We gotta go get him (Tee Higgins)

[Headcase]

I haven't scouted the draft enough to make an educated guess here, but trading back isn't transmuting lead into gold... it gets done all the time. When you have this many holes to fill and no clear stud at the top it's smart.

If Julio Jones or Randy Moss was sitting there at 4 I'd say draft him, despite my philosophy that says don't... that guy isn't in this draft.

I agree, there is almost no one in this draft with #4 overall talent, but everyone else knows that too....if it is a bad draft at the top, why would people trade up without a steep discount?

I mean if Hunter makes it to 4, and the team doesn't want him, you might get decent compensation if you trade back far enough, but that is about the only situation I see. Hunter falls and someone else falls in love with him. The QBs aren't worth the trade up, if Carter makes it to 4 we should take him. If Hunter falls and you are ok basically punting on the first this year, you could get a decent return from someone.

 

[Wozzy]

I agree, there is almost no one in this draft with #4 overall talent, but everyone else knows that too....if it is a bad draft at the top, why would people trade up without a steep discount?

I mean if Hunter makes it to 4, and the team doesn't want him, you might get decent compensation if you trade back far enough, but that is about the only situation I see. Hunter falls and someone else falls in love with him. The QBs aren't worth the trade up, if Carter makes it to 4 we should take him. If Hunter falls and you are ok basically punting on the first this year, you could get a decent return from someone.

QB desperate teams do desperate things, also not everyone is searching for a WR.

As far as Hunter goes, if he wants to be a two way player the Patriots could use him at CB, use both Hunter and Marcus Jones on offense and find themselves with explosive receiving weapons without having to spend a mint.

I'm just wary about drafting one of Deion's players. There's a lot of "me first" on that Colorado team and they don't play the toughest of competition. He's also pretty skinny.

 

[Lansdowne]

It failed miserably so now we should do it again with Higgins, even if he's a smidge better than Sanu?

Higgins is not just a "smidge" better than Sanu and you know that [hopefully].

And he did it with Mac Jones, Higgins did it with Joe Burrow. Like I said, bigger stronger Kendrick Bourne, he's a better player but not 30 million per better.

Higgins and Bourne are not anywhere close to being the same player. Higgins is a boundary receiver whose game is about physicality, Bourne is a smaller possession receiver who relies on separation. Bourne on his best day isn't anywhere as good of a receiver as Higgins.

He was a horrible signing in hindsight, they should have stuck with homegrown talent and re-signed Meyers. Juju was not the same after knee surgery.

I agree with you here.

I mean we got Randy Moss for a 4th because the majority of the league thought he was damaged goods. Value can still be found in free agency, my answer to fix the WR position is the draft anyway. Bring in a mix of value vets, draft picks and UDFA's... WR is always a deep position found in every round.

I wanted the Pats to trade for DK Metcalf until he made it be known that he doesn't want to come here. So that leaves us with fewer options. Cooper Kupp would be a great addition, though he's a possession receiver and on the downturn of his career so we'd have to be okay with getting maybe 75-80% of what he brought to the Rams. Other than that, you either pay for the known commodity (Tee Higgins) or you draft the mystery box and pray. I'd rather have the known commodity, because even if he costs $30-35 million this year, they'll still have plenty of money to address the other roster spots.

Like I said... new regime. Nothing that happened before has to do with now. You can't operate under the assumption your team is cursed and can't draft a specific position.

I can when the curse has spanned multiple regimes. And this may be a new coaching staff but it's still the same front office with the same guys who picked our receivers last year. The same guys who picked Thornton while BB was here too. It is absolutely fair to continue to judge them based on recent results, because those guys are still around. That being said I do believe in continuing to try because eventually you have to get it right. The Chiefs failed time after time to draft an NFL-quality starting QB until they finally did it in 2017 with Mahomes.

 

[Hyped]

Joe Burrow seems pretty confident that the Bengals will re-sign the trio of: Chase, Hendrickson, and Higgins.

Can someone tell me that this is either mathematically IMPOSSIBLE given what each player could reasonably expect in free agency OR would at least gut the rest of the Bengals' roster?

 

[Lansdowne]

Joe Burrow seems pretty confident that the Bengals will re-sign the trio of: Chase, Hendrickson, and Higgins.

Can someone tell me that this is either mathematically IMPOSSIBLE given what each player could reasonably expect in free agency OR would at least gut the rest of the Bengals' roster?

Maybe with some reworking of contracts to kick those cap numbers into future years, which would put them in Saints-level salary cap hell for years to come after a few years. Or whatever the Chiefs have done to be able to afford to keep Mahomes, Kelce, and Chris Jones together.

 

[Headcase]

QB desperate teams do desperate things, also not everyone is searching for a WR.

As far as Hunter goes, if he wants to be a two way player the Patriots could use him at CB, use both Hunter and Marcus Jones on offense and find themselves with explosive receiving weapons without having to spend a mint.

I'm just wary about drafting one of Deion's players. There's a lot of "me first" on that Colorado team and they don't play the toughest of competition. He's also pretty skinny.

When I say not anyone in this draft is worth #4, I mean anyone, any position. I've heard multiple talking heads suggest that only two players from this draft would go in the top 10 last year, and they would be like 8 and 10. We aren't getting good value by picking at 4, but neither would anyone else.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Joe Burrow isn't a top QB... because the angry hoegoblin said so.

Sounds legit...

And you are a liar since I never said, implied, or thought any such thing. Seriously. Where do you come up with this absolute and total crap, FAKE NEWS WOZZY? Are you just like playing of a playground somewhere and just repeat random convos that have nothing to do with anything?

 

[neuronet]

Bad hamstring no thank you

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[ScottishPatriots]

Cooper Kupp would be a terrible idea, 31 years old with 20m a season due over the next 2 years, the Rams are getting out cause he's starting to break down.

He's worth a bag of beans with that contract at his age and the beating he's taken, i think he'll get cut.

 

[Wozzy]

Higgins is not just a "smidge" better than Sanu and you know that [hopefully].

If Bourne and Sanu career highs are 800 yards and Higgins career best is 1000 then the difference isn’t as much as you suggest. Higgins is better, he’s not Julio Jones or Justin Jefferson.

I agree with you here.

And BB.

I wanted the Pats to trade for DK Metcalf until he made it be known that he doesn't want to come here. So that leaves us with fewer options. Cooper Kupp would be a great addition, though he's a possession receiver and on the downturn of his career so we'd have to be okay with getting maybe 75-80% of what he brought to the Rams. Other than that, you either pay for the known commodity (Tee Higgins) or you draft the mystery box and pray. I'd rather have the known commodity, because even if he costs $30-35 million this year, they'll still have plenty of money to address the other roster spots.

I want DK as well, he fits more what the team is currently missing… deep ball speed and the ability to stretch the field vertically. He doesn’t want to come here, they could sweeten the deal and make it more desirable. Bob Kraft should flex his political muscles and do something about the millionaires tax.

I can when the curse has spanned multiple regimes. And this may be a new coaching staff but it's still the same front office with the same guys who picked our receivers last year. The same guys who picked Thornton while BB was here too. It is absolutely fair to continue to judge them based on recent results, because those guys are still around. That being said I do believe in continuing to try because eventually you have to get it right. The Chiefs failed time after time to draft an NFL-quality starting QB until they finally did it in 2017 with Mahomes.

I mean, the dynasty… not sure they had problems prior to that. It’s also a case where under BB they simply didn’t use high draft picks on WR’s. They always went late round picks, value vets and UDFA’s. The two times they used high picks were disasters.. this colors fan opinion. If you look at the limited resources used to fill the position they did pretty well. Hard to argue with unmitigated success.

 

[Zuma]

If Bourne and Sanu career highs are 800 yards and Higgins career best is 1000 then the difference isn’t as much as you suggest. Higgins is better, he’s not Julio Jones or Justin Jefferson.

More like 1100. 4 times over 900 for Higgins. Bourne has never been over 800. Also again, Higgins is 25, Bourne is 29.

 

[Wozzy]

When I say not anyone in this draft is worth #4, I mean anyone, any position. I've heard multiple talking heads suggest that only two players from this draft would go in the top 10 last year, and they would be like 8 and 10. We aren't getting good value by picking at 4, but neither would anyone else.

One year teams reached in the first for Carson Wentz and Jared Goff. It’s hard to predict how teams will act. Everybody’s board is different and some teams are run by morons.

I’d also add the year CJ Stroud was taken he was panned as a QB people would reach for in a weak draft. The 2021 class considered a deep QB draft has been a disaster. Even Lawrence who was considered a generational prospect has underachieved and every QB taken afterwards has failed.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Joe Burrow seems pretty confident that the Bengals will re-sign the trio of: Chase, Hendrickson, and Higgins.

Can someone tell me that this is either mathematically IMPOSSIBLE given what each player could reasonably expect in free agency OR would at least gut the rest of the Bengals' roster?

Joe does not sign the checks. He is not reducing his salary to keep Higgins. He can't. The dead money would kill the team.

The Bengals have $46,567,407 in cap space. Higgins will get at least a $30 mil average on the open market. Trey Hendrickson had 17.5 sacks this season and is set to earn $16 mil in 2025. Nick Bosa earned $34 mil annually, and so Hendrickson will demand more money. Then Chase needs to be paid by next season.

Duke Tobin said this week, "We feel like we have the resources to do it, but it all depends on how the negotiation goes and whether they're willing to accept wanting to come back at a number that makes sense for everybody."

Its not mathematically impossible. Its just very hard. Higgins won't make $30 mil and Hendrickson won't come anywhere near $34. Thats the only way they stay. Chase will demand to be the highest paid WR in the league. In free agency, Higgins has a shot being a few million under Jefferson. If other teams are willing to pay him $30 mil a year, the Pats have to pay the suck tax and the Mass tax. It could be $34 mil a year.

 

[Wozzy]

Joe Burrow seems pretty confident that the Bengals will re-sign the trio of: Chase, Hendrickson, and Higgins.

Can someone tell me that this is either mathematically IMPOSSIBLE given what each player could reasonably expect in free agency OR would at least gut the rest of the Bengals' roster?

They’ve failed miserably because of the offensive line. A top five QB with Super Weapons has been a failure. Burrow has suffered three serious season ending injuries. They’re a great example of what not to do.

 

[Wozzy]

And you are a liar since I never said, implied, or thought any such thing. Seriously. Where do you come up with this absolute and total crap, FAKE NEWS WOZZY? Are you just like playing of a playground somewhere and just repeat random convos that have nothing to do with anything?

You specifically said I was wrong that Burrow was a top QB. You post a lot and dance around what you’ve said, like passive aggressive insults.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Part of me suspects we may be looking at an offense that is centered more on two tight TE rather than WR centric

Ugh stop trying to re-create 2010. Brady ain’t walking through that door

 

[dliverey44]

Maybe with some reworking of contracts to kick those cap numbers into future years, which would put them in Saints-level salary cap hell for years to come after a few years. Or whatever the Chiefs have done to be able to afford to keep Mahomes, Kelce, and Chris Jones together.

They have 170M in cap space in 2026, so if they give huge amounts of signing bonus it is prorated the length of the contract. I think they will be able to sign all 3, especially pushing money into 2026 and 2027, like you said.

 

[imahobgoblin]

You specifically said I was wrong that Burrow was a top QB. You post a lot and dance around what you’ve said, like passive aggressive insults.

You are a liar. I never said anything about Burrow. You just make this trash up and argue with yourself.

 

[Wozzy]

You are a liar. I never said anything about Burrow. You just make this trash up and argue with yourself.

I said Burrow was a top QB, you said everything I said was a lie… “fake news” you called it.

Lie… I don’t think that word means what you think it does.