The McDaniels Effect... Passing Numbers up across the board

[40yrpatsfan]

Better coaching, better personnel, better blocking, better scheme, better everything… hard to attribute it all to one person. Vrabel gets a big nod because he assembled the staff and personnel. It’s a team sport and McDaniels was a good safe hire.

Josh was a GREAT hire in so many ways. He was safe in the sense that fans were very comfortable with it, a proven commodity which was pretty important given the past few years. But "safe" implies mediocrity, and McD brings a helluva lot more than that. He's been our OC for 14 years now over 3 tenures. He's imaginative, a great teacher, with an incredible amount of big-game experience (OC for 5 SB's and about 30 playoff games). That's pretty top tier. The only reasons we were able to get him were that he & his family live here, and his relationship with Vrabel.

 

[mgteich]

With 2 of the best ever at WR.
WE can't forget about that

You think that Josh and Cassell shouldn't get any credit because they had Welker (great year), Moss (OK year), Gaffney and nobody. Check out the rest of the roster, especially the DB's.

2008 New England Patriots season - Wikipedia

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Josh and Cassell went 11-5 with that roster. I think it a major re-write of history to think that Josh doesn't deserve major, major props for bringing that Offense to 11-5.

 

[BTTA]

Reading this thread is one of those "an hour of my life..." things.
There's data for the first four games. Make of it what you want. All of us have bias in that regard.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree.

The stats (and record) also show that we pointed in the right direction in 2021.

Why do people think NFL teams are on linear paths up to down? It’s just not how it works. What you did yesterday, as a player and especially as a collection of players has no impact on tomorrow. It’s competition. There is a guy trying to beat you on every play, and he doesn’t care what direction people think you are going in.
Teams get better or worse from play to play, drive to drive, quarter to quarter. It’s about execution and there is someone actively trying to prevent you from executing

 

[Brotherblues]

We’re all looking for signs to know whether the ship is pointed in the right direction. I think it is. The ship just hasn’t gone that far yet. This forum is all high highs and low lows.

I think we're watching something truly special with Maye. He's just different from all the rest. People want to pump the brakes for more data, fear of disappointment, ptsd from the recent years, whatever.

Not me. Something amazing is happening, and I'm going to enjoy every second.

 

[Ring 6]

I think we're watching something truly special with Maye. He's just different from all the rest. People want to pump the breaks for more data, fear of disappointment, ptsd from the recent years, whatever.

Not me. Something amazing is happening, and I'm going to enjoy every second.

I agree with you. The arm talent is exceptional. One of the biggest determinants of a qb is dropping back and rifling the 12-18 yard in cut. Many just can’t do it consistently but it is so essential in big games against good defenses.
Beyond that, you have a 2nd year guy who so clearly understands what he is supposed to be doing back there, and is so accurate that he is completing 74% of his passes in a league where the single season record is 74.4%
His running ability is excellent. And wait til he masters the concept of when to run and when to get down (he’s still indecisive there)

He is better now that my best hope of where he could be by now when he was drafted, and he’s going to keep getting better.

 

[VrabelJr]

I think we're watching something truly special with Maye. He's just different from all the rest. People want to pump the breaks for more data, fear of disappointment, ptsd from the recent years, whatever.

Not me. Something amazing is happening, and I'm going to enjoy every second.

All the power to ya! All in!

 

[maust]

I think we're watching something truly special with Maye. He's just different from all the rest. People want to pump the breaks for more data, fear of disappointment, ptsd from the recent years, whatever.

I can't speak for anyone else but I'm not pumping the brakes for more data, fearful of disappointment or struggling with PTSD from recent years. Forced to describe it I guess I'm sorta holding my breath while pinching myself. As someone that lived through the Sullivan/Kiam/Otis years I know how incredibly rare what we were blessed with at the QB position is, never mind getting a 20 year run. We wandered 40 years in the football God forsaken wilderness to be rewarded with that manna from football heaven.

As a realist, I think I'm suffering from a form of bated breath shocked disbelief. Is it really possible we've only had to stumble about for not even a handful of years to once again be blessed with QB excellence? It just doesn't seem realistic or even possible.
Seriously, what are the freakin' odds?

 

[signbabybrady]

I think we're watching something truly special with Maye. He's just different from all the rest. People want to pump the breaks for more data, fear of disappointment, ptsd from the recent years, whatever.

Not me. Something amazing is happening, and I'm going to enjoy every second.

Definitely don't pump the brakes. This kid looks good time to start enjoying the ride. Just how good can he be? It's not the deepest QB field right now so I think he's got as good a chance as any at being in the upper echelon. And most important he should get us back to competing at the level we've gotten spoiled with.

 

[TommyD4207]

That face reflects way too much inner contentment, Vrabel is obviously being too soft on these guys.

I can name 4 posters right now nodding unironically in agreement with you.

 

[maust]

I can name 4 posters right now nodding unironically in agreement with you.

You sir are a keen observer of the (sub)human condition

 

[Wozzy]

Josh was a GREAT hire in so many ways. He was safe in the sense that fans were very comfortable with it, a proven commodity which was pretty important given the past few years. But "safe" implies mediocrity, and McD brings a helluva lot more than that. He's been our OC for 14 years now over 3 tenures. He's imaginative, a great teacher, with an incredible amount of big-game experience (OC for 5 SB's and about 30 playoff games). That's pretty top tier. The only reasons we were able to get him were that he & his family live here, and his relationship with Vrabel.

I called him “good,” you said “mediocre,” not me.

 

[State]

I like his passing attack. Puts the secondary guys in a pickle. And he has a safety valve for Maye to release to when pressured. The failed head coach is a top shelf OC. What’s wrong with that?

 

[Jim Beankie]

Reading this thread is one of those "an hour of my life..." things.
There's data for the first four games. Make of it what you want. All of us have bias in that regard.

Isn't just the first 4 5 games though. There's 7-8 with Cam as the starter (all UDFA WRs for some games!). 10-7 with almost 4k yds with Mac as a rookie. The Cassel start. There was a drastic change to Maye's mental acuity from as late as the 1st quarter of Week 2. He almost seems like a completely different player to me - saying this as someone who will hopefully eat massive amounts of crow as a "Maye-be Not". We'll see over the next few games, but the polish achieved in such a short time seems miraculous. A lot of that has to be coaching/preparation.

Collinsworth alluded to it during the broadcast when he compared (loosely quoted?) McD working with Maye in TC like going back to Kindergarten when he was used to working with a PhD in TB12.

 

[ahmed]

LOL - You would think this place has learned a thing about giving credit to a coach for the QB's work but I guess not.

 

[JoeSixPat]

You think that Josh and Cassell shouldn't get any credit because they had Welker (great year), Moss (OK year), Gaffney and nobody. Check out the rest of the roster, especially the DB's.

2008 New England Patriots season - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Josh and Cassell went 11-5 with that roster. I think it a major re-write of history to think that Josh doesn't deserve major, major props for bringing that Offense to 11-5.

I actually think that Josh learned quite a bit from the mistake of over-using Welker and Moss in 2007 though.

With nearly every throw going to one of them, by the time we got to the SB there was little surprise involved in the offense.

I see him spreading the field in a big way now - the benefit of which is, when you need those yards for a first down, you're not limited to two double teamed players like Moss and Welker in a big moment.

Tough to blame Josh even for that after enduring 2006 where he only had Reche Caldwell, but I think today even if he had clones of Moss and Welker, it would be much more spread than in those seasons.

2006 was actually a pretty big accomplishment for Josh with that set of WRs and had they not choked against the Colts, might have even won the SB against Chicago that year. Credit to him for getting Maye in the habit of spreading the field and not relying on a binky or two.

 

[Pape]

LOL - You would think this place has learned a thing about giving credit to a coach for the QB's work but I guess not.

Its not about giving a coach credit for a QBs work. Never was. You have been Felgerized so badly you can no longer see that coaching does matter.

 

[ahmed]

Its not about giving a coach credit for a QBs work. Never was. You have been Felgerized so badly you can no longer see that coaching does matter.

I am not a local and do not watch him. You literally said the numbers are up because of his effect.

 

[Pape]

I am not a local and do not watch him. You literally said the numbers are up because of his effect.

I think I have heard enough... go back to living in the past in the TB vs BB threads... Have a nice day.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

LOL - You would think this place has learned a thing about giving credit to a coach for the QB's work but I guess not.

An argument that has not really been made is that McDaniels deserves much of credit for the Patriots offensive success during the Brady/Belichick years, starting in 2006 although he was also the QB coach prior to becoming OC. It wasn't just Brady.