Trading Ryan Mallett in the Off - Season

[JackBauer]

In theory, I'd like to keep Mallett around as heir apparent. In reality, without a body of evidence to judge, I haven't a clue if he'll ever live up to that title.

Cassel doesn't intrigue me in the least. Dude is one of the worst QBs in the league. Ditto Tebow.

 

[chasa]

more likely terrible coaching.

Crennal and Haley have been QB killers.

Give Cassel a decent OC and he does good(weiss/mcdaniels)

I think cassel is a servicable QB he just needs the right coaches, with that in mind Cassel is def a third tier QB.

first tier: MVP types passers
Second tier: Good QBS(like matt ryan)
third tier: QBs that can get you to the playoffs if the whole team is solid (shaub/flacco)
4th tier: Qb's that dont belong on the field. ala Mark sanchez, all the cards and jax QB's

 

[Urgent]

Really interesting question here.

The Pats have no 4-5-6 round picks, and no extra two's for maybe the only time in Belichick's tenure. He can't be happy heading into the draft with so few picks.

Mallett *might* represent a source of un-tapped value on the team that could be converted into a pick. If, as others point out, there is a desperate trading partner.

Then another question is would the Patriots be happier with Mallet at $800K or a third/fourth pick plus Cassell at $5-6mm. I think the answer to that is no. A mid-round draft pick is not worth $5mm in cap space.

It does seem likely that Belichick will attempt to convert some player/s on the roster into a pick, and Mallett certainly would be in the conversation. There really are not many others you could consider. Deaderick or Love? No market for Cannon. Fells or Cunningham? Otherwise you are looking at starters - few non-first-year depth players signed beyond this year. So you come back to Mallett.

 

[Deus Irae]

In theory, I'd like to keep Mallett around as heir apparent. In reality, without a body of evidence to judge, I haven't a clue if he'll ever live up to that title.

Cassel doesn't intrigue me in the least. Dude is one of the worst QBs in the league. Ditto Tebow.

You're looking for a backup. Cassel was a borderline Pro-Bowl caliber starter in 2010. That's more than adequate for a backup. The question to be asked, IMO, is whether the Patriots think they can get his head right.

 

[JackBauer]

You're looking for a backup. Cassel was a borderline Pro-Bowl caliber starter in 2010. That's more than adequate for a backup. The question to be asked, IMO, is whether the Patriots think they can get his head right.

True. But I think you also need to be looking for Brady's heir, whenever that time may come. I've always been a bit (perhaps) irrationally exuberant when it comes to Mallett, but I really like what he offers if he can get the mental aspect of the game down (I wholeheartedly reject the argument that he's not a fit for the system).

Now it may be that the coaching staff recognizes that Mallett doesn't/will never have what it takes to succeed in the NFL, in which case I agree he should be dealt. It could also be that the time horizons of Brady's eventual retirement and Mallett's ascension are mismatched, in which case he should also be dealt. But I think prudence dictates that we should be looking for someone who is a.) a capable backup and b.) eventually able to take over at the position once Brady is gone.

 

[Snake Eyes]

True. But I think you also need to be looking for Brady's heir, whenever that time may come. I've always been a bit (perhaps) irrationally exuberant when it comes to Mallett, but I really like what he offers if he can get the mental aspect of the game down (I wholeheartedly reject the argument that he's not a fit for the system).

Our ‘small ball’ offense is a complete mismatch for Mallett, short-range but very accurate passes are what we’re all about, Mallett has a cannon arm and LOVES to air it out, and has been very inconsistent in his accuracy, which is not surprising considering his inconsistent mechanics. He’d be a good fit for the Raiders, who have traditionally been all about launching it downfield, and they have the speed receivers to do it.

I want AJ McCarron, Brad Sorensen also seems interesting, but not Mallett, send him packing.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Carson Palmer is rumored to have played his last games as a Raider

 

[JackBauer]

Our ‘small ball’ offense is a complete mismatch for Mallett, short-range but very accurate passes are what we’re all about, Mallett has a cannon arm and LOVES to air it out, and has been very inconsistent in his accuracy, which is not surprising considering his inconsistent mechanics. He’d be a good fit for the Raiders, who have traditionally been all about launching it downfield, and they have the speed receivers to do it.

I want AJ McCarron, Brad Sorensen also seems interesting, but not Mallett, send him packing.

That's a product of who we have on the team. Not the system.

 

[Gronkandez]

Then another question is would the Patriots be happier with Mallet at $800K or a third/fourth pick plus Cassell at $5-6mm. I think the answer to that is no. A mid-round draft pick is not worth $5mm in cap space.

I would boycott the Patriots if they gave $6M to Matt freaking Cassell. No backup to Brady is worth that much, but especially not Matt freaking Cassell.

 

[Deus Irae]

...Then another question is would the Patriots be happier with Mallet at $800K or a third/fourth pick plus Cassell at $5-6mm. I think the answer to that is no. A mid-round draft pick is not worth $5mm in cap space...

Orton only got 3 for $10m. There's not much likelihood that Cassel's getting more $5m-$6m in the same role.

 

[Danger Zone]

True. But I think you also need to be looking for Brady's heir, whenever that time may come. I've always been a bit (perhaps) irrationally exuberant when it comes to Mallett, but I really like what he offers if he can get the mental aspect of the game down (I wholeheartedly reject the argument that he's not a fit for the system).

Now it may be that the coaching staff recognizes that Mallett doesn't/will never have what it takes to succeed in the NFL, in which case I agree he should be dealt. It could also be that the time horizons of Brady's eventual retirement and Mallett's ascension are mismatched, in which case he should also be dealt. But I think prudence dictates that we should be looking for someone who is a.) a capable backup and b.) eventually able to take over at the position once Brady is gone.

It still ticks me off that Polian and the Colts can mismanage an elite team with Peyton Manning on it so badly (while Belichick is receiving criticism for "wasting" picks on viable back-up quarterbacks) that the Colts are then rewarded for their bungling with perhaps one of the up and coming elite qb's of this generation... to say nothing of their lack of respect, loyalty or faith in their HoF quarterback of 14 years.

The Colts wont have to play the Who Replaces Our HoF Quarterback game.

And we will.

In this one case at least I dont like how incompetance is rewarded while being smart and consistently good is a perrineal handicap to overcome.

/sour grapes rant

 

[mgteich]

The issue is whether Cassel is ready to accept a long-term role as a backup. I would welcome either an extension for Mallett or a long-term year deal for Cassel. Either would take us through at least 2016. Either would be a reasonable backup for Brady.

You're looking for a backup. Cassel was a borderline Pro-Bowl caliber starter in 2010. That's more than adequate for a backup. The question to be asked, IMO, is whether the Patriots think they can get his head right.

 

[The Gr8est]

So reverse the question. What if something happened to Brady making him no longer able to play?

If Mallett was in a similar situation on another team with an established QB in front of him and we had a poor backup QB and were facing the current draft and FA options.

Would people think a #2 draft pick was too much to pay to get Mallett?

 

[RayClay]

The idea has merit. Tebow and Cassel should be available next year, so QBs that have worked with McDaniels could be brought in. You can take Kansas City off of your list though. I don't see any way that team's front office can sell another New England QB to the fan base.

Tebow? Tebow should be available every year. We're talking about a guy who couldn't compete for the Jets job.

 

[Snake Eyes]

That's a product of who we have on the team. Not the system.

Why would I want to go through the trouble of doing a big change-up of who we have on the team to suit Mallett? Cannon arm QBs usually stink because they often try to solve problems by forcing the ball. Also, a drive consisting of a greater number of short passes will do a better job of wearing down the defense than a few deep passes, which have a lower probability of completion.

 

[PatsDeb]

We need a competent back-up in the event the unthinkable happens and Brady goes down. We are able to fly with only 2 QBs on the roster for this reason. I don't see Mallett going anywhere, even if someone offers something pretty good for him, and why would they? He hasn't done anything (that anyone has seen, anyway).

 

[patsfaninpa]

Hoyer - UDFA
Mallett - highly rated 3rd rounder

Spot the difference. Not to mention the weakness of this years draft class. I mean there might be not even one franchise QB in this draft. Cassel will be available and we know he works in this system.

Mallett was drafted high in the 3rd round. He was actually a first round talent who had off of the field concerns. He was clearly better than; Gabbert, Locker and Ponder. He played better than those guys in college. And, he did it in the SEC. He's kept his nose clean for two years here. Pun intended. Even has gotten himself in better physical condition. Sleeker and more toned than he was coming out of Arkansas. Not sure he's going to be a good pro. I think he's better than the guys coming out this year and allows you to use your first on rebuilding your ol. Would like to see him get a shot though. I think Arizona would be the best spot for him. They suck at qb. He's got an all pro receiver in Fitzy. Doucet can play. If Michael Floyd gets his act together, that can be a nice troika. The knock on Kolb in Philly was that he checked off too soon. Didn't throw downfield. Was the same in Arizona. Ryan is more of a gun-slinger and will throw downfield and back defenses off of the LOS. They have a terrible OL too. Allows them to spend their 1st round pick on someone to block for him. I'd like to get a 2nd in this draft. With a conditional pick next year based on performance.

 

[MUFC7]

Mallett was drafted high in the 3rd round. He was actually a first round talent who had off of the field concerns. He was clearly better than; Gabbert, Locker and Ponder. He played better than those guys in college. And, he did it in the SEC. He's kept his nose clean for two years here. Pun intended. Even has gotten himself in better physical condition. Sleeker and more toned than he was coming out of Arkansas. Not sure he's going to be a good pro. I think he's better than the guys coming out this year and allows you to use your first on rebuilding your ol. Would like to see him get a shot though. I think Arizona would be the best spot for him. They suck at qb. He's got an all pro receiver in Fitzy. Doucet can play. If Michael Floyd gets his act together, that can be a nice troika. The knock on Kolb in Philly was that he checked off too soon. Didn't throw downfield. Was the same in Arizona. Ryan is more of a gun-slinger and will throw downfield and back defenses off of the LOS. They have a terrible OL too. Allows them to spend their 1st round pick on someone to block for him. I'd like to get a 2nd in this draft. With a conditional pick next year based on performance.

Arizona would be a perfect fit for him and Arizona could really use him in their system with the receiving core they have. Arizona is in a very poor situation regarding QBs. I highly doubt they take another QB high out of USC after the Leinart debacle and Geno Smith will be overdrafted by a team infront of them. Alex Smith could be an option or even Matt Flynn but as I pointed out many teams need a QB

 

[resdubwhite]

Hey.

Why not trade Brady?

We'd get a kings ransom!

 

[Off The Grid]

Tebow no.

Is there another word even more direct than no?

I'll take that word.

Ni!!