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Should the Patriots cut Tebow?

  • Cut Tebow

    Votes: 155 64.6%
  • Keep Tebow

    Votes: 85 35.4%

  • Total voters
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TB was passed over in the draft, but then how many NFL starts by him did it take to see the stupidity that was involved in that draft?

How many NFL starts has your dreamboat had?

Projecting NFL performance based on college exploits (or lack thereof) is often tricky.

Projecting NFL performance based relevant past and present NFL performance (or lack thereof) is less so.
 
Tom Brady was passed over by 32 teams a few times.

Is Tebow the next Brady? No, but what other teams do is not always an indicator of what the right choice is for the Patriots.


Tom Brady was passed over in the draft, no team would have passed on him after his first three years in the league.
 
Tom Brady was passed over by 32 teams a few times.

Is Tebow the next Brady? No, but what other teams do is not always an indicator of what the right choice is for the Patriots.

Dude, you couldn't have done any better on that picture. That's absolutely hilarious.
 
Tom Brady was passed over by 32 teams a few times.

Is Tebow the next Brady? No, but what other teams do is not always an indicator of what the right choice is for the Patriots.

That is true.

Although as I said before Tom Brady was not a viable QB prospect until his training camp in 2001. Based on his scouting report it's understandable why 32 teams passed on him again and again until the sixth round.
 
What's the over/under on how many hours it will take for this tread to die on Aug 31?
 
From the start, I've been intrigued by both what Tebow can offer and what it is that caused BB to sign Tebow. Now, despite my support for Tebow in this thread, I actually don't think Tebow can be an effective starting conventional QB in this league. However I do think there are possibilities to contribute either as a Patriot or on another team.

One aspect of Tebow's NFL career that does intrigue me and may be an explanation for BB's interest in him is his ability to score points both as a passer and runner. So I decided to do a little bit of quick research inspired by this passage:




Read More: Tim Tebow's success with Broncos can be easily explained with stats - Kerry J. Byrne - SI.com

I want you to ignore the reference to Tebow protecting the ball "better than any QB in football today" because firstly the article was written before Tebow went on an eight fumble stretch to end the 2011 season and secondly because I am only interested in the notion that he's responsible for more TDs than any other QB.

That would be interesting right? After all games are won on how many points are scored and conceded, not on yards passed or completion percentages or TD/INT ratios. They're all elements that point to a good QB but at the end of the day, it's points that win prizes, not passer ratings. I am not suggesting that a poor passer of the ball that is responsible for a lot of points is more desirable to an NFL team than a quality passer that also scores a lot of points albeit slighty less. Nor am I suggesting that being responsible for a lot of points necessarily qualifies one to be a starting QB. All I'm suggesting is, that if this true, then Tebow's ability to get the ball in the endzone might be arguably unique and something that interested Bill Belichick enough to explore the potential utility of that for the Pats. Obviously the latter is pure speculation but not an unreasonable one considering BB likes to find the winning edge in a number of ways.

So I decided to go through a number of today's QBs, get their total career touches (passing and running) and divide that by the number of passing and rushing TD's they were directly responsible for. This gives us a touches per TD number. One thing that needs to be pointed out is that I've not taken into account sample size in anyway. It's a straight up career touches/career passing and rushing TDs and the numbers do seem to suggest that smaller sample sizes benefit from this which obviously positively benefits Tebow but even so, the results are interesting.


Firstly, I looked at the greats and potential greats:

Tom Brady - 18.2 touches per TD
Peyton Manning - 18.0
Drew Brees - 19.3
Aaron Rodgers - 15.7

Next are some next level QBs:

Ben Roethlisberger - 19.90
Eli Manning - 21.7
Philip Rivers - 19.71
Matthew Stafford - 22.3

A running QB for reference:

Michael Vick - 23.4

And some athletic young QBs:

Cam Newton - 20.24
Colin Kaepernick - 19.2
RGIII - 19.0
Russell Wilson - 16.2
Jake Locker - 26.8

And finally a not so good QB that has had some success:

Mark Sanchez - 24.9

I also looked at a small sample of quality RB's (rushing and receiving) to see how they compared:

Adrian Peterson - 25.1
LaDanian Tomlinson - 23.4
Marshall Faulk - 26.4

Whilst there does seem to be a clear benefit to a smaller sample size there does seem to be an element of correlation of perceived success as a QB and a lesser TDs per TD number.

so how does Tebow compare? Pretty well with a 19.24 result, right up there with the best.

I want to make it absolutely clear that this doesn't represent anything beyond scoring productivity. It's not an attempt to equate Tebow with the top QBs in the game nor is it an attempt to try and pass off Tebow as a potential starting QB I do however think that Tebow is the exception to that correlation which is why I think he's unique.

I have a simple conclusion to draw from this and that is that Tebow has a fairly rare ability to ensure the ball gets in the endzone. That's an aspect of his game that I find very intriguing and if BB finds a way to manage that could be a way that he gets utilised effectively by BB. Whether he views him in that way or whether it's even possible to utilise Tebow within a limited 53 man roster are other matters that I'm not attempting to address here. All this is is an aspect of Tebow's game I find intriguing that you may or may not.

Having re-read it, the writing sucks for which I apologise. I've been up for 24 hours which explains the quality and also my reason for not re-writing

Congrats, you finally found a stat that rewards Tebow for all of his 3 and outs.
 
Congrats, you finally found a stat that rewards Tebow for all of his 3 and outs.

Yeah I think that summarizes the major flaw with that stat. Can't get many touches if your offense goes 3 and out....

And it "punishes" the QB for a ball control offense....
 
Is Tebow the next Brady? No, but what other teams do is not always an indicator of what the right choice is for the Patriots.

The Pats will soon embrace the assessment of the other teams in the form of a cut.
 
What's the over/under on how many hours it will take for this tread to die on Aug 31?

He may or may not get cut. Whichever it is, don't hold your breath waiting for it(the thread to die).
 
He may or may not get cut. Whichever it is, don't hold your breath waiting for it(the thread to die).

Serious debate has already died. Another 1/7, -1 yard effort and it will have died from stab wounds, gun shots, decapitation, and incineration.
 
Serious debate has already died. Another 1/7, -1 yard effort and it will have died from stab wounds, gun shots, decapitation, and incineration.


The stats don't do it justice, actually watching him play is far worse than the numbers alone. I don't think I have ever seen a worse passer in an NFL game of any kind. He isn't even close on most of those throws, and it doesn't matter how quick you get it out if it sails ten yards over the receivers head and straight into the safety's hands.
 
This.

Tebow fans need to understand that this is the New England Patriots. It isn't some crappy Bronco team, or the Jets, or the Jaguars. We aren't happy here with a play off game. The Patriots chase Superbowls. Every single season we chase Superbowls. At this very moment, I firmly believe the Patriots are going to win the 2013 Superbowl. I also think they're going to repeat in 2014. If they don't, I'll consider it a mistake, an underachievement, a horrible fluke.

You think the Denver season was some spectacular success, and for Denver, and for other teams, maybe it was and maybe it would be.

We would consider that a depressing failure. Denver 2011 was so well below the Patriot bar and standard that we would all be in disbelief.

There is no room on this team for a free rider. God forbid we lose some defensive players to injury where we lack depth, Tebow is going to look real worthless sitting on the sideline with a clipboard.

I'm not against Tebow the person, but a lot of the Tebow fanatics just want him on the team as a vessel for Tebowmania. I just think that's bad mojo. I don't want people who were with the Jets last year, and Denver the year before that, secretly praying for Brady to get hurt while watching our football games.

We're heading into the 13th chapter of a sports epic we've been following for a long time, with hopefully 5 more chapters to go.

I don't want any of it ruined by an alien influx of manufactured Tebowmania

The more I read the more I sour on this whole idea and hope we just cut him after the final preseason game.

I feel like Tebow fans will behave and agree he should be a back up... until he makes the team... then around week 5 when he's been AWOL from TV cameras, will start in with their wildcat nonsense, and their "ideas for incorporating Tebow into the mix."

You're all about Tebow and not about the Patriots.

I just don't think anyone wants to deal with it all season long.

I'd like to see you say that to Belichick's face.

If he didn't want Tebow here, Tebow wouldn't be here.
 
Don't get me wrong. That's what I see. Just waiting for the other cleat to drop.

It was dreadful, and a little bit obscene. You remember when Gintz fans were all ashamed about Jared Lorenzen? I was rooting for that tub o lard because he looked like crap, but could throw a serviceable ball. I wanted some fat out of shape guy to make the rest of us think we could get off the couch, put down the Madden controller, and make an NFL team.

Tebow's like the anti-Lorenzen. Looks like an athlete, looks like a quarterback, but just isn't.

I've been surprised and p.o.d by the Pats decisions before though, starting with "I'm not sure we kept the right one" when it was the Drew/Tom choice. I mean, who hasn't seen a young kid mainly game-manage through the season, showing good accuracy, and turn it up a notch in a super bowl?

"What Tom Brady just did gave me goosebumps" too, against a Rams team that (we tend to forget) was scary good. But if it's that or a seasoned proven winner (by Pats' standards of the day)... wasn't sure.

This sure ain't the Brady-Bledsoe decision... I only mention it because that was the beginning of my being proven wrong by Belichick on personnel decisions. Soon thereafter came "this team hates their coach" after the Milloy cut... and the Pats rolled on. Then there was "locker room cancer" Corey Dillon and "cancer II" Randy Moss. There were misses as well as hits, and in retrospect, rehabbing proven winners isn't as tough as remaking a guy who looks like a pro-level loser.

But at this point, I'm like, "Hey, if Belichick sees it, I'll give it until he doesn't."

Of course there were reports like this before the surprise signing (although this one is actually from just after the signing...) which makes me think it's a McDaniels move, and 8/31 is likely Tebow's date of departure.
 
I'd like to see you say that to Belichick's face.

If he didn't want Tebow here, Tebow wouldn't be here.


I guess that means that Ochocinco, Haynesworth, and Chad jackson were all still good players as well, after all Belichick had them on the roster for a little while.


Unless of course you are making the most recent argument for Tebow, which is that he isn't any good but they should still keep him.
 
Serious debate has already died. Another 1/7, -1 yard effort and it will have died from stab wounds, gun shots, decapitation, and incineration.

Good point. You haven't seen too many Tebow threads have you? They can go forever. A Mod's padlock is sometimes the only way to end it.
 
Who cares? The Denver Broncos thought so little of Tim Tebow that he was traded, regardless of this so called production.

Where was this so called production with the New York Jets? Why did Tim Tebow lose out to Mark Sanchez for the starting quarterback job for the New York Jets?

Where has been this so called production in two preseason games against second and third stringers, no less?

If you don't care, why even bother replying?
 
Good point. You haven't seen too many Tebow threads have you? They can go forever. A Mod's padlock is sometimes the only way to end it.

No doubt. There are current Tebow threads over at JI and even at Denverbroncos.com and theorangemane.

And no, it isn't wandering hordes of Tebowites who are posting in them
 
I guess that means that Ochocinco, Haynesworth, and Chad jackson were all still good players as well, after all Belichick had them on the roster for a little while.

Touche.

Bill certainly hasn't been right all the time about players he "wants" to be here...
 
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