable damage BB may have caused Mac - I wouldn't be surprised to see them roll with Zappe.
It's a short term fix, and a long term disaster.
Mac will certainly leave in the offseason, and Zappe is not a franchise QB. It will cause division in the locker room, and this season will be another complete waste of spinning wheels like 2020. If that happens, I fully expect and support firing BB after this year. It will be time for a whole new approach. If that happens - then keep Mac, and let him grow with a new HC/OC. I think he has the stuff.

 

[upstater1]

Finding OT hasn't been easy.

We brought Brown and Cannon.
We signed Wynne's option.

And we still need three OT's two starters and a solid swing backup.

I don't think it's easy but the Patriots have not expended a lot of resources here.

Trent Brown was a bargain basement signing. Cannon was just released.

In the last 11 drafts, we've expended only 1 pick in the first 2 rounds on a tackle. That was Wynn.

We've actually had good luck and good play dipping into the bargain basement at that position (Trent Brown, Marcus Cannon).

But I do think the draft is a good place to find one. Not necessarily free agency as we can see with Lael Collins and Orlando Brown.

 

[upstater1]

Sounds like your plan also needs a new pro bowl FS and Gunner.

I think we're good in the dbackfield

J Jones, Jack Jones, M Jones, Wade, Mills, Bryant, Phillips, Dugger, Peppers, Bledsoe

That's 10 guys.

Surely you can find a safety out of one of the CBs on the outs and Bledsoe / Phillips. Wade, Mills, Bryant, Bledsoe & Phillips will compete for that spot at FS. They'll likely upgrade it from what I've seen this year. McCourty has been beaten a lot

 

[signbabybrady]

For what we've seen, and the irreparable damage BB may have caused Mac - I wouldn't be surprised to see them roll with Zappe.
It's a short term fix, and a long term disaster.
Mac will certainly leave in the offseason, and Zappe is not a franchise QB. It will cause division in the locker room, and this season will be another complete waste of spinning wheels like 2020. If that happens, I fully expect and support firing BB after this year. It will be time for a whole new approach. If that happens - then keep Mac, and let him grow with a new HC/OC. I think he has the stuff.

That SOB fire him now

 

[notex]

For what we've seen, and the irreparable damage BB may have caused Mac - I wouldn't be surprised to see them roll with Zappe.
It's a short term fix, and a long term disaster.
Mac will certainly leave in the offseason, and Zappe is not a franchise QB. It will cause division in the locker room, and this season will be another complete waste of spinning wheels like 2020. If that happens, I fully expect and support firing BB after this year. It will be time for a whole new approach. If that happens - then keep Mac, and let him grow with a new HC/OC. I think he has the stuff.

A little over the top haha... If getting benched for making poor decisions once in your second year is "irreparable damage" then I'm pretty certain this guy doesn't have the intangibles to be an NFL starter. Personally, I think he has the right attitude and if he puts the work in can be a very good NFL QB.

Why would Mac leave in the offseason? he is under contract. What evidence do you have of conflict in the locker room? Mac is injured and BB thought we had a better chance of winning with a healthy QB...

BB is (arguably) the best head coach in the history of the NFL. So we go ahead and fire him because he sat an injured QB for one half of football?

Essentially you are saying fire the greatest coach of all time because Mac Jones makes him expendable. OK buddy.

 

[signbabybrady]

A little over the top haha... If getting benched for making poor decisions once in your second year is "irreparable damage" then I'm pretty certain this guy doesn't have the intangibles to be an NFL starter. Personally, I think he has the right attitude and if he puts the work in can be a very good NFL QB.

Why would Mac leave in the offseason? he is under contract. What evidence do you have of conflict in the locker room? Mac is injured and BB thought we had a better chance of winning with a healthy QB...

BB is (arguably) the best head coach in the history of the NFL. So we go ahead and fire him because he sat an injured QB for one half of football?

Essentially you are saying fire the greatest coach of all time because Mac Jones makes him expendable. OK buddy.

Reasonable takes are few and far between on here lately.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I don’t see why this cant be looked at in a positive light, unless they both end up sucking . We have 2 young qbs which each have shown more good than bad overall. They are both on rookie deals for the next few seasons. There’s plenty of time to sort out the situation for the long term. Yes, this season may be a bit at a disadvantage here because of the uncertainty but im fine with that. Most of us had this team at 9-10 wins at best and an early playoff exit if that. Our thinking should be long term.

Competition is good and despite monday’s bizarre handling, i trust Belichick to make the right choice long term. Nobody’s going to be handed the job, we know that. And I think its far too early to give up on either.

 

[203Pat]

I don’t see why this cant be looked at in a positive light, unless they both end up sucking . We have 2 young qbs which each have shown more good than bad overall. They are both on rookie deals for the next few seasons. There’s plenty of time to sort out the situation for the long term. Yes, this season may be a bit at a disadvantage here because of the uncertainty but im fine with that. Most of us had this team at 9-10 wins at best and an early playoff exit if that. Our thinking should be long term.

Competition is good and despite monday’s bizarre handling, i trust Belichick to make the right choice long term. Nobody’s going to be handed the job, we know that. And I think its far too early to give up on either.

At this point I don't know if Mac has shown more good than bad. He has now played in 22 games and has thrown 21 interceptions. He is also down in almost every statical category this year and now he has Zappe looking over his shoulder and a coach who just yanked him 1 quarter into his first game back in 4 weeks.

 

[PatsFan2]

At this point I don't know if Mac has shown more good than bad. He has now played in 22 games and has thrown 21 interceptions. He is also down in almost every statical category this year and now he has Zappe looking over his shoulder and a coach who just yanked him 1 quarter into his first game back in 4 weeks.

Yeah not many positives there for Mac 10.

 

[captain stone]

His next win he passes Hallas for 2nd all time. He's not going anywhere anytime soon.

And just why THE **** shouldn't he?!?

That was Then; this is Now... And our Now with gruff ol' Little Billy Notgoat at the top ****ing Sucks.

 

[ashley]

And just why THE **** shouldn't he?!?

That was Then; this is Now... And our Now with gruff ol' Little Billy Notgoat at the top ****ing Sucks.

Who do you want as our next coach: Steve B. , Matty P, Joe J., a college coach, a current offense or defensive coordinator? Let me see some names?

 

[captain stone]

My dad told me if a team has 2 quarterbacks, they have none...great point. I'm sure BB will go back to Mac and hopefully, he'll get back to where he was the first 3/4 of last year.

Why THE **** should he?!?

As for the defense it’s attitude and want to.
I don’t think it’s technique.
It’s a dog attitude.
I love Mccourty but he makes a business decision everytime he needs to make a big hit and he chooses not to make that hit.

Bingo... Dude's more concerned with flapping his lips in front of a camera than in doing his J.O.B... So ****ing sick of him now.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Who do you want as our next coach: Steve B. , Matty P, Joe J., a college coach, a current offense or defensive coordinator? Let me see some names?

Biggest question this franchise has is when Bill goes from the smartest guy in the room AND the best guy for the job. To just the smartest guy in the room. Fine line and we need it inspected every year I imagine.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

At this point I don't know if Mac has shown more good than bad. He has now played in 22 games and has thrown 21 interceptions. He is also down in almost every statical category this year and now he has Zappe looking over his shoulder and a coach who just yanked him 1 quarter into his first game back in 4 weeks.

This year hes struggled but its just a 3 game sample with him this year, plus the indy/@Mia games late last year were pretty bad. Other than that he’s been mostly fine. 88 rating overall which im ok with for a rookie/early 2nd season guy. He put up 3 50 burgers last year, against bad teams yeah but you don’t see that often from rookies, if ever.

The concern is of course the struggles are all very recent dating back to the end of last season so has he been figured out and/or struggling with the current staff. But its still early