What's wrong with the Chiefs?

[sb1]

LOL

 

[XLIX]

I enjoy watching the chiefs lose.
So much for their 6 or 7 championships they were predicting

An awful lot of teams have won 1 in a row.

When Seattle won SB48, it was the start of a dynasty.
When Denver won SB50, it was the start of a dynasty.
When Philly won SB52, it was the start of a dynasty.
When KC won SB54, it was the start of a dynasty.

 

[BobDigital]

If Mahomes doesn’t win this year why is it guaranteed he’s winning another. Kelce will be a year older I don’t care how good Hill is Kelce is too important and than that Mahomes money kicks in. He’ll always have a bad to average defense at best and if Kelce slows down it’s over meanwhile Buffalo and the chargers are getting better by the game. Allen/Herbert can go toe to toe with Mahomes

Let's step in our time machine as best we can and skip forward 4 years. Rodgers and Brady are retired. The QB play in the league has more good to decent quantity but less top tier quality. You mention Allen and Herbert going toe to toe, But can they or anyone go toe to toe when those two are gone? Allen maybe. It is very possible Allen is a HOF tier QB who can be consistent and snap defeat away from a guy like Mahomes when it's down to the wire. But can anyone else?

We know what Lamar is. We know what Prescott is. Wilson seems to be regressing to a degree. He can put up great numbers but it hasn't led to wins when it matters for a while. He may well be the closest to Mahomes in a few years though. Murray to me is a good QB but i have serious reservations about his longevity due to size and style, Mayfield is good, but he's not THAT GUY. I see a future where there is Mahomes and a gap between him and every other QB unless someone steps up to that level. Allen might be able to. But he also seems prone to lay an egg more often than you'd like for a guy whose trying to be an elite QB.

 

[1960Pats]

I think he means that you do not get your pick of the litter anymore when you win every year. Its easier to get a top player in the first 5 picks than in the bottom 5.

It certainly is easier to get better players at the top (unless you're the jete) but the error comes with the thought that getting a later pick hurts in every round. The truth is that having an earlier pick gets you that one player advantage only in the first round. After that the team with the later pick chooses earlier each pick after that. Look at it in numbers and you'll see what I mean. Let's use the 15th and 30th picks.
Here's how it would go;
15-30-47-62-79-94-111-126-143-158-175-190-207-222

And once the first pick is taken at 15 this is what it would look like
30-47-62-79-94-111-126-143-158-175-190-207-222

That shows quite clearly that the team with the worst pick is now picking 17 spots ahead on each round with an extra pick at the end.

 

[Pats1971]

It certainly is easier to get better players at the top (unless you're the jete) but the error comes with the thought that getting a later pick hurts in every round. The truth is that having an earlier pick gets you that one player advantage only in the first round. After that the team with the later pick chooses earlier each pick after that. Look at it in numbers and you'll see what I mean. Let's use the 15th and 30th picks.
Here's how it would go;
15-30-47-62-79-94-111-126-143-158-175-190-207-222

And once the first pick is taken at 15 this is what it would look like
30-47-62-79-94-111-126-143-158-175-190-207-222

That shows quite clearly that the team with the worst pick is now picking 17 spots ahead on each round with an extra pick at the end.

Wait, I'm confused....(Not hard to do) If a team picks 2nd overall. In the next round without any trades, they are going to pick 2nd overall again which is 34th. If a team picks 25th in the first round, they do not pick again till like 57th. So that means Team A picked two picks higher than they did.

 

[scott99]

Rarely has a team lost the Superbowl and gotten back the next year and won.

I believe Patriots were one of the only few to do it.

Pats were the first team to lose a Super Bowl, then win it the next year, in over 40 years. I believe it was the Dolphins who lost to Dallas in 1971 and then won the SB in 1972. Dallas did it the year before Miami did it. Dallas lost to the Baltimore Colts in 1970, and then beat Miami the next year. So it happened two times in 3 years, then it hadn’t happened in 46 years.

 

[Lavictoire]

Thankfully the Pats and Brady denied two possible Super Bowls rings to Mahomes. I bet Mahomes cant wait for Brady to retire already. Garopollo could have denied him too.

 

[VectorPrime]

Thankfully the Pats and Brady denied two possible Super Bowls rings to Mahomes. I bet Mahomes cant wait for Brady to retire already. Garopollo could have denied him too.

Mahomes needs to worry about winning his division before winning another super bow.

 

[Guts]

Mahomes will be fine and he will be a force to be reckoned with. I'd be worried about Hill and Kelce. They're not getting younger and defenses already know how to defend Hill where as Kelce is 32.

 

[XLIX]

It certainly is easier to get better players at the top (unless you're the jete) but the error comes with the thought that getting a later pick hurts in every round. The truth is that having an earlier pick gets you that one player advantage only in the first round. After that the team with the later pick chooses earlier each pick after that. Look at it in numbers and you'll see what I mean. Let's use the 15th and 30th picks.
Here's how it would go;
15-30-47-62-79-94-111-126-143-158-175-190-207-222

And once the first pick is taken at 15 this is what it would look like
30-47-62-79-94-111-126-143-158-175-190-207-222

That shows quite clearly that the team with the worst pick is now picking 17 spots ahead on each round with an extra pick at the end.

You have to literally eliminate a team’s first round pick to make your point. That’s little more than simply playing make believe.

I can do the same and take away the black team’s first round pick. Now the red team has 15 and 47 before the black team even gets a pick at 62. Then the red team is 15 picks ahead in every round the rest of the way.

 

[Turkamu]

Rodgers has choked so many god dang times in the playoffs, 2014 NFC championship being a notable exception.

I would argue that 2014 was the biggest choke of them all. His D gave him the Ball at the Sea 23, 30 and their own 44 in the first half. That game should've been over at that point but it was "only" 16:0 because Rodgers himself got intercepted twice. 19/34 178 yards 1 TD 2 INTs isn't exactly glorious. Yes he got them in FG range to tie the game at the end, but they only managed 2 FGs in the second half. Sure, if they just execute the Onside Kick correctly, they still win but the game should have been a blowout.

 

[Triumph]

Thankfully the Pats and Brady denied two possible Super Bowls rings to Mahomes. I bet Mahomes cant wait for Brady to retire already. Garopollo could have denied him too.

The Chiefs are paper Champs and kind of a fraud.

They are 0 - 4 vs HOF QBs and HCs in the post season.

L x 2 vs 2018/2020 Brady
L vs 2018 BB
L vs 2020 Arians - not a fan of him, but the Super Bowl win punched his ticket to Canton.

I dont see a HOFer in this post season bunch. Maybe Allen someday.

W vs 2018 Riech and Luck
W vs 2019 BOB and Watson
W vs 2019 Vrabel and Tannehill
W vs 2019 Shannahan and Jimmy Baby
W vs 2020 Stephanski and Mayfield
W vs 2020 Mcdermott and Allen

 

[Gumby]

It certainly is easier to get better players at the top (unless you're the jete) but the error comes with the thought that getting a later pick hurts in every round. The truth is that having an earlier pick gets you that one player advantage only in the first round. After that the team with the later pick chooses earlier each pick after that. Look at it in numbers and you'll see what I mean. Let's use the 15th and 30th picks.
Here's how it would go;
15-30-47-62-79-94-111-126-143-158-175-190-207-222

And once the first pick is taken at 15 this is what it would look like
30-47-62-79-94-111-126-143-158-175-190-207-222

That shows quite clearly that the team with the worst pick is now picking 17 spots ahead on each round with an extra pick at the end.

Somewhat true.

But you ignore the other advantage that comes at each break in days between rounds. The team picking at the top of the round gets to reset their board and then know that without needing to trade I can get x player.

the team in spot 32 on day 2 or day 3, still has to wait for 31 other teams to make their decisions. or jump around in the hectic time when 5 consecutive teams are ON THE CLOCK right in front of them and they don’t know if they have 2 minutes or 20 minutes to figure out what they are doing.

 

[venecol]

They're a potential AFC foe and it's a significant issue worthy of discussion since it does shift the balance of power in the Conference.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

The Chiefs are paper Champs and kind of a fraud.

They are 0 - 4 vs HOF QBs and HCs in the post season.

L x 2 vs 2018/2020 Brady
L vs 2018 BB
L vs 2020 Arians - not a fan of him, but the Super Bowl win punched his ticket to Canton.

I dont see a HOFer in this post season bunch. Maybe Allen someday.

W vs 2018 Riech and Luck
W vs 2019 BOB and Watson
W vs 2019 Vrabel and Tannehill
W vs 2019 Shannahan and Jimmy Baby
W vs 2020 Stephanski and Mayfield
W vs 2020 Mcdermott and Allen

I think Reid had this stigma attached to him from the Phily days too. Couldn’t win the big one. That sf team in 2019 was damn good outside of jg’s choking in the big moments

 

[1960Pats]

Wait, I'm confused....(Not hard to do) If a team picks 2nd overall. In the next round without any trades, they are going to pick 2nd overall again which is 34th. If a team picks 25th in the first round, they do not pick again till like 57th. So that means Team A picked two picks higher than they did.

Once the team with the 2nd pick gets that player the team at 25 gets each player 9 picks sooner from then on and gets the last pick. IOW, the advantage to the team with the 2nd pick was just that one player.

 

[1960Pats]

Pats were the first team to lose a Super Bowl, then win it the next year, in over 40 years. I believe it was the Dolphins who lost to Dallas in 1971 and then won the SB in 1972. Dallas did it the year before Miami did it. Dallas lost to the Baltimore Colts in 1970, and then beat Miami the next year. So it happened two times in 3 years, then it hadn’t happened in 46 years.

For the youngsters, The 1970 Dolphins cheated to get Don Shula and were fined a loss of their 1st round pick and were fined a record amount at the time. The reason I know this, or even care, is that Shula was the one who started the asterisk talk for the Pats in 2007. Oh the irony that they're 17-0 season is tainted.

 

[masterbouncer]

The Chiefs are paper Champs and kind of a fraud.

They are 0 - 4 vs HOF QBs and HCs in the post season.

L x 2 vs 2018/2020 Brady
L vs 2018 BB
L vs 2020 Arians - not a fan of him, but the Super Bowl win punched his ticket to Canton.

I dont see a HOFer in this post season bunch. Maybe Allen someday.

W vs 2018 Riech and Luck
W vs 2019 BOB and Watson
W vs 2019 Vrabel and Tannehill
W vs 2019 Shannahan and Jimmy Baby
W vs 2020 Stephanski and Mayfield
W vs 2020 Mcdermott and Allen

why are you counting 2 games as 4 loses?
they lost in 2018 vs BB/Brady and 2020 vs Brady (and Arians was attending on the sideline as well...)
they were one real QB away to lose against SF, but Fraudoppolo choked when it counted most so Chiefs got away with the win there


bit of a media hype with how Mahomes plays but thats what you have had with Rodgers and he only won 1

 

[borg]

Once the team with the 2nd pick gets that player the team at 25 gets each player 9 picks sooner from then on and gets the last pick. IOW, the advantage to the team with the 2nd pick was just that one player.

Really....
What about in the last round?

 

[VectorPrime]

Maybe it was Andy Reid and not McNabb who was behind the endless playoff disappointments all along.