DRAFT DAY DISCUSSION The Official NFL Draft Day 2 thread

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

I now wonder this means for Carter and if additional FA vets will be brought in possible after cut down dates to further address the safety position. Despite today's round, I still hope more proven help will be brought in to shore up the safety rotation in addition to the expected signings of undrafted rookies at the position.

 

[Keyser Söze]

Has anyone taken Ta'amu yet?

 

[Ring 6]

That's two years running without a DE/DT. Can we start accepting that BB doesn't see the need there please. Been preaching this all draft season.

I don';t think its not seeing the need, I think its recognizing you cannot fill every need and using the draft to fill the ones that BPA allows.

 

[unoriginal]

It took ninko a while to get to where he is now. I don't think we will ask this guy to do that at 275 lbs.

I think the Pats will ask him to do everything and then put him on the field if he does any of it better than other people. Which this year is unlikely.

At 275 lbs. for a DE he's a developmental pick if he's going to be either the next Rob Ninkovich or the next Mike Wright. I think it's likely he's more Ninkovich than Mike Wright.

 

[Sfpat]

Carter couldnt make the team last year. Not sure why we would worry about him making it this year. He is a fringe guy.

Carter supposedly put on 20 lbs (of muscle ?) and the Pats gave him a large raise last year to prevent him from joining an active roster and thus stay on the PS. Sounds to me they must like him somewhat.

 

[Peteyboy]

These quotes are interesting about Bequette in Pro Football Weekly review

"Questionable toughness. Has an inflated self opinion that borders on ****y."

"Might be in for a rude awakening vs. NFL tackles, needs to get significantly stronger to survive relying on his linear, effort-based rush style and will have to show teammates and coaches he can be trusted not to freelance in search of sacks."

There is some other good stuff

 

[manxman2601]

I don';t think its not seeing the need, I think its recognizing you cannot fill every need and using the draft to fill the ones that BPA allows.

I think it's more that he doesn't see the need to reach on rotational players. I'm sure he'd take one who is very good but guys like Still and Reyes aren't upgrades on what we have. Plus, I think 3-4 is a thing of the past. It's sub and hybrid now.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Bequette the "Arkansas Tough Guy"

I have to say, while I'm O.K. with this pick and the first two, the Travon Wilson pick is so horrible, it ruined this draft for me. I keep reading, 'trust BB, he knows DBs better than us', but his history on drafting DBs actually makes me feel it's less likely that he knows more than everybody else in drafting Wilson. I'm also reading 'how do you know there were any takers to trade back with that pick', but if GB took our later 2nd Rd pick for a 3rd and a 5th, they would have taken this one for it. I'd have rather gotten two picks for the first 2nd Rd pick, and BB could have very likely drafted this undrafted free agent type safety in the 3rd Round, and still have had the second 2nd round pick.

Sorry to look at the glass as half empty, but you draft a 2nd Round pick in hopes of big things from the guy, and how many here can realistically say we will hit with Travon Wilson? I highly doubt it, which means BB yet again didn't hit on a 2nd Rd pick. Amazing! I'm very bummed, and again should be feeling good about adding 4 defensive players. It could be a very good draft, but it could have been absolutely great, and it won't be now.

Final Point: I've seen several comments online that, 'well they hit on Mankins and Vollmer when most didn't agree with the picks. The difference to me is after those picks we all did some digging and it gave us alot to be happy and hopeful about. I'm trying to dig on this guy and keep finding empty pages. Really Bill, you honestly couldn't take a chance on getting some value picks and getting this guy later? Is he really such a can't miss, that you HAD to draft him this high in the 2nd round?

 

[Ring 6]

Carter supposedly put on 20 lbs (of muscle ?) and the Pats gave him a large raise last year to prevent him from joining an active roster and thus stay on the PS. Sounds to me they must like him somewhat.

I'm sure they like his potential, but he couldn't make the team last year, so it seems odd to ask if drafting someone at his position means Carter may not have a spot on the team, since he didn't have one last year.

 

[JDot]

Loving our draft so far...

 

[State]

The second round picks are graded at nfl.com, and it's instructive to see TAYvon's rating of 48. The picks before and after are in the 84 range.

They certainly aren't sold on this tremendous reach. Maybe the scouting dept. of the Patriots has unearthed a guy absolutely no one else could see.

Unlikely but possible.

This is the 48th player taken? A guy who the coaches in his own league don't award as even an honorary all big ten player, even though he had been a long-time starter? things aren't adding up here.

The arrogance of Belichick is really coming through.

 

[Patriot Missile]

That's two years running without a DE/DT. Can we start accepting that BB doesn't see the need there please. Been preaching this all draft season.

We'll get a couple next year Manx.

 

[Urgent]

Bequette had more sacks last year than Jones, Hightower, and Wilson. In total.

 

[Sfpat]

The second round picks are graded at nfl.com, and it's instructive to see TAYvon's rating of 48. The picks before and after are in the 84 range.

They certainly aren't sold on this tremendous reach. Maybe the scouting dept. of the Patriots has unearthed a guy absolutely no one else could see.

Unlikely but possible.

This is the 48th player taken? A guy who the coaches in his own league don't award as even an honorary all big ten player, even though he had been a long-time starter? things aren't adding up here.

The arrogance of Belichick is really coming through.

He'll make the team only because Ventrone still has PS eligibility

 

[The Scrizz]

Carter supposedly put on 20 lbs (of muscle ?) and the Pats gave him a large raise last year to prevent him from joining an active roster and thus stay on the PS. Sounds to me they must like him somewhat.

I know right? Let's give the developmental types time to, you know, develop. Just because he didn't make the team last year means he's trash.

BB is building up some insane versatility in the front 7. I'm thinking we're going with a 1-6 front. Wilfork and 6 linebackers. God I love linebackers.

 

[DaBruinz]

But Fanene added.
If we play 34 we are thin at DE, with Fanene, Deaderick and who knows.
If we play 43 we are good at DE, but thin at DT, with Wilfork and who knows.
Equally troubling is that we are thin at the inside passrusher spot in the sub package.
I'm expecting some veterans brought in for depth and rotation.

Wilfork, Love, Deaderick, Pryor, and Fanene would be the DTs in the 4-3. Not sure how you could say the Pats would be thin there.

Fanene and Pryor are the inside pass rushers in the Nickle/Dime sub package.. If Pryor can stay healthy..In fact, when Fanene was signed, I can remember the pundits pointing out that 3rd down inside pass rush was one of Fanene's strong-suits.

 

[patchick]

At 275 lbs. for a DE he's a developmental pick if he's going to be either the next Rob Ninkovich or the next Mike Wright. I think it's likely he's more Ninkovich than Mike Wright.

I don't really see him as either. At 6' 4 1/2" 275 he's plenty bigger than Ninkovich (6'3" 260 coming out of college) and smaller than Wright (a 295-lb DT). Size-wise Bequette is Jarvis Green, but I see him as a bruising 4-3 DE, a poor man's Ryan Kerrigan.

 

[PATSNUTme]

The second round picks are graded at nfl.com, and it's instructive to see TAYvon's rating of 48. The picks before and after are in the 84 range.

They certainly aren't sold on this tremendous reach. Maybe the scouting dept. of the Patriots has unearthed a guy absolutely no one else could see.

Unlikely but possible.

This is the 48th player taken? A guy who the coaches in his own league don't award as even an honorary all big ten player, even though he had been a long-time starter? things aren't adding up here.

The arrogance of Belichick is really coming through.

Seems to be a lot of that going around tonight.

 

[ausbacker]

I have to say, while I'm O.K. with this pick and the first two, the Travon Wilson pick is so horrible, it ruined this draft for me. I keep reading, 'trust BB, he knows DBs better than us', but his history on drafting DBs actually makes me feel it's less likely that he knows more than everybody else in drafting Wilson. I'm also reading 'how do you know there were any takers to trade back with that pick', but if GB took our later 2nd Rd pick for a 3rd and a 5th, they would have taken this one for it. I'd have rather gotten two picks for the first 2nd Rd pick, and BB could have very likely drafted this undrafted free agent type safety in the 3rd Round, and still have had the second 2nd round pick.

Sorry to look at the glass as half empty, but you draft a 2nd Round pick in hopes of big things from the guy, and how many here can realistically say we will hit with Travon Wilson? I highly doubt it, which means BB yet again didn't hit on a 2nd Rd pick. Amazing! I'm very bummed, and again should be feeling good about adding 4 defensive players. It could be a very good draft, but it could have been absolutely great, and it won't be now.

Final Point: I've seen several comments online that, 'well they hit on Mankins and Vollmer when most didn't agree with the picks. The difference to me is after those picks we all did some digging and it gave us alot to be happy and hopeful about. I'm trying to dig on this guy and keep finding empty pages. Really Bill, you honestly couldn't take a chance on getting some value picks and getting this guy later? Is he really such a can't miss, that you HAD to draft him this high in the 2nd round?

The Patriots drafted a position in dire need. Whilst I'm not overly thrilled, I don't know enough about Wilson to make an informed comment on the decision. I'll be interested to hear BB's press conference.

The Patriots have serviced the needs the team had going into the draft. That's enough for a faux win for me at this point in time.

 

[Ring 6]

I have to say, while I'm O.K. with this pick and the first two, the Travon Wilson pick is so horrible, it ruined this draft for me. I keep reading, 'trust BB, he knows DBs better than us', but his history on drafting DBs actually makes me feel it's less likely that he knows more than everybody else in drafting Wilson. I'm also reading 'how do you know there were any takers to trade back with that pick', but if GB took our later 2nd Rd pick for a 3rd and a 5th, they would have taken this one for it. I'd have rather gotten two picks for the first 2nd Rd pick, and BB could have very likely drafted this undrafted free agent type safety in the 3rd Round, and still have had the second 2nd round pick.

Sorry to look at the glass as half empty, but you draft a 2nd Round pick in hopes of big things from the guy, and how many here can realistically say we will hit with Travon Wilson? I highly doubt it, which means BB yet again didn't hit on a 2nd Rd pick. Amazing! I'm very bummed, and again should be feeling good about adding 4 defensive players. It could be a very good draft, but it could have been absolutely great, and it won't be now.

Who knows. But seriously how can you get all worked up that BB might be a moron because a guy you know nothing about was not rated highly by a bunch of other guys you know nothing about?
If you could read a scouting report, you would look at mamy picks and say Who?
Not sure how you can convince yourself the guy who gets paid to write an article on a website for probably not much more than minimum wage is a genius?

Who knows, the pick could be crap. It appears a lot of people think that.
The problem is whether the pick is good or crap has nothing to do with who thinks what.
There are many reasons to scratch your head, but you have essentially said there is no chance the guy amounts to anything, and sound despondent over it.
Let it play out.