We gotta go get him (Tee Higgins)

[Zuma]

Slayton would cost you the NFL equivalent of a bologna sandwich. He'd be a solid #2 without Daniel Jones throwing to him.

I’m just not interested in more bologna. We have too many average #2’s.

 

[Wozzy]

K-Mart shopping for wide receivers is how the Pats end up with mid talent at WR with names like Mohamed Sanu and Kendrick Bourne and Nelson Agholor and JuJu Smith-Schuster and K.J. Osborn. Hollywood, Slayton, and Moore are all ancillary guys, not feature guys. Slayton has six years in the league without surpassing 770 receiving yards in a season. QB play is a legit thing but true WR1's play the part regardless of who is tossing the rock. Just look at what Malik Nabers did with the same poverty QB room this past season. Slayton has speed but he's a bit player and nothing more. Hollywood Brown's injury history is every bit as impressive as Higgins'. I loved Elijah Moore coming out of college but apart from a strong six-game stretch his rookie season, he hasn't really put enough to tape to be anything more than a team's WR3. If any of those guys is the best this team can do this offseason at WR then they've learned nothing. I'd rather they take another shot at a speedy WR in the draft than waste money on retreads who don't move the needle (or the chains) as Maye's go-to option. Luther Burden is probably the best fast WR option in the draft, he could be an option if the Pats trade down from 4 (or trade back into the 1st with another pick).

Mohamed Sanu cost us a 2nd, he was really expensive for an average possession WR. They overpaid because Brady was pouting over AB getting fired. That's not a good example. Bourne is a solid #2 WR, a year removed from knee surgery and he should be much better... like he was prior to that. Juju is playing in the Super Bowl again.

The difference between Hollywood, Slayton and all the guys I mentioned which you seemingly glossed over is price.

Again... draft WR's, it's the best and most cost effective way to add talent to the roster. It's a completely new regime, past failures at drafting WR's has nothing to do with them... teams aren't cursed.

 

[Wozzy]

There isn't a WR worth #1, if Hunter had played full time WR in college, maybe...but Tet isn't. To me a top 5 OT better be an Alt-like prospect, that isn't in this draft either. Really crossing my fingers for 2 QBs go before us, that is the only way we will get decent level of prospect at #4.....even then we will be getting less of a prospect than would normally be picked at #4.

Trade back, use the machine gun approach to drafting. Stockpile picks in the 2nd and 3rd round.

 

[Wozzy]

I’m just not interested in more bologna. We have too many average #2’s.

Higgins is not the filet mignon you guys are selling him as... this is the opinion of weapon's starved fans.

 

[Zuma]

Higgins is not the filet mignon you guys are selling him as... this is the opinion of weapon's starved fans.

His average yards per season is about 1000. Catch percentage is 65. He’s 6’4”. That’s better than what we have and what we’ve had in a while. Don’t fight it. Give in to the Higgins love…you won’t regret it.

 

[signbabybrady]

I’m just not interested in more bologna. We have too many average #2’s.

We need some bologna guys on the OL to pair with coach.

 

[Wozzy]

His average yards per season is about 1000. Catch percentage is 65. He’s 6’4”. That’s better than what we have and what we’ve had in a while. Don’t fight it. Give in to the Higgins love…you won’t regret it.

His average yards per season is 919 yards, he's a bigger taller Kendrick Bourne.

Lol... if they signed Tee Higgins and did a masterful job filling all the other holes on the roster I'd be happy to have him... even if he was overpaid.

Sign Higgins and miss on fixing the lines on both sides of the ball... and this is a 500 team or worse again. I said this as they were signing the Okorafors, Nick Leveretts and Michael Jordan's of the world last offseason and people here insisted any big fat guy could do the job... the result was the worst offensive line in the entire NFL and 4 wins.

If you can't block, you can't run or pass.

 

[signbabybrady]

His average yards per season is 919 yards, he's a bigger taller Kendrick Bourne.

Lol... if they signed Tee Higgins and did a masterful job filling all the other holes on the roster I'd be happy to have him... even if he was overpaid.

Sign Higgins and miss on fixing the lines on both sides of the ball... and this is a 500 team or worse again. I said this as they were signing the Okorafors, Nick Leveretts and Michael Jordan's of the world last offseason and people here insisted any big fat guy could do the job... the result was the worst offensive line in the entire NFL and 4 wins.

If you can't block, you can't run or pass.

I think we can all agree on this

 

[Headcase]

Trade back, use the machine gun approach to drafting. Stockpile picks in the 2nd and 3rd round.

I understand the approach, but I just feel like it isn't viable this year. No one in this draft is worth the capital for a team to move up for, it takes two tango, ect.....The easiest thing to do is say, trade back, but show a scenario where it actually makes sense for both teams.

 

[Lansdowne]

Mohamed Sanu cost us a 2nd, he was really expensive for an average possession WR. They overpaid because Brady was pouting over AB getting fired. That's not a good example.

How is that not a good example? Overpaying for mid is overpaying for mid, regardless of what led to it.

Bourne is a solid #2 WR, a year removed from knee surgery and he should be much better... like he was prior to that.

Bourne was a solid #2 WR... in 2021. He hasn't been that guy since then and he's not going to be that guy, certainly not with this team. I'll eat one of my six Super Bowl champions hats if he gets 925 scrimmage yards again.

Juju is playing in the Super Bowl again.

And? He's doing so as their WR4, who compiled a mere 18-231-2 line in 14 games. He was another horrible signing, which is the point I'm making here. Him riding the coattails of the Chiefs doesn't change that.

The difference between Hollywood, Slayton and all the guys I mentioned which you seemingly glossed over is price.

Again... draft WR's, it's the best and most cost effective way to add talent to the roster. It's a completely new regime, past failures at drafting WR's has nothing to do with them... teams aren't cursed.

And those guys are priced the way they are for a reason. There's a reason these fast guys that you clamoring for are not going to fetch top dollar the way guys like Higgins or Godwin will. I wouldn't mind tacking them on to this WR group as long as they're not the best we're getting this offseason.

Drafting a WR and taking advantage of his cost-friendly salary is the best route. Unfortunately the Pats' track record with drafting and developing WR's is not good, and flopped hard with the same front office personnel just last year. I'm for taking another stab at it but they cannot afford to keep messing up. A big reason why the dynasty folded was the inability to draft and develop the future of the Patriots offense. Get whatever complementary receivers you think might help but Maye needs a reliable #1 receiver if we want him to take the next step in his development. No more settling for bologna sandwiches. I really hope we don't sign a guy like Nick Westbrook-Ikhine and call it a day just because of his 9 touchdowns last season and his connection to Vrabel, he's underwhelming as a receiver.

 

[Zuma]

His average yards per season is 919 yards, he's a bigger taller Kendrick Bourne.

Lol... if they signed Tee Higgins and did a masterful job filling all the other holes on the roster I'd be happy to have him... even if he was overpaid.

Sign Higgins and miss on fixing the lines on both sides of the ball... and this is a 500 team or worse again. I said this as they were signing the Okorafors, Nick Leveretts and Michael Jordan's of the world last offseason and people here insisted any big fat guy could do the job... the result was the worst offensive line in the entire NFL and 4 wins.

If you can't block, you can't run or pass.

Bourne never even reached 900 yards in one season and he’s 29 yo. Higgins has been over 900 yards 4 times and he’s only 25. Cmon dude. Smart of you to get off that Slayton bandwagon.

 

[Headcase]

Sign Higgins and miss on fixing the lines on both sides of the ball... and this is a 500 team or worse again. I said this as they were signing the Okorafors, Nick Leveretts and Michael Jordan's of the world last offseason and people here insisted any big fat guy could do the job... the result was the worst offensive line in the entire NFL and 4 wins.

If you can't block, you can't run or pass.

I agree they need to fix alot of holes, but with the state of this team fixing those holes with high end players in FA is going to be tough, this team is going to be a hard sell.

I do believe one of the reasons for the issues last year was the FO and Coaches not being on the same page, they really went into FA (and the draft) thinking they could just get guys to play out of position and it would fix their issues.

It didn't.

They need to get two NFL veteran tackles, a guy with LT experience, and a guy with RT experience. They don't have to be top 10 guys at their positions, those guys don't really hit FA, but just getting those two positions up to NFL average would be a boost. Healthy, average tackles will improve this line.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Usually the person who has to revert to name calling has lost the plot. That's you...

I made my point multiple pages back. Yes, build the lines, use every resource to fix the lines. Fill the multitude of starting positions that need fixing instead of spending the majority of your wad on one shiny hood ornament who, when you can't block or pass again, will be the first person in the locker room to become a cancer.

Either you need reading lessons or serious help. There is a difference between name calling and stating observances. Fix the lines, fix the lines, fixe the lines. Everyone agrees with that, but you don't get is that $120 million can't be thrown into the lines. You have to get that through your thick head.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Bourne never even reached 900 yards in one season and he’s 29 yo. Higgins has been over 900 yards 4 times and he’s only 25. Cmon dude. Smart of you to get off that Slayton bandwagon.

You have to stop waisting your time replying to that guy. It is useless.

 

[Wozzy]

I understand the approach, but I just feel like it isn't viable this year. No one in this draft is worth the capital for a team to move up for, it takes two tango, ect.....The easiest thing to do is say, trade back, but show a scenario where it actually makes sense for both teams.

I haven't scouted the draft enough to make an educated guess here, but trading back isn't transmuting lead into gold... it gets done all the time. When you have this many holes to fill and no clear stud at the top it's smart.

If Julio Jones or Randy Moss was sitting there at 4 I'd say draft him, despite my philosophy that says don't... that guy isn't in this draft.

 

[Wozzy]

How is that not a good example? Overpaying for mid is overpaying for mid, regardless of what led to it.

It failed miserably so now we should do it again with Higgins, even if he's a smidge better than Sanu?

Bourne was a solid #2 WR... in 2021. He hasn't been that guy since then and he's not going to be that guy, certainly not with this team. I'll eat one of my six Super Bowl champions hats if he gets 925 scrimmage yards again.

And he did it with Mac Jones, Higgins did it with Joe Burrow. Like I said, bigger stronger Kendrick Bourne, he's a better player but not 30 million per better. Bourne is making 6 per and is a year removed from surgery, he should be better now health provided.

And? He's doing so as their WR4, who compiled a mere 18-231-2 line in 14 games. He was another horrible signing, which is the point I'm making here. Him riding the coattails of the Chiefs doesn't change that.

He was a horrible signing in hindsight, they should have stuck with homegrown talent and re-signed Meyers. Juju was not the same after knee surgery.

And those guys are priced the way they are for a reason. There's a reason these fast guys that you clamoring for are not going to fetch top dollar the way guys like Higgins or Godwin will. I wouldn't mind tacking them on to this WR group as long as they're not the best we're getting this offseason.

I mean we got Randy Moss for a 4th because the majority of the league thought he was damaged goods. Value can still be found in free agency, my answer to fix the WR position is the draft anyway. Bring in a mix of value vets, draft picks and UDFA's... WR is always a deep position found in every round.

Drafting a WR and taking advantage of his cost-friendly salary is the best route. Unfortunately the Pats' track record with drafting and developing WR's is not good, and flopped hard with the same front office personnel just last year. I'm for taking another stab at it but they cannot afford to keep messing up. A big reason why the dynasty folded was the inability to draft and develop the future of the Patriots offense. Get whatever complementary receivers you think might help but Maye needs a reliable #1 receiver if we want him to take the next step in his development. No more settling for bologna sandwiches. I really hope we don't sign a guy like Nick Westbrook-Ikhine and call it a day just because of his 9 touchdowns last season and his connection to Vrabel, he's underwhelming as a receiver.

Like I said... new regime. Nothing that happened before has to do with now. You can't operate under the assumption your team is cursed and can't draft a specific position.

 

[Wozzy]

Bourne never even reached 900 yards in one season and he’s 29 yo. Higgins has been over 900 yards 4 times and he’s only 25. Cmon dude. Smart of you to get off that Slayton bandwagon.

Higgins has played with a top five QB his entire career... that matters right?

I'm not off Slayton, we could sign 3-4 value vets for the price of one Higgins.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Higgins has played with a top five QB his entire career... that matters right?

I'm not off Slayton, we could sign 3-4 value vets for the price of one Higgins.

Your new name is FAKE NEWS WOZZY.

 

[Wozzy]

Either you need reading lessons or serious help. There is a difference between name calling and stating observances. Fix the lines, fix the lines, fixe the lines. Everyone agrees with that, but you don't get is that $120 million can't be thrown into the lines. You have to get that through your thick head.

What you don't get is I already gave a large laundry list of positions that needed to get fixed, well beyond both offensive and defensive line... and I included WR in there.

Once you throw 30 million per at Higgins it makes all those other holes harder to fill, and IMO he's not that kind of impact player that will tilt the field in your favor.

You could just say you agree to disagree instead of being insulting. There's good therapists for anger and emotional issues.

 

[Wozzy]

Your new name is FAKE NEWS WOZZY.

Joe Burrow isn't a top QB... because the angry hoegoblin said so.

Sounds legit...