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Ochmed Jones

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For everybody who is not for some reason Iliad/Odyssey-obsessed:

Odysseus was, like all the best kings of Ancient Greece, pledged to defend the marriage of Menolaus and Helen. So Paris comes in and YOINK, off Helen goes to Troy. But Odysseus wants to evade the draft, as it were, because has a baby son, Telemachus, and besides, isn't into it.

When Menolaus dispatches Palamedes to bring him back and make him go to the war, he pulls a Corporal Klinger and bucks for a section 8. When Palamedes arrives, Odysseus is in the field with an ox and an ass yoked to the same plow. This is supposed to prove he's insane, because the mismatched animals would plow crookedly.

Palamedes gets baby Telemachus and puts him in front of the plow, Odysseus stops plowing, and he is proven to be sane.

Clearly Ochmed is intimating that... well actually, nothing like this. It just reminded me of it because of all the talk about craziness and the ox and the ditch and Belichick and Groh both working on the draft board somehow.

Do we think we know the lines of authority there? It sure looks like Groh is the man, for all the public visibility/explaining. But the other possibility is, for all we know, BB is fully in charge, and Groh is the Face of the Draft.

Has anybody said, here's how the decisions work in case of a disagreement? Is there a Wargames-style "Turn your key, sir!" scenario?

Interestingly wolf gets a lot of press in 2021 and we have a great draft!

Groh gets a lot of press in 2022 and wolf gets nothing. Yet our draft is universally panned without seeing any players on the field.
 

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Clearly Ochmed is intimating that... well actually, nothing like this. It just reminded me of it because of all the talk about craziness and the ox and the ditch and Belichick and Groh both working on the draft board somehow.
Clearly,VomitusIndecipherabilisFromVirginia is imitating Gregor Samsa in Kafka's "Metamorphosis"...

" One morning, upon awakening from agitated dreams, Gregor Samsa found himself, in his bed, transformed into a monstrous bug".
 

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Interestingly wolf gets a lot of press in 2021 and we have a great draft!

Groh gets a lot of press in 2022 and wolf gets nothing. Yet our draft is universally panned without seeing any players on the field.
So... the press likes Wolf and does not like Groh? Or just correlation without implying causation... yet? (dum dum DUMMMMM!)
 

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Captain, I haven't seen your grade.

Are we looking at an F?

E, and Not for Effort.

Strange is a good player, and in every mock draft I tried to grab him...at 85...unless SeaBass Jr Raimann were still available at 54... But he's not 25 or ANY picks better than Raimann...or 56 picks better than Sean Ryan...or 108 better than Zach Tom.
No ****ing need to take him there...The next OL drafted was Jurgens at 51 but he's a Center and Philthy was drafting him strictly as Kelce's replacement... Next was Goedeke by TB at 57, after the Pats would've made their 2nd-round pick already...

Everybody else was also over-drafted, with better prospects at their positions still available, especially at WR, and Most Especially at WR after the trade-up; and others in some cases should not have been drafted at all: the second Jones, the second RB, the QB, the defensive lineman...
 

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E, and Not for Effort.

Strange is a good player, and in every mock draft I tried to grab him...at 85...unless SeaBass Jr Raimann were still available at 54... But he's not 25 or ANY picks better than Raimann...or 56 picks better than Sean Ryan...or 108 better than Zach Tom.
No ****ing need to take him there...The next OL drafted was Jurgens at 51 but he's a Center and Philthy was drafting him strictly as Kelce's replacement... Next was Goedeke by TB at 57, after the Pats would've made their 2nd-round pick already...

Everybody else was also over-drafted, with better prospects at their positions still available, especially at WR, and Most Especially at WR after the trade-up; and others in some cases should not have been drafted at all: the second Jones, the second RB, the QB, the defensive lineman...
Maybe Strange would have been available at 54. Maybe not.

The fact that no other team had any other IOL rated high enough to pick before 54 does NO T, does NOT, mean that no one would have drafted Strange. Strange was the #3 IOL in many boards, including perhaps as many as 4 team boards. But the issue is whether Belichick wanted to take the risk that one team would draft him before 54. The fact that he should have been there at 85 because you could get him there on your mocks is plain silliness.

You have spent many hundreds of words telling just how poor we are at IOL. We went into the draft with your choice for RT and ZERO OG's and ZERO backup centers that YOU had any faith in.

It takes a huge amount of chutzpah to say that the patriots should have waited until 85 to draft an OG. Once the two top IOL were "overdrafted" in the top 20, I'm sure that it was even difficult for Belichick to trade down instead of drafting his 5-year starter at LG at 21.

You all think that IOL's shouldn't get drafted in the first. There's that analysis and there is the reality that Penning, Johnson and were all drafted in the top 20, and that Belichick had severe needs at IOL.
 
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Everybody else was also over-drafted, with better prospects at their positions still available, especially at WR, and Most Especially at WR after the trade-up; and others in some cases should not have been drafted at all: the second Jones, the second RB, the QB, the defensive lineman...
To be clear, you just mean all the Patriots picks, not everybody in the draft, right?

(If so... Homer!)
 

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