What's Edelman worth?

[Brady6]

Personally I think Welker is 1 and done in Denver especially if they win the SB. They might make a run at Edelman.

 

[Kontradiction]

What more do you want Julian to do? He was 4th in the league in receptions and 21st in yards. Oh yeah he was our #4 WR in preseason. Those are elite numbers and his 2nd half of the year was exceptional. I thought he got better and better each game. Haters keep hating

You need work on your trolling.

By your receptions metric, Edelman was a better WR than: Brandon Marshall, A.J. Green, Dez Bryant, Demaryius Thomas, Alshon Jeffery, Josh Gordon, and Calvin Johnson.

So yeah, Edelman was really a WR3 who was forced into a WR1 role due to all of the factors I listed earlier.

 

[SalemPats]

You need work on your trolling.

By your receptions metric, Edelman was a better WR than: Brandon Marshall, A.J. Green, Dez Bryant, Demaryius Thomas, Alshon Jeffery, Josh Gordon, and Calvin Johnson.

So yeah, Edelman was really a WR3 who was forced into a WR1 role due to all of the factors I listed earlier.

He's going to be as productive as those guys next year, watch and see. He's not as dominant as them, but he'll make the pro bowl. If this was your boy Amendola you would be on cloud nine.

Tough day for you Kontra

 

[Kontradiction]

You're right, why do we need a guy who finishes 4th in receptions and 21st in total yards (and top 5 in the second half in both categories) as our #1 WR. That makes no sense, production is overrated!

:bricks:

The point has flown completely over your head. I'm not, nor did I ever, say boot him out of town. What I'm saying is to give him WR3 money, then work/hope to improve WR1 and WR2. Edelman is not either of those. But he is a very solid third option in the WR corps. If you have him as your WR3, Dobson improves enough to play split-end, and the team gets a quality flanker, you've got yourself a very solid WR corps. With a healthy Gronk and a good running game, you're looking at a dominant offense. If Edelman is what you have at WR1, the season will end next year the same way it has the past two.

 

[SalemPats]

The point has flown completely over your head. I'm not, nor did I ever, say boot him out of town. What I'm saying is to give him WR3 money, then work/hope to improve WR1 and WR2. Edelman is not either of those. But he is a very solid third option in the WR corps. If you have him as your WR3, Dobson improves enough to play split-end, and the team gets a quality flanker, you've got yourself a very solid WR corps. With a healthy Gronk and a good running game, you're looking at a dominant offense. If Edelman is what you have at WR1, the season will end next year the same way it has the past two.

You have a thick head. He's a #1/#2 WR. He produced this year like an elite WR. He got better as the season went on and I'm confident he'll do it again. Lets add a compliment to him not replace him. Just because you loved Danny Amendola doesn't mean you have to hate on Edelman. A true fan would appreciate what Edelman has done the past few years for us.

 

[Kontradiction]

He's going to be as productive as those guys next year, watch and see. He's not as dominant as them, but he'll make the pro bowl. If this was your boy Amendola you would be on cloud nine.

Tough day for you Kontra

What makes you think he's going to be as productive as those guys next year when, at times, he was the only viable option in the passing game for Brady this year and still wasn't as productive as any of those guys listed?

 

[SalemPats]

What makes you think he's going to be as productive as those guys next year when, at times, he was the only viable option in the passing game for Brady this year and still wasn't as productive as any of those guys listed?

Look at the last 8 weeks (including the playoffs), his numbers are as good as anyone's. What I've seen is a guy who runs great routes and has great hands. I've seen him this year as the season wore on develop his route running into being a great YAC guy. Early in the season he was catching a 7 yard out and it was a 7 yard play, now he's converting it into first downs. Those guys are hard to find. I thought last year Lloyd would do that and Amendola would do that this year. We were a bit spoiled by Wes and I think the last 2 years we've seen that WRs are not just pawns. Edelman has shown that he's a horse. I believe he will have another great season.

 

[upstater1]

Patriots need another WR in FA for sure. Aren't we sick of receivers going only over the middle? I know Dobson should be improved, but we need 1 more. You can't let an entire season rely on Dobson.

 

[Kontradiction]

You have a thick head. He's a #1/#2 WR.

For one, you're now moving the goal posts. For another, he's not a WR1 or a WR2. This should be obvious to you based on the way the team used him at the beginning of season before Amendola did what he always does and got injured.

He produced this year like an elite WR. He got better as the season went on and I'm confident he'll do it again.

He didn't produce like an elite WR at all. If you think he did, you might want to check your definition of "elite". What he did produce like was the only WR experienced in the offense that could have been trusted to run the right routes and get open. So he was force fed the ball as an option in the passing game that he isn't meant to be.

Lets add a compliment to him not replace him.

This is what I've been saying the entire thread. You're under the mistaken impression that he's a #1 option when he's not. Dobson, if he stays healthy and works at it, can be either a viable #1 or a very good #2. If he's a WR2, then the team will have to figure out if they have a WR1 already on staff or if they need to draft one or make a move in FA. Compliment Edelman as the WR3 he is.

Just because you loved Danny Amendola doesn't mean you have to hate on Edelman. A true fan would appreciate what Edelman has done the past few years for us.

Take a look at my signature. Then take a look at the posts I made when the Welker trade happened and since. Then look at my opening statement in this post with regard to Amendola. Then understand that I don't "love Danny Amendola". I'm rooting for him because he's a Patriot and his contract means he's here for a while. But I would have rather had Welker if it came down to me.

Look at the last 8 weeks (including the playoffs), his numbers are as good as anyone's. What I've seen is a guy who runs great routes and has great hands. I've seen him this year as the season wore on develop his route running into being a great YAC guy. Early in the season he was catching a 7 yard out and it was a 7 yard play, now he's converting it into first downs. Those guys are hard to find. I thought last year Lloyd would do that and Amendola would do that this year. We were a bit spoiled by Wes and I think the last 2 years we've seen that WRs are not just pawns. Edelman has shown that he's a horse. I believe he will have another great season.

Yes, everything you would like to have in a WR3.

Now, I've come to the conclusion that you're...

A) Very young
2) Very drunk
3) Very high
4) Very pissed off at me for making fun of your dumb McDaniels thread
5) All of the above

Either way, I'm done with you.

 

[supafly]

So yeah, Edelman was really a WR3 who was forced into a WR1 role due to all of the factors I listed earlier.

What makes you think he's going to be as productive as those guys next year when, at times, he was the only viable option in the passing game for Brady this year and still wasn't as productive as any of those guys listed?

Why this is going over so many heads here is beyond me.

It's more than obvious that Edelman wasn't on any of the radars of the 32 GMs around the league prior to this year, unless it was as a bit/role player with special teams interests.

He is going to attract more attention from the (basically) zero attention in the past, which isn't hard to do considering how low the bar was set, but no one in their right mind is going to suddenly think "I'm going to go out and pay him 6-7 million dollars per year now, after one good season when NE and Brady had the worst receiving corps in 12+ yrs."

He will obviously warrant a salary that's in the 3-4m-maybe even 4.5 m range AAV speaking, but I think a lot of GMs are much smarter than some of the thinking going on with Julian Edelman's projections around here at the moment. Hell, Wes Welker was a PROVEN receiver who hardly ever missed a game, and consistently put up 6 seasons of 100+ receptions, and his high wasn't near what people thought.

Personally, I feel that many GMs are going to look at the slot market and realize that all of Cruz, Welker, and Amendola were overpaid and overvalued as it was already last offseason. If people want to argue the fact that someone may overpay and offer Edelman a pact worth 75% of Amendola/Welker's recent pacts, then I can understand that, but this thinking that he's somehow going to command top dollar as this 6-7-8 million dollar receiver is practically ridiculous--at least in my opinion anyway.

 

[supafly]

Patriots need another WR in FA for sure. Aren't we sick of receivers going only over the middle? I know Dobson should be improved, but we need 1 more. You can't let an entire season rely on Dobson.

From your lips to Belichick's ears, upstater1.

I agree that Dobson should improve and stay healthy, but I don't want to have to rely on that happening, and even if/when it does, it probably isn't going to be at the level that we'd need it to be in only year #2 anyway.

Whatever happens with the Edelman/Sanders/Amendola (possibly with a combination of Moe/Boyce) situation as it pertains to the slot position, I think that we definitely need to address the improvement with one more realistic outside receiver. That could be physical, experienced, speed/deeper threat, or traits of all of the above, but it should be explored for sure; and I'm not talking about a Larry Fitzgerald pipe dream either.

Of course the alternative option could be to explore the acquisition of another "real" TE who can contribute in the passing game, whether that be via FA or the draft, but one way or another we need more reasonable passing targets.

 

[BrickPat]

Pats can deal with that.

thing is. Would someone like Emmanuel Sanders interest them more. I presume he's looking at about 5 per aswell.

I am curious about this too. I'd be very happy if the Pats signed Sanders but I'm assuming he'd be used more as an outside WR, they still would have to replace JE. I cringe at the thought of relying on Ras I Amendola taking his place. Next season we may have Sanders being the only reliable target (like JE was) while Amendola is again absent or ineffective.

 

[RIpats88]

for all the talk about amendola being injury prone...this was Edelmans first healthy season since what? his rookie year.

I dont see him getting big offers from anyone. because

1. A large part of his production had to do with lack of weapons. I mean except for the stretch of games where we had Gronk, brady was basically only throwing to Edelman

2. He still hasnt proven he can be a durable player. One healthy season does not all of a sudden throw the past years away.

now, if I had to choose between Edelman or Sanders its a tough choice because

1. Edelman we KNOW can produce here. Sanders is a wildcard

2. BUT sanders is more of a need as an outside receiver which has been a weakness of the pats. and lets be honest. If the welker-edelman experiment showed anything its that the pats can throw anyone in the slot and they can produce.

dobson/Sanders on the outside, Amendola in the slot with Gronk is still a pretty formidable offense. maybe we can get both?

 

[Crononaut]

Edelman had a great year, but I think $4M a year is the right amount, and anything over $5M is ridiculous. I'd probably go 4-5 years for $16-$20M, $10M guaranteed, and backload his deal so his salary the first two years is under $2M but give him a $4-5M signing bonus to amortize over the life of the contract.

Edelman's numbers are the definition of deceptive though. He stepped up this year amidst a sea of injured and novice players and proved he is a viable NFL receiver. But if BB is planning on him being our number one receiver next year, forget Christmas, our goose will be cooked in the preseason.

The person of the shoes he filled, Welker, is a perfect example: when he was with us, our top receiver, number 2/3 receiving option. With the Broncos, number 3 receiver, number 4 receiving option.

If one of our rookies steps up and we get another good outside threat, a combination of Amendola/Edelman in the slot could be extremely effective for us. I'd expect Edelman's yardage and reception totals to go down but his impact plays and TD count to go up.

I also really like the idea of having two starting-quality receivers at the most physically demanding receiver position.

 

[PittPatriot]

Personally I think Welker is 1 and done in Denver especially if they win the SB. They might make a run at Edelman.

Can you imagine?
They win the SB.
They steal Edelman.
He becomes a star with Manning...and they win ANOTHER SB? I might stop watching football forever.

 

[Brady6]

Eric Decker is an UFA after this season, and Demaryius and Julius Thomas are both UFAs after 2014. They'll have to worry about locking up their own receivers before they even consider adding a guy like Edelman. As it stands, my guess is that Welker will be a cap casualty before the end of his contract.

Moreno is a free agent this season as well and they have Von Miller who they'll need to lock up. Elway better hope they get the ring this season because his long term cap planning is not so good.

 

[Brady6]

If we resign Edelman there is not going to be any free agent wide receiver signings other than a Kenny Britt type on a prove it deal for short money. We are not going to sign Edelman, Amendola, and Sanders to $4-$6 million per contracts each. I know you might not believe me but there are more positions on a football team than just X and Y WR spots.

 

[Brady6]

The problem we will run into with Edelman is that we set the market ourselves with Amendola in 2013. I don’t know if Edelman and his agent are going to take kindly to the Patriots offering Edelman a contract that is less than they gave Amendola.

• Edelman enters this free agent period having entered the NFL 5 years ago (2009) with 174 catches, 67.18% catch ratio, 1770 yards, 10.2 average, 10 touchdowns, 64 punt returns, 1317 return yards, 3 return touchdowns, 1 season with 100+ catches and 1 season with 1000+ yards.
• Amendola entered free agency last off season having entered the NFL 5 years prior (2008) with 196 catches, 66.89% catch ration, 1726 yards, 8.8 average, 7 touchdowns, 53 punt returns, 947 return yards, 0 return touchdowns, 0 seasons with 100+ catches and 0 seasons with 1000+ yards.

I think you have to keep in mind that Edelman is going to have an agent that is going to leverage that the Patriots already went outside of their organization and attempted to fill the slot position with Amendola and he was not able to produce and if they want to take that same risk again than go right ahead but his client (Edelman) is not going to play on a team with a player who is older and less effective for less money than that player.

 

[everlong]

I hate to say it but Edelman is going to want Amendola dollars and to be honest he earned it more than Amendola did. Because they're stuck with Amendola I can't see the Patriots spending 10M/year on slot receivers. Granted Edelman does have the dual value of being one of the league's best punt returners. Welker is going to be a cap casualty out in Denver. I bet the Broncos sign him to a backloaded contract with a nice size bonus so they can maximize what remains of Manning's career.

 

[Bhelmet]

Edelman will be an interesting situation. He has every right to demand more than what the Pats paid for Amendola - and MAY hold the Pats to that standard. Some other team MAY offer him that, but I hope they realize this guy has had ONE healthy year. Yes, he had a couple PROMISING years, but they ended early with injury or injuries. He is a PURE gamble - whether it is the Pats or some other team. There will be more interest in him, but I am not so sure it will be for BIG bucks. Edelman SHOWED his potential, but has he TRULY gotten past his injury-filled past?