The Drake Maye Discussion Thread

[PatsFan2]

If that happens we can all kiss the Patriots goodbye, because nothing is worse for a franchise than the owner making the football decisions. Maye is 20 years old, doesn’t know the offense yet, and their OL is one big question mark, so the idea of putting him out there is as stupid as it gets. .

Ian, I hate your take what if our young WRs are the real deal you want noodle arm Biscuit throwing to them?? I know I don't.

 

[KCSVEN]

I be didn’t say he couldn’t learn the offense, I said he hasn’t learned it. And I didn’t say anything about the offensive line being better with Brissett, I said it has many questions about it. I realize you don’t give a **** about any of these things, you just want him to start, but they could easily ruin him the same way the Jets and others have ruined many a young QB, by rushing them onto the field because their fans are so hard up for a win that they can’t restrain themselves, but I, and many others, think that’s a terrible idea, and none of your arguments to just throw him out there have changed that one bit.

I've already posted the analyses that showed Drake Maye would not be ruined by starting for a bad team.
There is really little evidence that QB's get "ruined" on any regular basis, based on analytical analyses.
It actually showed top 10 draft picks SHOULD start right away, especially on bad teams.
Unless you have some detailed analyses showing otherwise, I don't know why anyone would think this is an issue.

 

[PatsFan2]

He's 20 years old? He's not 20 years old, he'll be 22 when the season starts., same age as Stroud will be when the season starts. Same age a huge number of Qb's have been when they started like Manning, Herbert etc.

I don't get it? You think he can't learn the offense? How complicated you think it is? He learned a whole new offense last year and started day 1.

The OL will be better with Brissett? Does he scramble better than Maye, does he break tackles in the pocket better than Maye, does he make Mahomes-esque plays with guys around him?

Putting the best player out there is stupid? I don't see the logic to that thought and there is zero evidence anything you just said is a reason to not start Maye.

He's been Wrong before like all of us.

 

[sb1]

Ian, I hate your take what if our young WRs are the real deal you want noodle arm Biscuit throwing to them?? I know I don't.

Brissett doesn’t have a noodle arm it’s actually pretty good. But he plays it too safe to be a viable starter.

 

[Real fan 02]

Which is a horrible idea.

We will see my friend. If he sits, he sits, if he starts he starts.. I just want the best QB to play.

 

[Real fan 02]

Brissett doesn’t have a noodle arm it’s actually pretty good. But he plays it too safe to be a viable starter.

And can count on at least 1 INT per game.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I've already posted the analyses that showed Drake Maye would not be ruined by starting for a bad team.
There is really little evidence that QB's get "ruined" on any regular basis, based on analytical analyses.
It actually showed top 10 draft picks SHOULD start right away, especially on bad teams.
Unless you have some detailed analyses showing otherwise, I don't know why anyone would think this is an issue.

I have already given my views on why I think it’s a terrible idea. And since you have never seen Maye play in this offense, in the NFL, behind this line you have absolutely no “ data” to do your “ detailed analysis” with.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I agree that he is average at the very best and unlikely to carry us to wins on his back. This team is a much better fit for him than his previous teams though. He probably would have had better weapons elsewhere but dude is not a gunslinger so the lack of weapons here doesn’t really concern me. The 3 years he was a full time starter (2022, 2019, 2017) his defenses finished ranked 23rd, 26th, and 29th in points allowed. Wouldnt expect big numbers if hes a starter but With a better defense he might have more success record wise.

With the team looking to rely heavily on the run, the passing game doesn't need to be good, just efficient. If Brissett and the weapons can make the defense pay when they put 9 in the box, they will be successful. Brissett will fail badly if he is asked to air it out to erase a deficit. If asked to wing the game Maye will make some great plays negated by rookie mistakes. That is part of the development process. Even with a developing Maye this teams success depends on the defenses ability to allow the Pats to stay with the run oriented gameplan.

 

[KCSVEN]

I have already given my views on why I think it’s a terrible idea. And since you have never seen Maye play in this offense, in the NFL, behind this line you have absolutely no “ data” to do your “ detailed analysis” with.

Cool, I'm Pretty comfortable with the belief Maye will be better than Jacoby, we will see this season.

 

[Fuzz]

I have already given my views on why I think it’s a terrible idea. And since you have never seen Maye play in this offense, in the NFL, behind this line you have absolutely no “ data” to do your “ detailed analysis” with.

Not sure why we have to speak in absolutes without seeing them play. Whoever plays better in camp should start in week 1. Choosing to sit him no matter what is just as idiotic as choosing to start him no matter what.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

With the team looking to rely heavily on the run, the passing game doesn't need to be good, just efficient. If Brissett and the weapons can make the defense pay when they put 9 in the box. Brissett will fail badly if he is asked to air it out to erase a deficit. Maye will make some great plays negated by rookie mistakes. Even with a developing Maye this teams success depends on the defenses ability to allow the Pats to stay with the run oriented gameplan.

Everything will boil down to the OL. If its still a mess like the last 2 seasons, were looking at another brutal year. If the new OT’s work out and onwenu-andrews-sow remain strong we could suprise.

 

[TheRainMaker]

If he does that you can just kiss their future goodbye.

I think Bob and Jon have already been calling the shots this offseason. In fact, I think Bob has been itching to get back in the spotlight with Bill/Tom pushing him to the side.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I'm just in this here so I don't get fined.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Everything will boil down to the OL. If its still a mess like the last 2 seasons, were looking at another brutal year. If the new OT’s work out and onwenu-andrews-sow remain strong we could suprise.

You are right about the OL being the real success factor for an offense that protects the QB. The reality is that both Brissett and Maye will need a lot of support next year for different reasons.

 

[scott99]

My post will be about Drake Maye, not the Oline or Brissett. I may be in the minority, but I feel that Maye could wind up being the best QB from this class. I felt the same way about Justin Herbert. Herbert, though not having team success (yet), statistically he’s outplayed his QB class (Tua and Burrow drafted ahead of him).

Maye is just built different from QBs we’ve had the last 5 years. Excellent arm, excellent athlete, can do things physically that we haven’t seen here for a while, off scheduled stuff that we haven’t seen. He seems super confident, yet humble. Though Gronk like personality wise, he was a student athlete award winner at North Carolina, so he’s smart as well. I just really loved drafting Maye, it’s really up to him how good he’ll be, sky’s the limit. I hope his heart matches his talent and personality, I hope he hungers to be great.

 

[203Pat]

I quickly changed my mind on Mac Jones during his rookie season, but he wasn't set up to succeed in any way. He was an athletically limited QB and has been surrounding by the worst skill players in the NFL since 2019. In addition, he's had awful a horrible OL, horrible coaching and play designs, so it's not fair to put all the blame on him. As I've said in prior posts, I don't think Brissett sees the field.

I will admit I never liked Mac from the minute we picked him. My silver lining feeling at the time was "At least he can throw a football" after watching Cam for a year and Mac could barely even do that. I don't like Bama quarterbacks because they are playing with NFL talent and not ready to step into a team picking early in the draft. I do agree that Bill did him no favors between the the bad offensive line (and an O-line coach that went MIA), a DC as his OC, letting his favorite target walk, and surrounding him with JAG receivers.

Mac's ceiling is a backup quarterback. Even to reach that ceiling I think he needs to get much tougher mentally and have the right pieces around him. At least Jacoby has an NFL arm and knows how to prepare as an NFL quarterback. Brissett isn't great by any means. He seems to hesitate when there is a window and miss it. He doesn't handle the blitz well and he will resort to the occasional Mac back foot special. I don’t think he is a huge upgrade over Mac but at least he will bring the intangibles to the locker room instead of Mac's immaturity.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Maye should sit for at least the first 4-games. There is an "easier" stretch in the schedule with actual winnable games. Hopefully he gets a chance then. That's assuming the linemen who have never played LT pan out. Maybe starting by the Jax game?

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think Bob and Jon have already been calling the shots this offseason. In fact, I think Bob has been itching to get back in the spotlight with Bill/Tom pushing him to the side.

I think that’s understandable when a franchise is deciding on a GM and head coach, but once they are in place they need to be allowed to do their jobs.As difficult as it was for Cowboys fans to take Jerrah firing Landry and hiring Johnson it was the right move, and his best move as owner. It was when he couldn’t take Johnson getting the credit, and fired him that things headed south for Dallas. Switzer won a Lombardi with the team Johnson built, and they are closing in on 30 years without a Lombardi with Jones running things. And the same will happen here if the Krafts start thinking they should make football decisions.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Like Mac Jones, Maye should beat out Brissett. I think the Maye sitting plan will be thrown out window come pres-season. Brissett is a massive downgrade to Jones.

Unless JB is playing at a career level Maye will be starting by week 6 or sooner. If JB isn't playing at top 12ish level and Maye isn't starting. Then we should be worried. Traditionally rookie QB's always end up starting if the guy in front of them is mediocre-average. With few exceptions - Favre (Miller), McNair (Chandler) - these guys had very good/great qbs in front of them Rivers (Brees), Rodgers (Favre), Love (Rodgers). In the past 40 years or so theres been almost 80 1st RD QB drafted and only a handful passed under 100 attempts. Most are above. You have guys like Steve Young, Warner, Romo etc but if you're a young QB with a mediocre vet in front of you, you usually start.

We'll know immediately how capable Maye is is and where his potential is really at. I'm a big fan, him and Williams were the only guys I'd take that early. I think he'll be a good-great one.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Unless JB is playing at a career level Maye will be starting by week 6 or sooner. If JB isn't playing at top 12ish level and Maye isn't starting. Then we should be worried. Traditionally rookie QB's always end up starting if the guy in front of them is mediocre-average. With few exceptions - Favre (Miller), McNair (Chandler) - these guys had very good/great qbs in front of them Rivers (Brees), Rodgers (Favre), Love (Rodgers). In the past 40 years or so theres been almost 80 1st RD QB drafted and only a handful passed under 100 attempts. Most are above. You have guys like Steve Young, Warner, Romo etc but if you're a young QB with a mediocre vet in front of you, you usually start.

We'll know immediately how capable Maye is is and where his potential is really at. I'm a big fan, him and Williams were the only guys I'd take that early. I think he'll be a good-great one.

Maye should beat out a journeyman QB who is 18-30 as a starter. The only reason I'd give a pass if he doesn't play right away is because of what we've heard how "raw" he is and how bad this roster is - which it is. With that said, If Brissett ends up the starter, I don't think he'll be playing very long as there's a very good possibility they are 0-5 right out of the gate. That schedule is brutal for the entire season. Seahawks at home is their best best for their first W. I've never been a fan of Brissett and I think fans/media will be calling for his benching by week 3. The opinion that Maye is going to sit the entire season which many on this board have been saying are being unrealistic because of the examples you provided above.