Tyrann Mathieu Released

[supafly]

This might be one of the dumber things I’ve read today. ST accounts for 1/3rd of the playing structure, we are consistently at the top of the league in ST play and field position metrics, and you want to lop off a team strength because you can’t be bothered to spell one guys name right or remember the other?

Seems like we have many who don’t give ST players the respect that they deserve. After all, it’s one of the 3 phases of the game. It only makes sense that resources are going to be dedicated there.

I think the main beef lies with wanting to improve on ST players who are liable to see actual reps on defense, like (cough) Jordan Richards. A player like that would need to be improved upon, especially since it was obvious from week one that he wasn’t going to work in that role.

 

[Nunchucks]

This might be one of the dumber things I’ve read today. ST accounts for 1/3rd of the playing structure, we are consistently at the top of the league in ST play and field position metrics, and you want to lop off a team strength because you can’t be bothered to spell one guys name right or remember the other?

Special teams is not 1/3 of the plays and most results are fair catch or touchbavk. Spending millions on players who only play 10 plays a game does not make sense. In the past, the patriots drafted developmental players and put starters on special teams.

3 million dollars is the difference between solder or no solder.....would you rather have ebner and king or solder?

 

[Nunchucks]

I also love how insulting people who disagree with me are, it really adds to your point.

Pull your heads out of your fandom and look at it logically. Irrational people......

 

[RobertWeathers]

Special teams is not 1/3 of the plays and most results are fair catch or touchbavk. Spending millions on players who only play 10 plays a game does not make sense. In the past, the patriots drafted developmental players and put starters on special teams.

3 million dollars is the difference between solder or no solder.....would you rather have ebner and king or solder?

Spending money on ST-centric players was not the reason Solder left.

 

[PF_SU]

3 million dollars is the difference between solder or no solder.....would you rather have ebner and king or solder?

Strawman argument. Even if they had 100 million in cap space they wouldn't have signed Solder at the contract that he got. Signing special teamers is not the reason they don't sign certain people.

 

[Uptown]

Mathieu to the Steelers is getting some talk in the past 24 hours. Lots of current and former players attempting to recruit him, and some of the local sports radio hosts claiming that the front office has been waiting for a blue chip secondary player like this to hit the market for awhile, which seems like an odd statement.

I have a hard time believing it due to cost and their cap situation, but they’ve sacrificed the future for the present before, so who knows. I’d hate to see him go to a major contender.

Well, they did just cut their entire secondary so it makes sense lol.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Well, they did just cut their entire secondary so it makes sense lol.

I read hes a lock to go to the chiefs.
The Steelers have no cap if they can afford him so can we.

 

[Nunchucks]

Strawman argument. Even if they had 100 million in cap space they wouldn't have signed Solder at the contract that he got. Signing special teamers is not the reason they don't sign certain people.

If they have more money under the cap, they can allocate more money to position players.

 

[PF_SU]

If they have more money under the cap, they can allocate more money to position players.

If they don't see Solder as being worth the biggest contract for an offensive lineman in the NFL they won't give him that contract. Doesn't matter how much cap space they have.

 

[luuked]

If they have more money under the cap, they can allocate more money to position players.

You are missing the point.

Even if they would have 60m free they would not go over limits they set for themselves when they evaluate talent. Every player has an evaluation where the range of his value lies and if that doesnt line up with what the market dictates then BBs MO is to move on from that player. This has been the most fundamental thing you can observe about he has always managed the roster.

Now whether that is necessarily the right approach for every position I dont know. But then again BB has been doing this forever and has been the most successful roster builder in the cap era so he might know what he is doing.

 

[Nunchucks]

You are missing the point.

Even if they would have 60m free they would not go over limits they set for themselves when they evaluate talent. Every player has an evaluation where the range of his value lies and if that doesnt line up with what the market dictates then BBs MO is to move on from that player. This has been the most fundamental thing you can observe about he has always managed the roster.

Now whether that is necessarily the right approach for every position I dont know. But then again BB has been doing this forever and has been the most successful roster builder in the cap era so he might know what he is doing.

Well, he has had Tom Brady to hide the deficiencies in the OL and on defense, that is for sure.

 

[luuked]

Well, he has had Tom Brady to hide the deficiencies in the OL and on defense, that is for sure.

Yes... Brady the New England Sports Jesus..

He covers it all up. The shortcomings of WRs, RBs.. OL.. hell even the defense and coaching. **** he might even cover up the Krafts marketing screwups...

Did you ever maybe think that the OL is designed with Bradys quick release, footwork and subtle pocket movement in mind ? That maybe because the team knows Brady is capable of making the right decision in a very short amount of time and get pre/post snap reads right so they can get away with slightly cheaper parts on the OL ?

 

[Nunchucks]

Yes... Brady the New England Sports Jesus..

He covers it all up. The shortcomings of WRs, RBs.. OL.. hell even the defense and coaching. **** he might even cover up the Krafts marketing screwups...

Did you ever maybe think that the OL is designed with Bradys quick release, footwork and subtle pocket movement in mind ? That maybe because the team knows Brady is capable of making the right decision in a very short amount of time and get pre/post snap reads right so they can get away with slightly cheaper parts on the OL ?

Thank you for restating what I said.

 

[luuked]

Thank you for restating what I said.

Sure thing. Difficult to make sense out of the confused mess you are writing though.

 

[Adam Seward]

Special teams is not 1/3 of the plays and most results are fair catch or touchbavk. Spending millions on players who only play 10 plays a game does not make sense. In the past, the patriots drafted developmental players and put starters on special teams.

3 million dollars is the difference between solder or no solder.....would you rather have ebner and king or solder?

1/3rd of the play structure, ie. 33% of the game itself is special teams. Not play volume but structure of the game itself. Lots of game planning for this specific area.

We don’t kick mostly fair catches or touch backs for a reason, we don’t ****ing suck at special teams. We don’t ****ing suck at special teams because we game plan it, practice it and pay specialists. We dominate field position because we supplement the offense and defense with sound special teams play.

Bill has an economics degree, Ernie Adams, our quality control wiz did work for an investment firm as a bond trader between Bills coaching gigs. If I were to trust any group of fellows to assign value to a particular aspect of the game, it would be them.

Keep trying.

 

[VectorPrime]

Has he met with a team yet?

 

[Nunchucks]

1/3rd of the play structure, ie. 33% of the game itself is special teams. Not play volume but structure of the game itself. Lots of game planning for this specific area.

We don’t kick mostly fair catches or touch backs for a reason, we don’t ****ing suck at special teams. We don’t ****ing suck at special teams because we game plan it, practice it and pay specialists. We dominate field position because we supplement the offense and defense with sound special teams play.

Bill has an economics degree, Ernie Adams, our quality control wiz did work for an investment firm as a bond trader between Bills coaching gigs. If I were to trust any group of fellows to assign value to a particular aspect of the game, it would be them.

Keep trying.

You are seriously arguing that it is worth the extra money for those players who are x percent better than a young guy or end of the bench player?

The patriots averaged 3.6 kick offs per game for 18.9 yards, which is 3rd best in the NFL, but really it is so close, it should be considered in the top 10 teams we are talking about a difference of a yard.
2017 NFL Team Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

For punts, the Patriots averaged 1.4 punts per game for an average return of 4.6 yards. Titans were 15th with an average of 7 yards.

Patriots should be filling these positions with draft picks.

You say it is a 1/3 of the game, but I am not so sure it makes much of a difference in today's game.

 

[Adam Seward]

You are seriously arguing that it is worth the extra money for those players who are x percent better than a young guy or end of the bench player?

The patriots averaged 3.6 kick offs per game for 18.9 yards, which is 3rd best in the NFL, but really it is so close, it should be considered in the top 10 teams we are talking about a difference of a yard.
2017 NFL Team Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

For punts, the Patriots averaged 1.4 punts per game for an average return of 4.6 yards. Titans were 15th with an average of 7 yards.

Patriots should be filling these positions with draft picks.

You say it is a 1/3 of the game, but I am not so sure it makes much of a difference in today's game.

You’re talking yardage on punts, I’m talking field position. Pure yardage puts no context into the situational aspect of the punts.

It’s 1/3 of the game that directly influences the situation the remaining 2 phases, short of a turnover.

www.patspulpit.com/platform/amp/2017/12/3/16725774/the-patriots-special-teams-are-special-again

 

[fnordcircle]

Has he met with a team yet?

Only thing I've seen is the token 'want to go to a culture where winning matters' comment.

I'm really hoping he has a slow time over the next week or two which might make him consider taking less than the 10-11m numbers I've seen.

I'd take him over Earl Thomas because of his age. Not that 28 is decrepit.

 

[luuked]

You are seriously arguing that it is worth the extra money for those players who are x percent better than a young guy or end of the bench player?

The patriots averaged 3.6 kick offs per game for 18.9 yards, which is 3rd best in the NFL, but really it is so close, it should be considered in the top 10 teams we are talking about a difference of a yard.
2017 NFL Team Returning Stats - National Football League - ESPN

For punts, the Patriots averaged 1.4 punts per game for an average return of 4.6 yards. Titans were 15th with an average of 7 yards.

Patriots should be filling these positions with draft picks.

You say it is a 1/3 of the game, but I am not so sure it makes much of a difference in today's game.