Trade up now or wait

[Ring 6]

Lance is still in play or it could be Mond.

Paying 3 1s to get the last choice of QBs who has never faced a player who will play in the nfl doesn’t excite me.
Mond in the draft is pretty much newton in free agency, ignoring the position

 

[Tony2046]

His fixing it so far had the GOAT end up in Tampa and Cam Newton STILL our starting QB.
Yup I wanted to trade for the best qb we could get and if it was a reclamation project draft one in the first round too.
because this is a critical problem. Absolutely nothing has been done to fix it.

He has not acquired numerous QBs who were available and instead bright back the same slug who proved he doesn’t belong and you can’t win with him last year. Is that what being calm and finding the guy is?
Now there is a draft loaded with QBs and he lets another team trade up to get one of them.

I don’t do well with seeing every capable QB go elsewhere, ending up with the worst QB in the NFL and losing again.

I love BB but he so far is totally screwing up this team by blatantly ignoring the most important spot on the field.

You've got to let go of the drama. Wow

Twenty years of the best QB/HC relationship the league has ever seen is now over. Six years longer than any other QB/HC relationship the league has ever seen and you want to act like a stood up Prom Queen willing to throw away her virginity to prove a point? That's freaking crazy.

Wentz?? Insane. One of the silliest suggestions I've seen on this forum and that thread probably should rank along with the "I don't care I can't stand it" threads. Congrats.

Cam is not the worst QB in the league. He was the QB who dealt with the worst circumstances possible in the league and he handled them just fine. Obviously he's not the QB for the next decade but he is perfect for what the need for right now. BB will find a suitable rookie but we have to be patient and let BB do what BB does which is not mortgaging the future of the team, which seems to be your specialty, by throwing three or four or five first round picks at a potential bust just because it's the draft and "we need a QB now!!!"

BB will find a QB and fortunately it won't be at your insane desperado terms.

Guaranteed BB is not ignoring any team need. What in the hell are you talking about? It's craziness.

 

[stcjones]

Its very clear we are drafting a QB. It’s also very likely we are trading up to do it.
I want that QB to be Justin Fields. Probably need to go to 4 to be sure.
Does it make more sense to do it early or wait until draft day? Will the price go up or down?
I think BB needs to approach this like he did Free Agency. He had a plan, he new what he needed, and he went out and got it right away.
I think he should be talking trades now up to 4th or 5th. One of the top 4 will be there at 5 so unless you hate one and need to go up higher your in position at 5, and of course you are at 4. Bb should be having long talks with Atlanta and Cincy and if the price is acceptable do it now.

BB will never trade up as a matter of fact don’t be shocked if he trades out of first....

 

[RIpats88]

How did waiting let the niners jump in. The highest we could move up was 4. Moving to 2 and 3 were out of the question. You have to be of the belief that 4 of the 5 qbs will work out before making that deal.

At least one of these QBs will be a bust, others might turn into Goff maybe one or two will be a star.

Every year it's the same with rookie QBs in the draft. The hype is huge and then reality sets in.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

You've got to let go of the drama. Wow

Twenty years of the best QB/HC relationship the league has ever seen is now over. Six years longer than any other QB/HC relationship the league has ever seen and you want to act like a stood up Prom Queen willing to throw away her virginity to prove a point? That's freaking crazy.

Wentz?? Insane. One of the silliest suggestions I've seen on this forum and that thread probably should rank along with the "I don't care I can't stand it" threads. Congrats.

Cam is not the worst QB in the league. He was the QB who dealt with the worst circumstances possible in the league and he handled them just fine. Obviously he's not the QB for the next decade but he is perfect for what the need for right now. BB will find a suitable rookie but we have to be patient and let BB do what BB does which is not mortgaging the future of the team, which seems to be your specialty, by throwing three or four or five first round picks at a potential bust just because it's the draft and "we need a QB now!!!"

BB will find a QB and fortunately it won't be at your insane desperado terms.

Guaranteed BB is not ignoring any team need. What in the hell are you talking about? It's craziness.

Paying the going rate to move up to 4 at this point would be straight out of the movie “Draft Day.” Or the Mike shanahan playbook of mortgaging the future for RG3. In Shannys case at least he drafted cousins later on just in case.

 

[VJCPatriot]

If the Patriots want to move up to #4 with the Falcons I expect it to cost #15 this year, #1 pick in 2022, Stephon Gilmore. plus a 2nd or 3rd round pick. The Falcons have the worst pass defense in the league, so adding at the very least a top 10 CB in Gilmore will make the Pats offer more attractive than just a draft pick package imo. It's a heavy price to pay but it might be worth it IF the guy the Pats wants slips to #4. I'm sure BB has talked to them and knows the general package needed to move up. Pats have a good relationship with Falcons front office. So if there is a deal to be made, I expect it can happen.

We really have to wait on what happens in the first 3 picks though. That will probably decide BB's move. If his guy is GONE by pick #4, we stay pat or even move down. If the guy is still on the board at #4, that's when you will see the big move up.

 

[Ring 6]

You've got to let go of the drama. Wow

[/QUOTE]
It’s not drama at all just how I see it

Twenty years of the best QB/HC relationship the league has ever seen is now over. Six years longer than any other QB/HC relationship the league has ever seen and you want to act like a stood up Prom Queen willing to throw away her virginity to prove a point? That's freaking crazy.

No I want to keep winning. We aren’t winning with a crappy QB

Wentz?? Insane. One of the silliest suggestions I've seen on this forum and that thread probably should rank along with the "I don't care I can't stand it" threads. Congrats.

Beats newton. And the colts agreed with me. I take that as a much more important evaluation of my idea than some guy posting on a message board.

Cam is not the worst QB in the league. He was the QB who dealt with the worst circumstances possible in the league and he handled them just fine.

whose spewing drama now? Worst circumstances in the league? So circumstances made him bounce 8 yard throws 5 yards short? He handled them fine? We were the 27th offense in the nfl and were 7-9. He was the biggest failure on that 7-9 team.

Obviously he's not the QB for the next decade but he is perfect for what the need for right now.

we need a an who sucks? We need to lose?

BB will find a suitable rookie but we have to be patient and let BB do what BB does which is not mortgaging the future of the team, which seems to be your specialty, by throwing three or four or five first round picks at a potential bust just because it's the draft and "we need a QB now!!!"

so we are going to pick the 7th or 12th best QB in the draft and pray for a miracle? We will never win if that’s the plan.

BB will find a QB and fortunately it won't be at your insane desperado terms.

How many good QBs on the last 10 years were not draft in the top half of the first round? Paying the price that it takes to get a QB is not insane or desperate it’s the market and it’s how you get one.

Guaranteed BB is not ignoring any team need. What in the hell are you talking about? It's craziness.

He absolutely has ignored the QB spot since last year. All he has done is bring in the worst QB in the league, the one no one else wanted, handed him the reigns, watched him suck and brought him back and so far has done nothing else. The 49ers did what they had to do. The Rams did. The colts did.
You can bury your head in he sand and say we don’t need to worry about QB because belichick will **** one out, but I see not just another season going down the tubes but a number of seasons because we are going to be right back here next year

 

[Ring 6]

BB will never trade up as a matter of fact don’t be shocked if he trades out of first....

He’s traded up before. He’s never needed a an before. I think he understands that when you have the worst QB in the nfl and every decent one will be gone before you pick you have to trade up.

 

[Ring 6]

That makes no sense at all.

You are literally setting us up for a huge bust.

It's nonsense.

Thank God you're not the GM.

So your argument is that 3 1s to draft a franchise QB is insane.

Our last 3 ones were
Nkeal Harry
Isaiah Wynn
Sony Michel

One starter who has missed 2/3s of the games in his career. Yeah we’d be screwed if we had a franchise QB instead of those guys.

in 3 of the past 5 years we didn’t have a 1st.
The 3 years before that were Malcolm Brown, Dominique Easley a case trade down to take Jamie Collins who we traded before his 3rd year was up.

Too bad we didn’t trade all of those picks up.

 

[Ring 6]

Paying the going rate to move up to 4 at this point would be straight out of the movie “Draft Day.” Or the Mike shanahan playbook of mortgaging the future for RG3. In Shannys case at least he drafted cousins later on just in case.

Look at our first round picks the last 8 years. I will be happy to mortgage that kind of future to get a qb.

here they are for the record.
2020 none traded down
2019 Nkeal Harry
2018 Isaiah wynn
Sony Michel.
2017 none traded to rent a week for a year
2016 none taken away
2015 Malcolm brown
2014 Dominique Easley
2013 none traded down

I would trade all 8 for a shot at a franchise QB. Is there anyone who rather have those 8 picks?

 

[RIpats88]

I hate using "bill hasn't traded up before" as an excuse. He also never spent big in free agency and he just gave out the most guaranteed money he has in 10 years.

How we operated in the brady era is not how we are going to operate now or in the future. If bill doesn't trade up for a QB it's not going to be because "he doesn't trade up"

It's going to be because there are too many QB needy teams and he doesn't see a guy he wants

 

[Tony2046]

It’s not drama at all just how I see it

You have been one of the most dramatic anti BB posters since Brady left. = Pink Hat

No I want to keep winning.

At all costs. You're the blueberry girl in Willie Wonka's chocolate factory. "I want it now"

Beats newton. And the colts agreed with me. I take that as a much more important evaluation of my idea than some guy posting on a message board.

That's one hell of an endorsement. Maybe they'll hang a banner in your honor.

whose spewing drama now? Worst circumstances in the league? So circumstances made him bounce 8 yard throws 5 yards short? He handled them fine? We were the 27th offense in the nfl and were 7-9. He was the biggest failure on that 7-9 team.

Nobody can honestly judge how well anyone did during a pandemic because it's the first time anyone has had dealt with it.

But your anti Cam and anti BB comments are on record. Your blueberry girl position is clear.

So when the Pats are hoisting their next Lombardi I expect you to just bow out.

we need a an who sucks? We need to lose?

I understand that your spell checker isn't working but how is your font size changing? Clearly you're rattled.

so we are going to pick the 7th or 12th best QB in the draft and pray for a miracle? We will never win if that’s the plan.

You don't even know which QB is ranked 1, 2, or 3 let alone 12th. That's hindsight BS. But mortgaging the future for an unknown is insane. It's literally a lottery ticket mentality.

How many good QBs on the last 10 years were not draft in the top half of the first round? Paying the price that it takes to get a QB is not insane or desperate it’s the market and it’s how you get one.

You tell me how many. Then tell me how much asset value they paid.

This year is expensive for a QB. Everyone wants one. Spending like a drunkin sailor during a seller's market is not the wise move. Get the best prospect while everyone else is chasing gold.

He absolutely has ignored the QB spot since last year. All he has done is bring in the worst QB in the league, the one no one else wanted, handed him the reigns, watched him suck and brought him back and so far has done nothing else. The 49ers did what they had to do. The Rams did. The colts did.
You can bury your head in he sand and say we don’t need to worry about QB because belichick will **** one out, but I see not just another season going down the tubes but a number of seasons because we are going to be right back here next year

So you're saying that the greatest coach of all time is ignoring the teams needs. Bullshyt.

You're taking the Colts decision making process over the Pats. Bullshyt.

What a bunch of Pink hat bullshyt.

In Bill I Trust. You obviously don't.

One down year after twenty great years and you turn into a little pink hat. **** that nonsense.

 

[Ollie]

Look at our first round picks the last 8 years. I will be happy to mortgage that kind of future to get a qb.

here they are for the record.
2020 none traded down
2019 Nkeal Harry
2018 Isaiah wynn
Sony Michel.
2017 none traded to rent a week for a year
2016 none taken away
2015 Malcolm brown
2014 Dominique Easley
2013 none traded down

I would trade all 8 for a shot at a franchise QB. Is there anyone who rather have those 8 picks?

I love how you are demonstrating that we should give away our first round picks as they are mostly misses to draft a first round pick who you are saying will end up as our franchise QB rather than the very real prospect that he will be a miss as well

I'm not sure trading away all those firsts to get the 4th best qb in the draft? Possibly Lance who has a lot of question marks over him. And that's even if they want to trade in the first place which they may not,

 

[imahobgoblin]

Look at our first round picks the last 8 years. I will be happy to mortgage that kind of future to get a qb.

here they are for the record.
2020 none traded down
2019 Nkeal Harry
2018 Isaiah wynn
Sony Michel.
2017 none traded to rent a week for a year
2016 none taken away
2015 Malcolm brown
2014 Dominique Easley
2013 none traded down

I would trade all 8 for a shot at a franchise QB. Is there anyone who rather have those 8 picks?

When you have 1,000 replies in a row because you are disagreeing with the whole forum, it is time to just shut up.

 

[Ring 6]

You have been one of the most dramatic anti BB posters since Brady left. = Pink Hat




At all costs. You're the blueberry girl in Willie Wonka's chocolate factory. "I want it now"

Best sign you know your argument sucks. Attack the person. Very low of you.

That's one hell of an endorsement. Maybe they'll hang a banner in your honor.

So we disagree and a professional football organization that is winning agrees with me. You act as if that makes you right. Again if you have no argument attack the person

Nobody can honestly judge how well anyone did during a pandemic because it's the first time anyone has had dealt with it.

But your anti Cam and anti BB comments are on record. Your blueberry girl position is clear.

Oh Jesus. The pandemic. What excuse comes next. Again no argument attack the person. Of course I am anti newton because he sucks. Anyone with eyes can see that. I am not and have never been anti BB. I don’t like the way he is handling the QB position.
Again attack the person.
So to you it’s agree with every decision, don’t think for yourself or it’s anti BB?

So when the Pats are hoisting their next Lombardi I expect you to just bow out.

oh you think a real fan agrees with everything and never has concerns that the team is handling something poorly? Sheep or hater?

I understand that your spell checker isn't working but how is your font size changing? Clearly you're rattled.

attack the person when you have a losing argument. Who is rattled? The guy who’s font changes because the font is different depending upon where you type after putting

Close quote (see what I did there) or the guy who is so rattled by the concept that instead of having a discussion he just writes a post with random as hominem insults toward the person instead of discussions that issue? That would be you.

You don't even know which QB is ranked 1, 2, or 3 let alone 12th. That's hindsight BS. But mortgaging the future for an unknown is insane. It's literally a lottery ticket mentality.

In your wish they are allowing all of the top QBs to be taken by other teams. You won’t answer my question about when that has worked. Because the answer makes your plan look stupid.
This is what QBs cost. You are like a homeless man living in the street because housing costs too much

but does it? Look back at our last 8 drafts. How is losing those picks mortgaging the future? That is the cost not done made up belief you have

You tell me how many. Then tell me how much asset value they paid.

This year is expensive for a QB. Everyone wants one. Spending like a drunkin sailor during a seller's market is not the wise move. Get the best prospect while everyone else is chasing gold.

You know how many.
Wvery year is expensive for a QB. Drunken sailor? The equivalent of Nkeal Harry Isaiah Wynn and Sony Michel? THAT is too much for you to solve the most important position on the field which currently is the worst in the NFL?

So you're saying that the greatest coach of all time is ignoring the teams needs. Bullshyt.

I’m not saying it, he has and you are asking him to continue to do so. I trust he isn’t don’t and you want him to be.

You're taking the Colts decision making process over the Pats. Bullshyt.

The went and got a QB. The Patriots haven’t. And I didn’t “take the colts decision making process over the Patriots”. You said the idea of signing Wentz was stupid. I pointed out professionals agree with me and you are a nobody who lacks football knowledge.
So far the Colts have handled the QB position better. I know this conflicts with your bowing at the belichick altar and needing to think everything he ever does is perfect but thinking for yourself once in a while would be good for you.
Here’s a little hint. Football teams make an enormous amount of decisions. They all make some right and some wrong. Belichick makes more right but still a lot wrong. You should factor that reality into hot blind hero worship.

What a bunch of Pink hat bullshyt.

In Bill I Trust. You obviously don't.

When you can’t argue the point attack the person. Seems to be the only arris in your quiver.
I have been more positive about belichick since he has come here than anyone except for people like you who believe you have to lie about his bad decision a d deify him. It’s ok to recognize he’s the best but he screws up too.
This is shaping up to be one of those screw ups.

One down year after twenty great years and you turn into a little pink hat. **** that nonsense.

One final beautiful attack the person because you have no argument
We won for 20 years so we are not allowed to have an opinion about year 22? Everything must be perfect or you aren’t a real fan?
Your entire argument consists of
1 attaching me personally because you have no argument and
2 Belichick did it so that makes it right.

From now on just post “bb is god he can do nothing wrong so this is right” and you save a lot of keystrokes.

 

[Ring 6]

I love how you are demonstrating that we should give away our first round picks as they are mostly misses to draft a first round pick who you are saying will end up as our franchise QB rather than the very real prospect that he will be a miss as well

I'm not sure trading away all those firsts to get the 4th best qb in the draft? Possibly Lance who has a lot of question marks over him. And that's even if they want to trade in the first place which they may not,

Nice twist. I am responding to the claim trading away those picks would destroy the franchise. It wouldn’t.

 

[Ring 6]

When you have 1,000 replies in a row because you are disagreeing with the whole forum, it is time to just shut up.

So there are like 4 people disagreeing and I have laid out facts to show why they are wrong. Yet people like you have no facts and because you have no facts you just sling insults. You are proving that you have no argument by making none and attacking the person rather than the argument. It’s pretty easy to see through.

 

[stcjones]

To me, there's only 2 sure-fire franchise qbs in this draft: Lawrence and Wilson.
Lawrence no chance and Wilson highly unlikely. If theres a way to get Wilson, I say do it.
The rest of the qbs are flawed.
I dont like Fields or Lance. Dont want a running qb. You won't win with them.
Im not crazy about Jones but Id take him in a heartbeat over Fields or Jones. Plus you might not need to give up as much to get him. He wont be there at 15.

“Don’t want a running QB. You won’t win with them”

Patrick Mahomes says Hi....

 

[stcjones]

Will the Pats be a good team with Cam as QB? I think so. Can they be a great team with a better QB? No doubt. Either need to get aggressive via trade or moving up in the draft. This roster is too good to squander

Cam is horrible. Give him more TC.... give him more reps.....doesn’t matter. He can’t make quick decisions and reads....will continue to take costly sacks and can’t make the throws (see in the dirt) consistently....time to give up on this pipe dream

 

[stcjones]

If BB thinks Lawrence is going to be a top 3 QB in the NFL for the next decade, then I’m all for going up to No1 but trading up to four before the draft is risky unless your are sure there are four outstanding QBs in the class.

BB could trade the Jags his boat, Linda, and the dog and all our draft picks and jags STILL wouldn’t trade away pick of Lawrence....