Tyquan Thornton thanks us for all the hate and doubt

[signbabybrady]

Turns out hotties travel and real estate sells. but am glad that you're okay with pointing out that he's nothing special when it comes to having principles, even if that upsets the Cult of Bill.

Your principles seem impeccable

 

[Bill Lee]

You're principles seem impeccable

At least I know the difference between "you're" and "your".

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Not sure id be yapping about a couple 60 yard games. Dude , the chiefs are 1-2 for the first time in forever largely in part because theyre relying on people like you as their primary targets.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Yes, Thornton is an OK backup WR. I think the point is that he couldn't be a #5 for us.

Fair, he always broke after training camp. It seems like he has put on some weight so hopefully he has better luck staying on the field.

 

[lancerman]

Not sure id be yapping about a couple 60 yard games. Dude , the chiefs are 1-2 for the first time in forever largely in part because theyre relying on people like you as their primary targets.

Yup. Thornton has one of the top QB's in the league and because guys like Kelce are on the decline he's getting forced the ball more because teams can focus on Hollywood Brown now that they don't need to respect Kelce as much. Tyquan is sort of in the golden spot where he's not a priority and is the safest bet for Mahomes.

So yeah I get a guy who didn't see much success bragging about it, but if you become a priority receiver on a team that for the first time in 8 years looks weak, that says more about how valuable you are. Mahomes is getting some numbers no matter what. But if you are one of his top guys and it doesn't translate to success, the league ain't that afraid of you

 

[mgteich]

Let me state the obvious. I apologize if someone has already said this.

I would rather have Thornton than Douglas. Of course, he would have had since Josh got here to learn the system.

 

[lancerman]

I don't think Bill cared that much about his successor but Krafts decision did directly impact how he managed his DC position. And that likely trickled into other areas too.

But now you're starting to force me into speculating and I'm not a fan of that game. It's all the made up narratives that annoy me the most. I'd rather just keep it vague and not make things up but it's easy to imagine how this to put it lightly could unintentionally create some lack of singular cohesion amongst the whole staff and if you wanted to play conspiracy theory way worse.

Personally I think everyone was smart enough to recognize that everyone was trying to do what they felt was best short term/long term regardless of which might benefit them the most and tried to make it work and it just didn't for various and numerous reasons.

It's hard to judge the DC situation. Take the drama between Belichick and Kraft aside. You had a team where every single player said they viewed Mayo as the guy in charge there and it would have looked bad if the coach's son got promoted over the coach that had credibility as a player AND had their backing. Until Mayo's HC tenure where everyone turned on him, Mayo being DC seemed like the thing that made the most sense

I've always read that as Bill splitting the difference. He couldn't make Steve the DC because it would look like nepotism and it would effect player morale. He couldn't make Mayo the DC because Steve looks like he got a demotion if he goes from one of two guys leading the defense to being the assistant of Mayo as a DC.

If Steve wasn't there and it was anybody else doing the exact same thing, Mayo probably would have gotten the nod.

 

[RDS11]

Thornton is playing well… just say you were wrong and move on.

It’s not hard, you wont spontaneously combust.

Mac Jones is playing much better right now than Thornton. Do you really want to go into this kind of contortionist logic ?

Your convoluted way to bring every topic back to your narrative that Belichick was perfect is tiresome.

 

[lancerman]

Mac Jones is playing much better right now than Thornton. Do you really want to go into this kind of contortionist logic ?

Your convoluted way to bring every topic back to your narrative that Belichick was perfect is tiresome.

Most players will look better when you elevate some of the talent around them. However, Thornton looks better and the Chiefs look worse. All that says is that the Pats have been bad (we knew that) and Thornton doesn't add much to the Chiefs (we knew that)

 

[signbabybrady]

It's hard to judge the DC situation. Take the drama between Belichick and Kraft aside. You had a team where every single player said they viewed Mayo as the guy in charge there and it would have looked bad if the coach's son got promoted over the coach that had credibility as a player AND had their backing. Until Mayo's HC tenure where everyone turned on him, Mayo being DC seemed like the thing that made the most sense

I've always read that as Bill splitting the difference. He couldn't make Steve the DC because it would look like nepotism and it would effect player morale. He couldn't make Mayo the DC because Steve looks like he got a demotion if he goes from one of two guys leading the defense to being the assistant of Mayo as a DC.

If Steve wasn't there and it was anybody else doing the exact same thing, Mayo probably would have gotten the nod.

Again I don't want to start making things up but much of that perception could have been driven by the higher ups? We don't know which came first but we do know when the Israel trip occurred.

But it also doesn't need to be anything overt if Bill knew Mayo was on Krafts radar he likely just works within the parameters of what his boss would want so long as it's reasonable and I'm not trying to say Mayo didn't earn his way up through Bill too (like you point out and seemed the case at the time the players liked him).

 

[signbabybrady]

Yup. Thornton has one of the top QB's in the league and because guys like Kelce are on the decline he's getting forced the ball more because teams can focus on Hollywood Brown now that they don't need to respect Kelce as much. Tyquan is sort of in the golden spot where he's not a priority and is the safest bet for Mahomes.

So yeah I get a guy who didn't see much success bragging about it, but if you become a priority receiver on a team that for the first time in 8 years looks weak, that says more about how valuable you are. Mahomes is getting some numbers no matter what. But if you are one of his top guys and it doesn't translate to success, the league ain't that afraid of you

Isn't this kind of the inverse of what's going on with Pop right now? We're perceiving that his numbers were more just accumulation numbers that someone/anyone was going to get just because we were throwing while down in a lot of games.

Except Tyquan was here and could have been doing that all along too. Suggesting that he at least figured something out to help him do a little better.

Obvious answer being duh Mahomes is that something and probably true. But then Pop is doing worse with better QB play.

Nothings that simple and the games too hard not to deserve credit for whatever stats you are putting up regardless of how much the situation might be to your benefit. Plenty of players have, can, and will benefit from their situations doesn't change their contributions right now it's Thorntons turn.

It will be interesting to see how Ty responds does he build off this or does he fade as Rice, Worthy, and whoever else start getting reps back.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I also got laughed at and ridiculed when I said that Thornton would succeed on a team with a good OL and strong armed QB. I also heard the he sucks, no Wr has left and done well.

Sorry bud but I have to see that quote to believe it. I don't recall any person in this forum predicting success for Thornton, everyone wanted him gone. That's not a shot at you, but suddenly people are coming out of the woodwork with " I knew it all along" regarding Thornton, and for at least 99% of them it's complete revisionist history.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Mac Jones is playing much better right now than Thornton. Do you really want to go into this kind of contortionist logic ?

Your convoluted way to bring every topic back to your narrative that Belichick was perfect is tiresome.

Mac Jones Sucks, Eliot Wolf forced Belichick to make that pick!!!

- Cult of Belichick

Mac Jones is a winner!!! Belichick sure knows how to pick quarterbacks!!!

-Cult of Belichick

 

[Wozzy]

Turns out hotties travel and real estate sells. but am glad that you're okay with pointing out that he's nothing special when it comes to having principles, even if that upsets the Cult of Bill.

You’d turn away 20 million per and be a diva at work… I doubt the first part and believe the second part.

 

[Bill Lee]

You’d turn away 20 million per and be a diva at work… I doubt the first part and believe the second part.

The picture you paint of the GOAT coach being ****ed by the owner and his son into picking picks he doesn't want just so he can keep riding the gravy train is not doing your projection of the GOAT coach much good, but go ahead, keep going.

If you want to die on the "Jonathan Kraft forced Bill to take Cole Strange" hill, it's there for the taking.

 

[Wozzy]

Mac Jones is playing much better right now than Thornton. Do you really want to go into this kind of contortionist logic ?

Your convoluted way to bring every topic back to your narrative that Belichick was perfect is tiresome.

Mac Jones stunk last game. It’s what he does, shows promise then falls off a cliff.

I never even implied Belichick was perfect, I’m just not saying the winningest coach in pro football history was a boob who got lucky and backed into two decades of success because he hurt Tom’s feelings. The Brady honks here are man baby’s. I have a long history of being critical of Bill’s decisions.

 

[Wozzy]

The picture you paint of the GOAT coach being ****ed by the owner and his son into picking picks he doesn't want just so he can keep riding the gravy train is not doing your projection of the GOAT coach much good, but go ahead, keep going.

You think if you insert “****” into the conversation it gives your foolish narrative weight… it doesn’t.

The owner has veto power over everything. That doesn’t change just because you act like a catty girl.

 

[Bill Lee]

The owner has veto power over everything. That doesn’t change just because you act like a catty girl.

So you're really going with the idea that decision to take Cole Strange came from the Krafts?

That's one mysterious veto power that only kicks in when Bill made bad decisions.

The Krafts were paying Bill $20M a year but only for his good decisions, the bad ones were on them.

 

[Wozzy]

So you're really going with the idea that decision to take Cole Strange came from the Krafts?

Wolf was Jonathan’s hire. I don’t claim to know who was Bill’s pick or who was Wolf’s pick, other than what was reported by beat reporters. That’s why I refer to all picks from 2021 on as collaboration picks.

Beat reporters wrote that BB never wanted to draft Mac, eventually wanted to trade Mac entering year two, also that he wanted to sign more of his own free agents like Jakobi Meyers but got strong armed into signing Juju instead. If Bill wasn’t in charge of personnel, then it was the collaboration who decided to let linemen like Thuney and Mason go. Why wouldn’t Bill want “his” guys.

It certainly wasn’t Bill’s idea to switch to a West Coast offense in year two, he mocked the scheme as “easy to defend,” so why would he switch to it.

If the owners son was meddling it makes sense why he hired pals to coach offense instead of bringing in experienced professionals. He knew he wasn’t going to be there long.

None of this is pandering to Bill, it’s repeating facts and shared life experiences we all know happened. It’s only the haters who ignore clear evidence and facts because they’re a bunch of emotional cripples who felt lost after Tommy left.

 

[scott99]

I’m still shocked when he catches a pass.