Patriots Injury News Thornton injury update

[pats99]

I reallly hate that everytime we are excited about a pass catcher something seems to happen.

Since i am serching for a silver lining in all this, it gives Lil'Jordan Humphrey a little better chance of making this team. Love this kid, big body uses it well to get physical, can see him doing some damage in slot in middle of field and in red zone.

 

[Triumph]

Except for David Patten in Buffalo. It worked out great though.

He got knocked out at the sideline and managed to hold on to the ball inbounds for a catch.

The 2001 team could not afford to lose a WR so going down to avoid contact did work out, but Andy Johnson is clueless as usual.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

It's usually someone falling on top of you (that causes the break)



Check out the hit on Romo that broke his collarbone, Baby Gronk missed his assignment and Romo got driven to the turf on his side.

 

[Pats2000]

To Thornton, may you heal as fast as your 40 time

 

[JMC00]

Since i am serching for a silver lining in all this, it gives Lil'Jordan Humphrey a little better chance of making this team. Love this kid, big body uses it well to get physical, can see him doing some damage in slot in middle of field and in red zone.

I think he was making the team regardless of Thornton. Showing up in the pass game. Showing up on ST. That gets you a roster spot.

 

[Grogan14]

When I hurt my shoulder my doctor said that you could hurt it by simply losing your balance and hitting a wall as you walk.

The team is deep at WR, but this really hurts because they desperately need a credible vertical threat to open up the middle. I guess it will have to be Agholor for now

 

[BTTA]

The team is deep at WR, but this really hurts because they desperately need a credible vertical threat to open up the middle. I guess it will have to be Agholor for now

Agholor is a credible vertical threat. Thornton is a constant vertical threat, in that literally no CB can keep up with him on a fly route given that they start out facing him.

I think they'll be fine; get the offense working with the veterans, which is what they were going to do anyway, then gradually insert Thornton into the lineup so that by December its a regular thing. To expect more than that for a Pats' rookie WR isn't realistic. Troy Brown was saying "he's got a lot to learn" and that's how they see it. He needs to learn all the roles and assignments and be dependable before getting regular playing time.

 

[Zuma]

He could put on some pounds (fat) in the next 30 days with the lack of exercise which might not hurt.

 

[TommyD4207]

He could put on some pounds (fat) in the next 30 days with the lack of exercise which might not hurt.

Where is the fat deposit that collects around the collarbone?

Oh wait.

If his leg snapped in half or something, maybe you could show me a correlation. Vince Wilfork could have the same injury if he got landed on wrong.

 

[Zuma]

Where is the fat deposit that collects around the collarbone?

Oh wait.

If his leg snapped in half or something, maybe you could show me a correlation. Vince Wilfork could have the same injury if he got landed on wrong.

I'm not referring to the collarbone injury...just that he will have some time to put on a little weight if he wanted to.

 

[BTTA]

I'm not referring to the collarbone injury...just that he will have some time to put on a little weight if he wanted to.

He doesn't need weight gained from being stationary.
He's never going to break 200 pounds. It'll be a struggle for a guy with that metabolism and build to put on 5 pounds of muscle, especially after an aggressive college weight program. Even professional body builders barely get 10 pounds of muscle in a year of focused work, unless using a steroid.
He is what he is. He needs to know when to go down and live for another day. He doesn't need to follow Edelman's model, who had an entirely different body type.

 

[Bill Lee]

 

[Zuma]

He doesn't need weight gained from being stationary.
He's never going to break 200 pounds. It'll be a struggle for a guy with that metabolism and build to put on 5 pounds of muscle, especially after an aggressive college weight program. Even professional body builders barely get 10 pounds of muscle in a year of focused work, unless using a steroid.
He is what he is. He needs to know when to go down and live for another day. He doesn't need to follow Edelman's model, who had an entirely different body type.

Agree. He won't ever reach 200 from 182...but 2-5 lbs of fat (I mentioned fat in my post) could be possible over the next 30-60 days if he wanted to.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

all good and interesting talk. 2 points.

1. as the above post explained. He HAS to be on the final 53, and THEN can be put on IR, and one guy can be gotten back. The risk of course is that perhaps the player they hope to get back gets claimed on waivers. 8/31 will be an interesting day all over the league.

2. I didn't see ONE clip from the media stating that Thronton has a broken collar bone. There has been a LOT of implying that he has one, AND he very well may. BUT nothing official.

But that doesn't change the fact that he won't be around for a few weeks at least and will likely get put on IR as soon as possible

Ken, I am not an expert, but as I look around, the 8-man designated to return list keeps coming up as this year's rule change.... and this dovetails with BB's apparent overstocking of skill positions:

You can now have up to 8 guys designated to return; it goes by how many "designations" you use, and you can do it up to twice per guy designated. All of them do have to miss 4 weeka. I might have glossed over a "1 returnee from camp" clause but I don't think so, since this all happens AFTER the 53-man cutdown.

So 8/31 will be busier than in the past, it appears.

Everybody here seems to be posting that only 1 guy can come back. This is in the presence of a new 8 designation world.

What I don't know is whether there is an additional 1-guy clause, or whether we are all remembering a 1-designee world, when we're now in an 8-designee world. So that's my first question, am I missing something special about 1 returnee from the IR out of the 8?

Or is that something they thought they would do but they're not doing?

"Coincidentally" we stockpiled at the mid levels (and you can hope that a Parker could have potential number 1 upside.) Then in the draft, swung for the fences. (Just at WR, which I'm focused on because of Thornton and Wilkerson).

If we are assuming 1 returnee and the rule is up to 8, that also might play (still inappropriately) into Bourne "lollygagging." It could conceivably explain why no mumbled slights of Bourne from BB. Camp, more than ever, might be for sorting through the new influx this year. Their respective behavior, as observed, could be explained partially by this change to the environment.

I think that in addition to our 53, we should all think about who and how many go to the eligible-to-return IR.

For guys under contract, it doesn't matter... does it? You have that guy's rights whether or not he is on the 53. It's cutting the guy that exposes him to other teams (sending a guy to the PS is just cutting him but giving him a side deal to play on the PS). But IR-ing him is not cutting him, that's why it's the IR. It just affects guys downstream.

If we want 3 designees right out of camp, for a day, we would really have 50 slots plus the 3 placeholders. It cuts into the 53 we could roster, but only for a day.

But as you point out, in this example, the 3 guys we would roster a day later are out in the cold for a day in JV Free Agency. Other teams can make offers to our PS guys, we can make offers to theirs.

So in our hypothetical case, if we stash 3 guys on IR, we might have to compete to sign guys to the 53. If we cut Humphrey for the day, for example, to keep our 4 previous NFL-readies (including Bourne here for argument), planning to sign him on the 31st, he could be on any other team by then.

Help me out here - does being under contract mean being on the 53, with the exception of the IR? In other words, you can't say "oh yeah if you play for anybody it'll be us but nah better luck next year, here's a million bucks to not play"... can you? I mean, obviously it's bad for the cap to do too much of that, but is that also a thing?

Then there's an eligible serving a suspension category. So maybe they should organize an end of training-camp strip club night for promising guys on the bubble.

 

[zipster9]

Not a good start for rookie WR. It may be a foreshadow of things to come...

But, Asante Samuel was not Hulk Hogan. He was thin as well....

 

[Family]

I haven't seen anyone mention, but Thornton seems to be similar to Terry Glenn in SOME ways.

Fast guy who nobody could cover when right, but probably will be out a lot during his career.

Thornton will be a difference maker to an already above average receiving crew.

 

[oldrover]

I reallly hate that everytime we are excited about a pass catcher something seems to happen.

 

[signbabybrady]

I haven't seen anyone mention, but Thornton seems to be similar to Terry Glenn in SOME ways.

Fast guy who nobody could cover when right, but probably will be out a lot during his career.

Thornton will be a difference maker to an already above average receiving crew.

Me and My brother were trying to come up with a comp the other day and I suggested she might be a good comparison.

 

[mikey m]

He doesn't need weight gained from being stationary.
He's never going to break 200 pounds. It'll be a struggle for a guy with that metabolism and build to put on 5 pounds of muscle, especially after an aggressive college weight program. Even professional body builders barely get 10 pounds of muscle in a year of focused work, unless using a steroid.
He is what he is. He needs to know when to go down and live for another day. He doesn't need to follow Edelman's model, who had an entirely different body type.

The good news is fast metabolism = fast healing rate. That collarbone should be good in about 45 minutes (these statements are based on zero research)

 

[lancerman]

The investigators said it's best to leave this one unsolved.