Wirfs or Darrisaw?

[Huckleberry1]

The Pats could have gotten a blue chip OT in the second round this draft if they worked it a little better. It was widely accepted this draft was a tackle heavy draft and they had two staring them in the face even after trading back in Patrick Paul and Kingsley Suamataia.

They had enough ammo to select one then move back up and take Polk if they wanted, they would have had to sacrifice later picks that got them Wallace or Robinson... that's a reasonable exchange for a true left tackle stud prospect. If Wallace isn't starting at tackle and someone besides Robinson is starting in place of Cole Strange it will be more clear this was a mistake.

As far as Darrisaw or Wirfs forget it... the Vikings and Bucs have enough cap space to extend both after this season. Moreover it's bad business to trade for a player then pay him a massive contract when they could just use their first round pick next offseason to select one.

I think Polk is a better prospect than either of those 2 OL.

 

[Wozzy]

I think Polk is a better prospect than either of those 2 OL.

We'll see... time will determine that.

A good starting Left tackle is by default more important than a solid WR unless that WR turns into a superweapon... you betting Polk is going to become Davante Adams or Jordy Nelson?

If he just becomes Juju or Kendrick Bourne they could have found that type of production in later rounds. There's a chance Javon Baker is better than Polk, there's a good chance Demario Douglas is the most productive WR on this team. We'll see...

 

[Huckleberry1]

We'll see... time will determine that.

A good starting Left tackle is by default more important than a solid WR unless that WR turns into a superweapon... you betting Polk is going to become Davante Adams or Jordy Nelson?

If he just becomes Juju or Kendrick Bourne they could have found that type of production in later rounds. There's a chance Javon Baker is better than Polk, there's a good chance Demario Douglas is the most productive WR on this team. We'll see...

I’m just not as high on Paul and Suamataia as you are, and I think Polk is going to be a very good player. However I do agree that a good left tackle is more important than a good receiver.

 

[Wozzy]

I’m just not as high on Paul and Suamataia as you are, and I think Polk is going to be a very good player. However I do agree that a good left tackle is more important than a good receiver.

The Chiefs prioritized offensive line over Tyreek, the best and most explosive WR in the NFL... they won two more rings.

The Patriots won rings with slot receivers, an injured Gronk... and lost a ring with Randy Moss/Welker/Stallworth.

Devante Adam’s, Deandre Hopkins, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Brown and Stefon Diggs have no rings either.

Line play (both sides), outside of the QB position, is the most important position in football. Time has proven this.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The Chiefs prioritized offensive line over Tyreek, the best and most explosive WR in the NFL... they won two more rings.

The Patriots won rings with slot receivers, an injured Gronk... and lost a ring with Randy Moss/Welker/Stallworth.

Devante Adam’s, Deandre Hopkins, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Brown and Stefon Diggs have no rings either.

Line play (both sides), outside of the QB position, is the most important position in football. Time has proven this.

Lmao. I already agreed that OT is more important. I only wrote a couple of sentences, it’s not like you could have missed it.

I wanted Guyton or Mims to fall to them in the 2nd round, and I was hoping they would take Powers-Johnson when the first round tackles were gone. But I still think Polk was a good pick, and I think he’s going to have a better career than Paul or Suamataia.

 

[Wozzy]

Lmao. I already agreed that OT is more important. I only wrote a couple of sentences, it’s not like you could have missed it.

I couldn't?

 

[rkarp1]

I would take either Wirfs or Darrisaw, and I would pay them top of league OT money.
I would also trade 2 #1's. they are both young enough and fit into the timeline of Maye.

 

[JohnJH]

I would take either Wirfs or Darrisaw, and I would pay them top of league OT money.
I would also trade 2 #1's. they are both young enough and fit into the timeline of Maye.

That they will both receive top of the league money is a given. That it would take a 1st round pick is also probably a given. For the Patriots, as they'll probably be picking in the top 5 or no lower than top 10, a single 1st round pick is all I would give. But, you are correct in knowing how crucial having a solid LT will be to Maye's success.

 

[Wozzy]

I would take either Wirfs or Darrisaw, and I would pay them top of league OT money.
I would also trade 2 #1's. they are both young enough and fit into the timeline of Maye.

This ^ is a horrible way to do business in the NFL.

Wait until next offseason, use your 1st round pick on a tackle... this isn't hard.

When you trade high round draft picks, then have to pay a top of the market contract... you just paid twice for the same player.

 

[The Gr8est]

I would take either Wirfs or Darrisaw, and I would pay them top of league OT money.
I would also trade 2 #1's. they are both young enough and fit into the timeline of Maye.

The Chicago Bears approve of your post.

The Carolina Panthers, not so much.

 

[State]

The Chiefs prioritized offensive line over Tyreek, the best and most explosive WR in the NFL... they won two more rings.

The Patriots won rings with slot receivers, an injured Gronk... and lost a ring with Randy Moss/Welker/Stallworth.

Devante Adam’s, Deandre Hopkins, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Brown and Stefon Diggs have no rings either.

Line play (both sides), outside of the QB position, is the most important position in football. Time has proven this.

The Jets learned their lesson too. OT in first round of the 2024 draft when their fragile 40-something QB is sipping hallucinogenic tea somewhere in a galaxy far, far away instead of attending mandatory minicamp.

Picking QBs at the beginning of the draft hasn’t worked out with a weak-ass OL.

 

[State]

I would take either Wirfs or Darrisaw, and I would pay them top of league OT money.
I would also trade 2 #1's. they are both young enough and fit into the timeline of Maye.

Pay less for a one-year deal for David Bakhtiari. He’s medically cleared after missing all but 13 games over the last three years.

Of course, he’s looking to rejoin his buddy in NY.

 

[JohnJH]

Pay less for a one-year deal for David Bakhtiari. He’s medically cleared after missing all but 13 games over the last three years.

Of course, he’s looking to rejoin his buddy in NY.

Might be worth a shot.

 

[ahmed]

Having watched Wirfs while Brady was there, I cannot imagine there is a better T in the league. He is not going for anything short of 2 firsts unless it's a top 5 pick. Elite LTs are second only to QBs imo.

Not sure how long the Bucs will drag it out but a team will be paying Wirfs 30MM+ easily.

 

[ahmed]

Back to the original premise, what would I trade?

First I will admit I don’t watch a lot of Vikings or Bucs and don’t know if these guys are elite but let’s assume the are above average pro bowl (not all pro) caliber of players for the next 5 years.

A lot would depend on how they view Maye, they took a huge risk drafting him this year when they will have a top 3 pick in 2025.

Both the Vikings and Bucs should have top 10 picks next year.

If the Patriots like Maye I would trade the Patriots 2025 1st rounder for:
- the 2025 1st from the Vikings / Bucs (swap picks)
- 2026 1st rounder from Vikings / Bucs
- the LT mentioned above (Dirrasaw / Wirfs); must agree to a contract extension

Pats get franchise LT, plus two more 1st rounders; Vikings / Bucs get premium draft pick they can keep our trade for extra picks and receive value for their LTs (instead of just letting them walk)

Wirfs has played at all pro level from basically snap 1. If he stays healthy, he is 100% Canton bound and probably a 1st ballot.

 

[rkarp1]

This ^ is a horrible way to do business in the NFL.

Wait until next offseason, use your 1st round pick on a tackle... this isn't hard.

When you trade high round draft picks, then have to pay a top of the market contract... you just paid twice for the same player.

BS
this is what winning teams do
WIrfs or Darrisaw are proven OT's and can come in on day 1 and play at an all pro level
there is no guarantee where the Pats will pick next year, nor who will be available and if they will pan out, and how long it would take to pan out.

 

[cstjohn17]

Wirfs has played at all pro level from basically snap 1. If he stays healthy, he is 100% Canton bound and probably a 1st ballot.

I trust you! Dealing for him is a no brainer.

 

[dex13]

The Texans gave up

• 2020 first-round pick
• 2021 first-round pick
• 2021 second-round pick

for Laremy Tunsil and a 4th and 6th round pick.

Granted, Tunsil had a year left on his contract.

But this has to mean that a good LT is worth 2 #1s

I think that is a slightly bad comp since the general feeling was that the texans overpaid. They were desperate to have a solid OT so they could maximize the watson trade. Tried to go to instant favorites overnight. Pats don't need to overpay.

 

[JohnJH]

This is only the 2nd Thread that I've started. I'm quite pleased that it's gotten some participation and decent feedback. Thanks folks!

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Having watched Wirfs while Brady was there, I cannot imagine there is a better T in the league. He is not going for anything short of 2 firsts unless it's a top 5 pick. Elite LTs are second only to QBs imo.

Not sure how long the Bucs will drag it out but a team will be paying Wirfs 30MM+ easily.

Trent is probably slightly ahead but thats splitting hairs. It's definitely between them two any given Sunday.
Darrisaw isn't far behind although there's a small gap imo.

Either way youre not sniffing either without two 1st and 30+ per year.

Wirfs has played at all pro level from basically snap 1. If he stays healthy, he is 100% Canton bound and probably a 1st ballot.

Agreed he's very much on that level.


I know some would rather wait until the 2025 draft. In a perfect world, sure. That said there's no guarantee that a prospect will be near the level Wirfs was at coming out. Or that we'll be in a position to get him. Next years class looks good but there are real question marks even at the top imo. Campbell is a fine prospect with a few issues but reportedly has 33" arms. We all know how #'s can change (even from the SR Bowl to Combine!) So if they're sub < 33" I could see some teams not buying as a tackle.

Also it'll be interesting to see if Tyron Smith rebounds. Hes a HOF player on his last legs but still top 10 when healthy.